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1950 (?) GE top loading impeller dishwasher
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Post# 360840   7/1/2009 at 09:23 (3,400 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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I took a double take and my jaw dropped. It is in rough shape, but the element heats, and by directly powering the motor...it washed!




Post# 360841 , Reply# 1   7/1/2009 at 09:25 (3,400 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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Stainless steel racks, GE was not joking around when they built this thing.

Post# 360842 , Reply# 2   7/1/2009 at 09:27 (3,400 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        
Under the hood

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The front panel is missing, not too hard to change that. The mechanism is so simple, you can unplug the motor and directly power it.

Post# 360843 , Reply# 3   7/1/2009 at 09:28 (3,400 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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Perfect impeller

Post# 360845 , Reply# 4   7/1/2009 at 09:29 (3,400 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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It's Alive!

Post# 360848 , Reply# 5   7/1/2009 at 09:33 (3,400 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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This machine DOES NOT leak. Amazing. Unfortunately, it does not drain either, a common problem I hear. I added some water, plugged in the motor and woooosssshhh, that sound an impeller makes throwing the water with incredible force.

Post# 360849 , Reply# 6   7/1/2009 at 09:35 (3,400 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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Is this the month and year? Mod # BE100A16

Post# 360851 , Reply# 7   7/1/2009 at 09:37 (3,400 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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This "thingy" is a detergent dispenser, it mixes with incoming water. It appears a piece is missing that slid out to the side.

Post# 360856 , Reply# 8   7/1/2009 at 10:15 (3,400 days old) by turquoisedude (Ogden & St-Liboire (where??), QC, Canada)        
Wowee!

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Matt, that's a real oldie but goodie for sure! The GE impeller machines were really built like the proverbial brick sh.. er, schoolhouse!!
The reason the machine doesn't drain is probably because it's a gravity-drain model. I have some old literature on Hotpoint dishwashers that show how those work if you need it!
Also, the 'thingy' is actually an air gap, not a detergent dispenser. I do not believe there even was a detergent dispenser in the GE machines until the mid-50's!
Now the $64 000 question - what are going to do with this one??


Post# 360857 , Reply# 9   7/1/2009 at 10:18 (3,400 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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Yep, this is an automatic washer.

Post# 360859 , Reply# 10   7/1/2009 at 10:24 (3,400 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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I don't know what I'm going to do woth it. I might keep it, but I see my job primarily as finding machines for other people. I have a shop, I fix and sell appliances. I do not consider myself to be a collector. Someday I hope to put together my dream kitchen and laundry, but not now. I get a lot of satisfaction finding good homes for these amazing machines, which I consider a form of functional art. matt

Post# 360860 , Reply# 11   7/1/2009 at 10:30 (3,400 days old) by turquoisedude (Ogden & St-Liboire (where??), QC, Canada)        

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Well, I am on the trail of that estate sale dishwasher in Grands Rapids still... I might just have to do a road trip with a truck,so...
I think this would make a nice addition to my GE impeller dishwasher collection! Of course, I will be homeless 'cause hubby will throw my sorry arse out on the street, but what the heck!


Post# 360861 , Reply# 12   7/1/2009 at 10:30 (3,400 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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Oh, and thanks turquoisedude for the info, what exactly is an "air gap" for? It looks like a piece is missing, there is a pin holder in the "Thingy" that held something. As far as the drain, you are correct, it is just a gravity drain with a lift valve. The simplicity of this machnes is almost mind boggling.

Post# 360862 , Reply# 13   7/1/2009 at 10:34 (3,400 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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Bring hubby along! I just love visitors and so does my wife. she loves having company and cooking up a storm! You are welcome here anytime, no need to waste money on a hotel. matt

Post# 360865 , Reply# 14   7/1/2009 at 10:43 (3,400 days old) by turquoisedude (Ogden & St-Liboire (where??), QC, Canada)        

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The Air Gap was common in so many of the older appliances I guess because older plumbing systems were not all properly vented and it was possible that a direct connection to an appliance could result in water from the machine being siphoned back into the water supply lines, contaminating it. I read WAY too many old home handyperson books when I was a brat, I guess! There was probably a cover on the air gap. Mike (dishwashercrazy) will know that for sure!
Thank you so much for your kind offer! If I can convince hubby to make this trip, I would definitely take you up on that - I have a feeling that I would have too much fun looking around your store though! I will start buttering someone up tonight... lol!!


Post# 360912 , Reply# 15   7/1/2009 at 13:52 (3,399 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL)        

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Matt, You have a very nice machine there, and I'm so glad that it does not leak. The most prominent place these machines leak, is around the tub seal, where the tub sits inside the cabinet top frame, or in the Electric Sink case, the sink top. From the photos, I do see rust around the drain flange in the bottom of the tub. This will likely be the next problematic area.

The BE100 model is the stand-alone dishwasher version of the 100 series. The corresponding Electric Sink version had the model number SE100. The A16, if I understand what Iíve learned so far, indicates that this was the first Engineering version of the 100 model. Subsequent engineering versions would have been assigned perhaps a B16, or C16 designation (BE100A16, BE100B16, BE100C16). The February 1950 date that is stamped on your machine is the manufacture date, which does coincide with the date on my parts breakdown sheets for the BE100. The AE748 (drop-in), BE748 (stand-alone), and DE748 (Electric Sink) model series was produced in 1948-1949.

As the Motor/Timer/Drying Option configurations changed, the motor ďMechanismĒ was assigned different designations too. The pre-war Electric Sinks had Mechanism: S-1, S-2, S-3, S-4 and S-5. The post war Mechanisms were: S-6, S-7, S7G, S7H, S-47, S-470, S4700, S-8, S-10, S-10-1, S-10-2, S-10-3, S-11A, S12A, S12M3, S12N and so on. In the parts breakdown sheets, the S-10 Mechanism is associated with the BE100 and the SE100 models, and these dated sheets also correspond to the February 1950 date.

In the photo block, Iím showing the Chrome aerator cover removed from on top of the brass aerator from my 1949 SE748C16 Electric Sink/Dishwasher. Depending on the model year, G.E. made changes to these as well. So Iím not sure if you have a one-piece version, or a version which the chrome cover lifts off. And these pieces might also be fused/corroded together depending on the condition.

Iíve also shown the detergent cup which is mounted on the front wall of the wash tub. If itís still there, it should be a hinged door that closes forming a box for the detergent to be poured into. A cable connected to the timer mechanism is pulled, which opens the detergent cup at the beginning of the wash cycle. (Some models, like my 1948 and 1948 Electric Sinks, have the detergent cup cable connected to the cam follower drain valve lever Ė every time the lever drops into the slot on the cam to close the drain, it also pulls the cable to open the detergent cup.)

Iím also showing photos of the various ways GE dated both the Sink and the Dishwasher components (First the dates on the 1949 DE748, then the dates on the 1950 SE100).

Matt, if Paul does not, for some reason, take this BE100A16 machine for his collection, I certainly would love to add it to my growing GE Dishwasher collection!

Thanks for showing this great machine to us.

Mike


Post# 360931 , Reply# 16   7/1/2009 at 15:23 (3,399 days old) by soberleaf ()        
what a great find!

someone will grab that one for sure! if by chance you still have it when i make my next trip i will be interested but i'm not expecting it to last long!

and right now i've turned my attention to the frigidaire 1-18
quest! i've got all my dishwashers i bought from you running!

keep up the good work of finding those great old machines!


Post# 360970 , Reply# 17   7/1/2009 at 17:44 (3,399 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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Thanks for the info dishwashercrazy, I got the drain tube off, and it seems fine, just needs to be cleaned and oiled. I will post pics of the cams that operate off the door switch. They are a bit bound. But, all in all, the thing is in amazing shape mechanically, given the horrible exposure I'm sure it got. Pete, where are the pics of the Kelvinator? Did I miss them? Keep up the good work. matt

Post# 361063 , Reply# 18   7/1/2009 at 22:48 (3,399 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Thanks for the info, Mike - and the pictures!

Post# 361079 , Reply# 19   7/1/2009 at 23:32 (3,399 days old) by soberleaf ()        
matt, i did not post

the kelvinator yet. all i did was change the pump seal and fire it up. but you are right, it deserves a bit of the spotlight at some point in the future here, it's a great old d&m machine! once i get some time here i will take the pump and motor off to check for any sump rust and do a full post.

Post# 361190 , Reply# 20   7/2/2009 at 13:53 (3,398 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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here is the cam system off the door latch. They are not operating.

Post# 361353 , Reply# 21   7/3/2009 at 09:09 (3,398 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL)        

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Matt,

You should NOT put oil on the cables. If you try anything, Graphite powder would be the preferred product to use to lubricate the cables.

The Lid Opening cable is on the left. When the lid is closed, are you able, with your fingers to pull the left side of the lever down (moving the cable down), and open the lid by hand? Or is the cable frozen?

To date, I've not tackled this same problem of the lid not opening on my DE748A16. I have some information yet to read on the adjustment process of the lid mechanism, prior to tackling the project. It's just taken a low priority for now.

NOW would be a great time to locate a copy of the G.E. PRODUCT MAN books from 1947, 1948, 1949 and 1950. These are a compilation of the monthly service bulletins (see photo).

Perhaps we can talk by phone to discuss this all in greater detail. Email me at mikehaller@aol.com

Mike


Post# 361359 , Reply# 22   7/3/2009 at 09:55 (3,398 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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Thanks mike, I will definately take you up on your generous offer. Fortunately, the cams are not bound, they both operate, they just are not being activated by the door. I know some people like to restore to original condition, but this machine can be redone to work off of a modern timer, intake valve, and drain, and presto it is good to go. I don't know if I'll do this, but if there are no parts available for this machine (and I'm assuming there is not) I might have to. Or do some fabrication to keep it "original." Thank you, Thank you for all the info. This is a great site. Where else can you instantly find experts on such a rare machine. matt

Post# 361402 , Reply# 23   7/3/2009 at 14:34 (3,397 days old) by volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)        
GE Books.

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Do they cover just big appliances or do they cover fans too?

Fantastic dishwasher,
Dave


Post# 361425 , Reply# 24   7/3/2009 at 16:05 (3,397 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL)        

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Matt,

You are quite welcome. Since the cables do work, it would help me perhaps speak directly with you to fully understand the problem.

Mike



Dave, Thanks.

I only saw the GE Product Man Books that another collector had. I would love to have my own set of them. They covered the major appliances. When I was pouring through them, I don't remember seeing any information on Fans.

Mike


Post# 362865 , Reply# 25   7/9/2009 at 16:22 (3,391 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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anyone interested? Otherwise, it is my new parts washer! matt

Post# 362891 , Reply# 26   7/9/2009 at 20:15 (3,391 days old) by soberleaf ()        
seems like a beautiful old machine to me

what a shame to tear it up for parts! i would hold on to it as it is, like you say your job is to mate people with appliances, someone will surely grab that nostalgic old impeller machine!

patience my friend, patience!


Post# 362892 , Reply# 27   7/9/2009 at 20:20 (3,391 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL)        
Matt

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Per our phone conversation, I'm looking forward to a trip to Grand Rapids to pick up this GE Dishwasher, and adding it to my collection. Mike


Post# 362921 , Reply# 28   7/10/2009 at 05:36 (3,391 days old) by mikepaquette ()        
Paging everythingold

Your profile said you have 5 dishwashers ? What do you have & which is your favorite & dailey driver ? Thank You Mike

Post# 362942 , Reply# 29   7/10/2009 at 09:09 (3,391 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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Profile is old. I have about 15 dishwashers. Daily drivers change: KDR-66, KDI-19, and recently a Gaggenau that is actually pretty impressive.

Post# 363077 , Reply# 30   7/10/2009 at 20:37 (3,390 days old) by mikepaquette ()        
Is there such a dishwasher ?

Mobile Maid impeller wash roto rack ? That would have to be my all time favorite. WOW Mike

Post# 363096 , Reply# 31   7/10/2009 at 22:30 (3,390 days old) by soberleaf ()        
there is a modern maid

impeller dishwasher, i just bought it off matt (everythingold)
this year and found a new impeller for it from larry at modern parts house, cleveland. i rebuilt it and it sounds like a cyclone inside!

it is a d&m model and i even have it listed in the d&m repair manual i also bought from larry. it has a top rotorack and is very quaint looking.


Post# 363175 , Reply# 32   7/11/2009 at 10:12 (3,390 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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Dishwashercrazy has a rotorack with a bottom AND top spray arm! Never seen that.

Post# 363294 , Reply# 33   7/11/2009 at 18:52 (3,389 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL)        
Please let me clarify......

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With my apologies to Matt, please let me clarify.

The Sears Kenmore "600" Automatic Portable Dishwasher With Exclusive Roto-Rack Two Level Wash that I acquired 3rd hand in 1970 was an impeller machine with a middle spray tube.

Here are a couple of scans of the Owner's manual. On this first page is a diagram of the two-level wash action.

Mike


Post# 363295 , Reply# 34   7/11/2009 at 18:54 (3,389 days old) by dishwashercrazy (West Peoria, IL)        

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This page includes a partial photograph of the machine itself.



Post# 363418 , Reply# 35   7/12/2009 at 12:24 (3,389 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan)        

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Amazing!

Post# 973072 , Reply# 36   12/11/2017 at 17:50 (314 days old) by leota529 (Kalamazoo, MI)        
I have the same dishwasher!

Hi! I have this same dishwasher and am looking for a new home for it. We bought an older home and everything was maintained wonderfully. I have not had any luck finding someone to buy this, and I REALLY do not want to scrap it. It was still running until we took it out, and I have the intact manual to go with it. Any advice on how best to sell this? Ebay, perhaps?

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