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Post# 80171 , Reply# 1 8/25/2005 at 00:21 (6,819 days old) by appnut  (TX) |
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Dan 1) hot water 2) depends upon local code, in houston I had to, here I don't see it at all 3) I"m sorry to say, I don't want ya to be siappointed, Maytags aren't what they used to be. everyone has their favorites. But I would caution everyone on the club, if you really don't have up-to-date knowledge on modern dishwashers, please don't try & recommend something made even 5years ago, not the same machines. HOw mucgh r u willing to spend? Of any of the WP brands, the Kenmore is consistently rated as high as Bosch--has something to do with spray arm design vs. the WP & KA labels./brands. A couple here have been very pleased with their GE tall tubs too. And the DishDrawers. High end Askos are good, some have forced air drying. Bosch uses condenser drying, no heating elements. And same with most Mieles. Dan, it just depends on what ya wanna spend. 4) Most high-end models have just about any "feature" on the market today. I actually can't think of anythihng that's a "must-have" for me and I love modern dishwashers. Now it will be intersting to see what we have to say here henceforth. Bob | ||
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Post# 80174 , Reply# 2 8/25/2005 at 00:47 (6,819 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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To continue from Bob's advice, some dishwashers CAN be connected to cold water, those that have assured water heating, but it's optional and results in longer cycle times to allow for heating to the target temp. A few of the Euro-style machines that have lower-temp cycles for crystal and delicate items work best with cold water so they can heat to the specific temp of the cycle. The incoming hot water may otherwise already be higher than the target temp, negating the purpose of the lower-temp cycle. As discussed on THS (ThatHomeSite.com) a few of the Euro-style models (Miele and Bosch), I forget which models exactly, supposedly use a condensation drying system that pretty much requires a cold water connection. If I understand correctly, drying works by cooling the outside of the tank with cold water to condense moisture off the hot dishes (hot from the final rinse water) where it's drained away. The cold-water cooling is likely only an intermittent trickle or spray, not like the vintage combo washer/dryers with condensation drying that may run a gal/min. | ||
| Post# 80175 , Reply# 3 8/25/2005 at 00:51 (6,819 days old) by kenmore1978 () | ||
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new DW take a sampling of what you are going to be washing and check the loading on each machine. Friend of mine just bought a new DW and was surprised that he had difficulty finding a machine that still the the "Rinse Only" cycle. | ||
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Post# 80183 , Reply# 4 8/25/2005 at 01:45 (6,819 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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Dan, right now I'm in the Miele camp. I waited and waited till the day I could get one.. then we moved to the country and this house had the bottom of the bol GE dw and I had to make do with that, the plastic interior looked like those yellow ceilings in Toggles picture after about 6 months and I couldn't remove the rust stains no way.. That was enough to toss it out and get a SS diswhasher and so came home the Miele. Stainless and extreme quietness were the most important deciding factor because our house is open. Great machine, excellent washer, no pre rinsing EVER, mine has forced air drying they call TurboThermic, hidden water heater element, built in water softner and it's just so quiet you can't hear it washing.. We got their lowest cost model, except for the turbothermic feature..3 wash cycles, rinse'n'hold, etc.. Some people gripe, well you have to clean the filter..hardly ever and it takes 20 seconds at the most to lift it out and rinse it under the tap. Well worth it for virtual diwshwashing silence. Mom on the other hand bought a Whirpool Quiet Wash II, plastic interior but she has bleached city water so no staining.. it works very well, she's very happy with it and it's not that noisy but her kitchen is removed from the den and livingroom. It would distract me in my house though but not near like the GE did or our older WP in the previous house. | ||
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Post# 80184 , Reply# 5 8/25/2005 at 01:56 (6,819 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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Post# 80202 , Reply# 6 8/25/2005 at 07:35 (6,819 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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IMHO: Here is what is essential.. Maytag makes a decent enough machine, but the silverware basket in the middle (L to R) of the front of the lower basket is the absolute worse place. Kills ability to load two large pots in a "lazy" emergency.. LOL I much prefer it in the front or to the side. SO that said. I'd look for: Flat, sqaure easy-to-load racks (compare WP to Maytag) Placement of silverware basket No tower or cutouts on the bottom Mechanical timers, not electronic (this is the tough one) SS interior (nice but no biggie) [cool dry avoids stains in plastic] Easy to use "Rinse only" So in summary, fitting toggles ctieria are: The BOL Bosch The WP/KA series Ffrigidaire. GE tall/tub- some models (they are water hogs but do a very nice job.) As we have said countless times EVERYONE is entitled to Toggle's opinion. GOOD LUCK! Let us know "where" you land! | ||
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Post# 80203 , Reply# 7 8/25/2005 at 07:36 (6,819 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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| Post# 80214 , Reply# 8 8/25/2005 at 08:03 (6,819 days old) by runematic (southcentral pa) | ||
Some Maytags have a split-n-fit silverware basket, so you can seperate it and make more room. I sell a ton of 'em. Decent machine since they got the motor/impeller situation taken care of. I got a brand new s.s. GE TOL dw given to me (from a local bigbox store) because the door hinges were welded wrong from the factory. I fixed it & installed it at home to try it out & compare it to the Maytags I sell. Very quiet. BUT I HATE IT! It doesn't wash clean, and YOU CAN'T LOAD VERY MUCH IN IT! THE WORST RACKING SYSTEM OUT THERE. I should have stayed with the Maytag.
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Post# 80215 , Reply# 9 8/25/2005 at 08:05 (6,819 days old) by parunner58 (Davenport, FL) |
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Dan, I agree with Bob, Maytags are not the same. My sister bought MOL one two years ago and they are now having electrical trouble with it. It just stops in mid cycle. I had one of the last Hobart made KA Supberba's and I miss it, I think we got saw dust in the motor and killed it when it was 13-14 years old. I have a TOL Frigidaire Gallery but they did not come with the stainless interior, it is silent, washers great but now that it is older the tub is disolored and we have the bleached out city water. My other sister has a Bosch and thiers is a great performer. I think when we need a new one I may opt for Bosch, Miele, or F&P Dish Drawer. Mike | ||
| Post# 80220 , Reply# 10 8/25/2005 at 08:20 (6,819 days old) by veg-o-matic (Baltimore, Hon!) | ||
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I have a BOL Roper that I absolutely love. Got rid of a crappyass GE machine that never got anything clean. Only problem with the Roper is that the silverware basket is much too small. I was going to get a bigger WP one from a parts store when I ran across one at the Goodwill for .50. I NEVER pre-rinse. Just lazy that way; I figure the dishwasher is supposed to handle that. veg | ||
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Post# 80245 , Reply# 12 8/25/2005 at 12:48 (6,819 days old) by dalangdon (Seattle, WA) |
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Thanks! Wow, thanks for all the replies! As far as price goes, I'm happy to spend money on quality, but not on labels. I don't need a "Glam Brand" if something a bit more mundane (Kenmore, GE, etc) can do the job just as well :-) | ||
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Post# 80269 , Reply# 14 8/25/2005 at 15:05 (6,819 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia) |
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Pic 2 - Bottom Rack The lower rack 
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Post# 80270 , Reply# 15 8/25/2005 at 15:06 (6,819 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia) |
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Pic 3 - Upper Rack The Upper Rack 
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Post# 80271 , Reply# 16 8/25/2005 at 15:07 (6,819 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia) |
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Cuttlery Tray The very top 
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Post# 80304 , Reply# 17 8/25/2005 at 20:53 (6,818 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Post# 80369 , Reply# 19 8/26/2005 at 00:17 (6,818 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia) |
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Spray Arms There is a full size spray arm in the top of the cabinet. The bottom spray arm is plastic with a SS Cover. The middle arm is plastic The top arm is SS. Things still come clean if you lay them on their side, but spoons fill with water. Regards Nathan | ||
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Post# 80373 , Reply# 21 8/26/2005 at 00:35 (6,818 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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Miele cutlery rack
I passed on the cutlery rack when I got my Miele, It looked to fussy to me lining up everything and also more difficult than the basket which I just lift out and place in the sink or on the counter top to fill or unload..but to each their own. The cutlery tray does remove easily but you just can't set it down on the counter as easily wihtout a clear alley.
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| Post# 80395 , Reply# 23 8/26/2005 at 07:31 (6,818 days old) by mielerod69 (Australia) | ||
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HI Nathan, glad you like your Miele dishwasher. At $1699 plus $179 for the stainless steel door its great value. I have the TOL Navitronic which I am extremely happy with. I have never had a dishwasher that shines stainless steel like this one. Regards Rod CLICK HERE TO GO TO mielerod69's LINK | ||
| Post# 80408 , Reply# 24 8/26/2005 at 09:01 (6,818 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
Having the dishwasher connected to the garbage disposal can cause premature rust and corrosion of the unit. I think it is now recommended that the DW be connected to the drain, not the disposal. That is, unless you spend the money for an all stainless steel model that would resist the corrosion better. I wouldn't connect the dw to cold water. Heating doesn't happen in all phases of the cycle. Imagine the cracked glasses when the machine goes from a 160 degree wash into a 60 degree (or colder) rinse. I have a '96 WP that I love. However, with thin little Correllware, it was great and everything fit perfectly. Since then, I have upgraded to Fiestaware, and it don't fit so good. I'd love a Miele, Bosch or even the new LG's, but looking at the racks, I think the Fiestaware will have an even more ill fit in these machines. I do not like the Maytags. Way to flimsy for me. The new GE's seem to be pretty good, seeing as how GE is trying to improve their quality. Peteski has one, I believe, and praises it. I have heard that the tall tub WP and KA machines are not nearly as good as the regular tub models. | ||
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Post# 80409 , Reply# 25 8/26/2005 at 09:02 (6,818 days old) by rinso (Meridian Idaho) |
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The only advice I have is an obvious one in this group. Stay away from RCA, Hotpoint, and GE BOL "contractor" models that often end up in the best of new homes. These machines have no food particle filters and do a worse job than impeller machines of the 50's. | ||
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Post# 80451 , Reply# 26 8/26/2005 at 14:19 (6,818 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Post# 80558 , Reply# 28 8/27/2005 at 02:20 (6,817 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Oh, I agree, glass can handle those temperature differences, during the production glass has to deal with some bigger temperature differences, so that wouldn't be a problem. And there are low temperature glass cycles on some European dishwashers. I guess in all 220-240V countries dishwashers are connected to cold. The modern dishwashers that dry with condensing techniques work better on a cold connection than on a hot one. I'm drooling over those Miele dishwashers. Saw them overhere too. Expensive machines but very nice design. | ||
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Post# 80652 , Reply# 29 8/28/2005 at 09:50 (6,816 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Racking: My old KA from 91 had 5 rows in the upper rack to fit glases, cups, mugs (beakers) etc. The new KA has 4 rows, ostensibly to fit new big-mouthed, and oversized drinking vessels. The GE in my basement has a large deep upper rack with very short times/spikes in the middle, so it can't hold alot of standard sized glasses. BUT in my situation being that it is used in a kitchen used or entertaining large numbers of guests, the top rack in it fits MANY large pots, whereas the cutout on the bottom limits the utility of the lower rack (for my use). | ||
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Post# 80801 , Reply# 31 8/29/2005 at 13:42 (6,815 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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Post# 80802 , Reply# 32 8/29/2005 at 13:49 (6,815 days old) by dalangdon (Seattle, WA) |
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Dick and Merv Weren't they the same person? ;-) | ||
| Post# 80828 , Reply# 33 8/29/2005 at 16:52 (6,815 days old) by maytagbear (N.E. Ohio) | ||
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Congratulations! On the sale of your house. as for Dick Cavett and Merv Griffin being the same person, I don't think that Deney Terrio sued Dick Cavett for breach of promise! Lawrence/Maytagbear | ||
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Post# 80830 , Reply# 34 8/29/2005 at 17:41 (6,814 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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Post# 80834 , Reply# 35 8/29/2005 at 18:02 (6,814 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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