KDC- 19 KitchenAide Dishwasher


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KDC- 19 KitchenAide Dishwasher - a classic

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Post# 336083 3/18/2009 at 03:22 (5,517 days old) by whalerpaul ()
Checkrate/Likes Classic KitchenAid stainless steel dishwasher Model kdc-19 in excellent working condition for sale in Berkeley, CA. Mfg date 1978-1980. Energy Saver 4 model. Strong 1/2 hp motor (vs 1/5hp on most dishwashers) is the same as used in the commercial dishwasher products. Stainless steel exterior and porcelain covered metal on interior... good for long life. Adjustable upper tray level makes for ease in loading bulky items in top or bottom. Sani-wash feature heats water to 160/180 degrees. Cosmetics very good! Guaranteed to work properly (I am not a dealer). Delivery possible. Pictures available on request.

Post# 336087 , Reply# 1 3/18/2009 at 03:31 (5,517 days old) by peteski50 (New York)
Checkrate/Likes *KDC19* My family had the KDS19 superba model. Very good dishwasher. These models only heated to 150 degrees in the 1st and last rinse utilizing 1400 watt heating and 700 watt heating in main wash with circulation. Their was no drying heater. The drying results were good as long as you used jetdry. If this model has a adjustable upper rack it must have been added. Because only the superba and pratrican had the adjustable upper rack on the 19 and 20 series. Real cool find. Peter

Post# 336101 , Reply# 2 3/18/2009 at 08:29 (5,517 days old) by soberleaf ()
Checkrate/Likes *looks like it needs a loving home* i have one of those models, also have the superba 19. have heard guys on this site refer to the 18-20 series as the "best dishwashers" kitchenaid ever made. some don't care for the 19 series due that it lacks a heated drying element but hey, it's still a kitchenaid classic and if someone really wanted to there is a heated drying unit (from an 18 model) on e bay right now for 20 bucks that could be put on this dishwasher. someone will snatch this baby up!

Post# 336162 , Reply# 3 3/18/2009 at 21:53 (5,517 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)
Checkrate/Likes *Careful, Fella! You can get burned!* You CANNOT just add the heated dryer from any other model to the 19 series! Reason number 1:There is inadequate wiring to carry the current for the 800 watt heater unit. Reason number 2:There is no "No Heat Dry" button. No heat dry dry was standard! So you will always have heated drying if you converted it. Reason number 3:The air diffuser used with the white plastic blower would melt if you tried to use it and it is integral to the mounting of the plastic blower. Reason number 4:You need to use a blower and diffuser from a 23 series machine in order for it to fit and seal the hole in the bottom of the dishwasher where the air comes from the blower Reason number 5:Not too much of a problem.. you need to use mounting screw from the old blower to plug the hole in the tank when you remove the plastic blower. Should I continue? Actually, the best reason for not doing it is that you didn't consult with Doctor Steve 1st! Some of you will remember that I DID convert my KDS19 to the hot air drying system and it worked fantastically well. The dry cycle is a bit on the long side for a Kitchenaid and the timer will pulse the blower on and off at certain intervals so you dont have that continuous drying like we are used to. In the 21 and up units with the circular elements above the sump and the plastic blowers, the heating element was pulsed on and off while the blower ran continuously. You can actually convert these units if you do it right and have all the right parts to do it. You will need a blower from the 23 series along with the complete air diffuser that goes in the corner of the tank. This blower and diffuser into which it fits has a smaller I.D. than the older units which had the diffuser as part of the bottom of the dishwasher. I used an older unit and crimped the metal to fit the diffuser and then sealed it with high temp silicone sealer underneath the machine. I added a 2 pole contactor which was energized by the original blower wiring and ran a separate L1 and L2 wire from the incoming power connection box to one side of the contactor for L1 and one for L2 and then ran wire to the blower unit itself. The heating element and fan motor are connected in parallel so make sure you dont accidentally forget to utilize the hi-temp saftey thermostat. When the timer called for the original blower to pulse on, the contactor energizes and then turns on the blower and heater simultaneously. You MUST do it this way because the factory wire for the plastic fan is like a 16 ga. wire and is too light to carry the 800 watt current. Like I said, I used an older style blower and made it fit, but you will have to get a diffuser from a 23 series and it whould be black in color. Because of these engineering issues and the liability issues as well, Hobart refused to offer a retrofit kit for the 19's. I had one irate customer who was so livid about how poorly the machine dried that they sent a field tech from Troy to her house in Rockaway Beach, NY along with the dealer rep to see just what the story was. Bottom line, the machine worked perfectly as it was designed to do. However, the install site was far outside the design parameters and the tank cooled off too fast. She had the machine under the counter, on an outside wall which was uninsulated and in a frame house of balloon construction. Typical construction in NYC when the house was built. It was also the dead of winter when she started screaming so there was nothing that could be done for her.There was just too much heat being robber from the tank! I suppose if she had waited and still complained, maybe she could have wrangled a 20 series out of them! But the 19 was the first real attempt at energy conservation whereby you could turn down your home hot water heater to 120 and let the dishmachine do the water heating for you. Is that really any different from what we have today? The only difference is every machine will now keep running when heating thus, the longer cycles. I always thought my 19 cleaned very well and with the dryer change it dried better than any other machine I ever had. Hope this helps!

Post# 336178 , Reply# 4 3/18/2009 at 23:23 (5,517 days old) by peteski50 (New York)
Checkrate/Likes *KD 19 series* Just remember if you use jetdry it will give good drying results. But I don't think the dispensor was a standard on the custom model, but you were able to add it as a option. In reality all the 19 models should have had the jetdry dispensor. Peter

Post# 336186 , Reply# 5 3/19/2009 at 00:17 (5,517 days old) by soberleaf ()
Checkrate/Likes *when there's a will* i say when there's a will, there's relatives! actually i am buying that drying unit off e bay tonite so i'll have an extra, only 20 bucks. but if anyone ever needs it i prob would sell it to em for the same 20.

Post# 336188 , Reply# 6 3/19/2009 at 00:20 (5,516 days old) by soberleaf ()
Checkrate/Likes *pretty panels* the front of that machine looks beautiful, stainless steel is always so classy looking. it really is a beauty, if you weren't in calif and if i didn't already have a 19 custom i would be very interested myself. how bout some pics of the inside?!

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