Thread Number: 283
The Forbidden to see Hydro-Sweep EXPOSED! |
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Post# 46998   10/14/2004 at 19:07 (7,105 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Well I took a little break from working on the Kelvinator to finish up my Forbiden-Cycle Plexiglass project for my KD-15 KitchenAid Dishwasher... Yay for Plexiglass... Installed in Door... Starting to Fill... The Pressure is Building... Full Washing Power!... And since I know you guys and gals are just dying to see this live, I made a video for all to see, right click and save target as (4mb)... Hydro-Sweep EXPOSED |
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Post# 46999 , Reply# 1   10/14/2004 at 19:30 (7,105 days old) by jmirawm (Barling Arkansas)   |   | |
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I am so Excited !! I have not saw the video yet, but just know it is gonna be FRIGGIN FABOU !!!!! Robert you are the best....... THANKS !!!!! Tom |
Post# 47001 , Reply# 2   10/14/2004 at 20:24 (7,105 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 47006 , Reply# 4   10/14/2004 at 21:45 (7,105 days old) by Gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)   |   | |
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That is really awesome! How did you rig the light? I need the dimensions so I can do the same thing with mine! Must be great fun to watch. Thanks for the photos! -Steve |
Post# 47007 , Reply# 5   10/14/2004 at 22:34 (7,105 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Thanks everyone, I’m glad you enjoyed the video. Brent I can’t take credit for cutting this Plexiglas door myself. I did make two attempts at first and both ended up to be a disaster. Lets just say after I tried each one I had a very clean kitchen floor after mopping up the mess. So I decided to go to Target and buy a big piece of poster board and cut out a template in the exact shape of the interior of the dishwasher well. I took the cutout to “Idyllic Acrylics” and they cut a perfect clear door and extruded it out one inch so it would clear the racks as they stick out of the well about 3/4”. Steve, I rigged up the light using a rubber weather proof light socket and a coated 75 watt “Tuff-Bulb” both of which are available at Home Depot. Here is a shot doing the first real load of dishes tonight. After the two pre-rinse cycles I pulled the door open just enough to pop in an Electrosol Gel-Pac. |
Post# 47014 , Reply# 7   10/15/2004 at 01:50 (7,105 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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Post# 47018 , Reply# 9   10/15/2004 at 03:39 (7,105 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 47021 , Reply# 10   10/15/2004 at 07:03 (7,104 days old) by agiflow-action ()   |   | |
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Robert thanks, I always wanted to see or hear a KA dw with 4 way wash arm in action, thanks again. |
Post# 47023 , Reply# 11   10/15/2004 at 08:46 (7,104 days old) by jaxsunst ()   |   | |
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Robert, you amaze me. Where do you find the time to do all of this? |
Post# 47027 , Reply# 12   10/15/2004 at 11:11 (7,104 days old) by i70sn80sguy ()   |   | |
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the light, such detail. Excellent job. |
Post# 47028 , Reply# 13   10/15/2004 at 11:16 (7,104 days old) by golittlesport (California)   |   | |
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Post# 47029 , Reply# 14   10/15/2004 at 12:22 (7,104 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Post# 47030 , Reply# 15   10/15/2004 at 12:41 (7,104 days old) by gregm ()   |   | |
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way cool, thanks for your time and effort in sharing ...... |
Post# 47032 , Reply# 16   10/15/2004 at 14:02 (7,104 days old) by maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)   |   | |
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Thanks, Robert! This is even more interesting than the Apex, and that was cool. |
Post# 47033 , Reply# 17   10/15/2004 at 14:07 (7,104 days old) by steve1-18 (Grovetown (Augusta), GA)   |   | |
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Great video. I was surprised to see how slow the wash-arm turned. I always pictured it spinning faster (more like a lawn sprinkler.) Steve1-18 |
Post# 47035 , Reply# 19   10/15/2004 at 14:45 (7,104 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 47040 , Reply# 20   10/15/2004 at 16:38 (7,104 days old) by laundramatt (Youngstown, Ohio)   |   | |
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Great video Robert, It would be fun if you made to see a video where you put about a cup of Tide in there....just as an experiment, you know?... |
Post# 47071 , Reply# 21   10/15/2004 at 21:24 (7,104 days old) by maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)   |   | |
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Robert, you told how you did it with the all weather socket, and severe service bulb. How is it switched? Is it on all the time the machine is on? I think a light in a dishwasher is (all puns fully intended), a brilliant idea. |
Post# 47077 , Reply# 22   10/15/2004 at 21:51 (7,104 days old) by drmitch ()   |   | |
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Now if we could just add winshield wipers---------! |
Post# 47079 , Reply# 23   10/15/2004 at 22:17 (7,104 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 47086 , Reply# 24   10/15/2004 at 23:56 (7,104 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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I've been reading the manuals for some of the KA models lately and found some interesting stats. Here's a bit of a summary for those interested in wash arm water volume and jet velocity, and some KA/Hobart milestones in the domestic lines. KD-10 10/49 - 4/55 Cast Iron wash arm 40 gpm at 60 rpm KD-11 4/55 - 4/57 Cast Iron wash arm 40 gpm at 60 rpm KD-12 4/57 - 8/60 Improvements to rack designs, wash systems same as prev. KD-14 8/60 - 12/64 Same stats for washing systems but now 3 models in this series with updated look for new "Superba" and "Imperial" models. KD-15 12/64 - 3/68 HydroSweep wash arm 40 gpm at 52 rpm sani-cycle on Superba w/180F final rinse. All models have pump drains standard. KD-16 3/68 - 5/71 Same washing stats but more cycles added and later in the series, the first Soak cycle and Party Cycles are offered. KD-17 5/71 - 7/76 HydroSweep arm; 40 gpm at 45 rpm, 10 psi at each jet with constant rinse at top of tank. 16 position upper rack which was removable for washing very large items KD-18 7/76 - 7/79 3 level wash system; first 50 gpm pump delivers 32 gpm to HydroSweep arm, 16 gpm to center arm, both moving at 35 rpm in opposing directions and 2 gpm to constant rinse above upper rack. "Patrician" model intro'd. KD-19 7/79 - 2/81 Infamous Energy Saver system; 150F heated cycles but no heated drying. Improved center wash arm to reach corners of upper rack. KD-20 2/81 - 3/84 Heated drying returns! Sani-cycle has 165F final rinse temp. Sure-Temp heats the first fill and during any phase using detergent. KD-21 3/84 - 86-87? Major pump improvements, true waste disposal system, 7 decibels quieter than KD-17 series machines. |
Post# 47114 , Reply# 26   10/16/2004 at 08:11 (7,103 days old) by parunner58 (Davenport, FL)   |   | |
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Hi, When did KA remove the "constant rinse above upper rack" To me that was a very stupid mistake. We bought an Energy saver Superba in 1983 and it did was exceptionaly well but we would get as we called sand stuck in some of the concave bottoms of things in the upper rack. But as you said they were built like trucks. In 1997 when the motor burned out we decided not te replace it with another very exspensive but cheaply built KA. SOn't laugh but we bought a Frigidaire Gallery and it actually does a far superior job at wahing Mike |
Post# 47121 , Reply# 28   10/16/2004 at 10:13 (7,103 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 47122 , Reply# 29   10/16/2004 at 10:22 (7,103 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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My mom had the kds 19 series (KD-19 7/79 - 2/81 Infamous Energy Saver system; 150F heated cycles but no heated drying. Improved center wash arm to reach corners of upper rack.) In fact only 4 months ago she replaced it. Cleaned very well but cycle time long. If you didn't use jetdry the drying performance wasen't great. They could have done a better job with the design and long water heating pauses. But todays machines run a long time also. She now has GE tall tub like myself and likes the DW - but states that the KA was built like a tank. And yes where ever you go you cannot get a solid built DW like that. It's sad that the newer KA's are not great performers! Peter |
Post# 47166 , Reply# 32   10/16/2004 at 19:21 (7,103 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)   |   | |
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My father had a Frigidaire dishwasher and I hated it from day one!!! Very hard to load, never clean pots and pans well on the top rack! Screws was coming loose off the door all the time and what broke the camels back was when the heating element burned a hole through the tub while it wash washing dishes! Here's the proof..... In my book, Figidaire will never get another dollar out of me unless they bring the 1-18 back! CLICK HERE TO GO TO CleanteamofNY's LINK |
Post# 47300 , Reply# 33   10/18/2004 at 09:19 (7,101 days old) by deeptub (Carbondale, IL)   |   | |
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It's cool to have the actual dates for the various KA series. I only had the ads in National Geographic to go by for rough estimates. (When I was 14, I'm sure nobody believed that I was leafing through old National Geographics for the KitchenAid ads.) My parents got their 21-series in July 1988 (from Petropoulos Brothers in Waukegan IL if anyone remembers them) so they were made at least until then. Whirlpool had bought KA by then so its model number is KUDS21MS0. I believe it was the first WhisperQuiet model--fairly noisy by today's standards (noisy, but not loud, if that makes any sense). I remember seeing a 22-series at Petropoulos before they went out of business which was the summer of 1989, so the 21 series must have been made until somewhere in late 88-early 89. The 20 and 21 series were fairly efficient for the day (even compared to some of today's models). The Normal cycle on the 21 series is only 4 fills (prewash/rinse/wash/rinse) and I believe 8.5 gallons total. T. |
Post# 47436 , Reply# 35   10/19/2004 at 20:59 (7,100 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Robert, thank you for the video. I finally got to view it at work today. Steve-1-18, the revolution speed of the wash arm was about what I expected given I'd sit with my head against the front panel of a KA and listen to how often that one arm with the jets closest to the door would pass by. My parents were so embarassed when I'd sit in front of a running dishwasher.
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Post# 47438 , Reply# 36   10/19/2004 at 21:51 (7,100 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 47621 , Reply# 37   10/22/2004 at 19:41 (7,097 days old) by jmirawm (Barling Arkansas)   |   | |
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I was watching the video again tonight. I was wondering, when they introduced the hydro-sweep wash arm, if they were able to shorten the cycle times. Since there was double the water spray and about the same rpm's ? |