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Thread Number: 31588
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| Post# 476550 , Reply# 1 11/21/2010 at 00:56 (4,905 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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All Defy front loaders have a spin speed of 550 rpm. all the older model;s have the exact same programmes but have facelifts | ||
| Post# 476551 , Reply# 2 11/21/2010 at 00:59 (4,905 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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here we have the next in line auto maid washing machine< with the matching auto dry for the first pic i posted 
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| Post# 476554 , Reply# 3 11/21/2010 at 01:04 (4,905 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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and now, my personal favourite p.s. we have had the first pic i posted, the matching dryer and now this one.] unfortunatly never had the mtching dryer to this but will find a pic 
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| Post# 476555 , Reply# 4 11/21/2010 at 01:07 (4,905 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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this one was part of the range to have adjustable tempreture controls 
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| Post# 476556 , Reply# 5 11/21/2010 at 01:11 (4,905 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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the Defy Deluxe washing machines had adjustable temp controls and a faster spin | ||
| Post# 476557 , Reply# 6 11/21/2010 at 01:16 (4,905 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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matching dryer to personal fvourite last pic of the day. will post more soon 
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Post# 476559 , Reply# 7 11/21/2010 at 01:29 (4,905 days old) by rapunzel  (Sydney) |
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They look very European I had a quick look at the Defy website - are you sure that these products are made in SA? They look like fairly dated generic designs. Did Defy ever make any automatic top loaders? | ||
| Post# 476562 , Reply# 8 11/21/2010 at 02:55 (4,904 days old) by dj-gabriele () | ||
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Defy machines look really Merloni-esque either Electrolux-esque from the mid-90s! Especially the way the timer is arranged! Exactly the same as one of the many incarnations of the 4 paddle all steel drum Merloni machines that I had in three different places. | ||
| Post# 476566 , Reply# 9 11/21/2010 at 04:40 (4,904 days old) by Docker (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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Defy Automaid Mathew All Defy Automaids, from the woodgrain to the black and the white fascias were rebadged San Giorgio machines, made in Italy. The latest Automaids look like Beko machines and the dishwashers are rebadged LGs' 
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| Post# 476571 , Reply# 11 11/21/2010 at 05:20 (4,904 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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new auto maid 5 kg. 600 rpm spin amd adjustable temp. when i saw it in the shops, i thought the drum looks smaller than the older 1's. also available in white with metallic inserts 
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| Post# 476573 , Reply# 12 11/21/2010 at 05:22 (4,904 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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new 7.2 kg. very nice machine. good features and adjustable 1200 rpm spin 
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| Post# 476574 , Reply# 13 11/21/2010 at 05:23 (4,904 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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the latest from defy the maxi maid 850 8.5 kg front loader (7.2 kg os maxi maid 720) with adjustable 1200 rpm spin 
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| Post# 476576 , Reply# 14 11/21/2010 at 05:32 (4,904 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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metallic 13 kg top loader 
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| Post# 476577 , Reply# 15 11/21/2010 at 05:34 (4,904 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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white 13 kg. prefer this to the mettalic. this machine is what my aunt has and its a beast. can wash a king size blanket in 1 load and about 4 big curtains in 1 load. takes a while to fill it with clothes though 
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| Post# 476578 , Reply# 16 11/21/2010 at 05:40 (4,904 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
Without... | ||
| Post# 476579 , Reply# 17 11/21/2010 at 05:45 (4,904 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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defy 8 kg twin tub. will try find goodd pics of the 7.2 and 9.2 kg top loaders 
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| Post# 476580 , Reply# 18 11/21/2010 at 05:46 (4,904 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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@ ronhic- so sorry to disappoint, but ALL defy machines proudly made in South Africa | ||
| Post# 476582 , Reply# 19 11/21/2010 at 05:47 (4,904 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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10 kg twin tub 
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| Post# 476583 , Reply# 20 11/21/2010 at 05:49 (4,904 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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13 kg twin tub 
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| Post# 476584 , Reply# 21 11/21/2010 at 05:52 (4,904 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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very very early auto maid 
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| Post# 476585 , Reply# 22 11/21/2010 at 05:55 (4,904 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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we have push button doors! this model is now old, but still newish 
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| Post# 476586 , Reply# 23 11/21/2010 at 05:56 (4,904 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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now, lets see what is "native" to your country... | ||
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Post# 476588 , Reply# 24 11/21/2010 at 06:52 (4,904 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 476660 , Reply# 26 11/21/2010 at 14:33 (4,904 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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now, lets see what is "native" to your country...
Well that's easy these days....
Just like Defy is a South African brand, Simpson is here. Shame of it is though, Simpson is now owned by Electrolux and the vast majority of our appliance manufacturing is done off-shore with the exception of ovens and refrigeration.... ...and I would suggest that Defy is in a similar boat - a old South African brand with a long tradition that has been forced to source many/all their products off-shore in order to remain viable... | ||
| Post# 476663 , Reply# 27 11/21/2010 at 15:20 (4,904 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
we have push button doors! this model is now old, but still  | ||
| Post# 476901 , Reply# 28 11/22/2010 at 10:32 (4,903 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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toploaders just an LG these Defy 13 kg top loaders cant be compared to LG 13 kg toploaders. the Defy is WAY more reliable and can handle slightly bigger loads. the styling is also nowhere near LG as well as the programmes. these are the 2 LG top loaders available in south africa. this is the newest. this machine is to die for. not just styling wise 
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| Post# 476902 , Reply# 29 11/22/2010 at 10:34 (4,903 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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and here is the older 1 with less features than the newer 1 and the defy 
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| Post# 476911 , Reply# 31 11/22/2010 at 11:14 (4,903 days old) by Docker (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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A couple of pics: Firstly the Samsung WA80U3, which replaced the Defy Automaid in Feb last year and the 21 year old KIC tumbledryer (rebadged Defy Autodry, Creda) 
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| Post# 476915 , Reply# 32 11/22/2010 at 11:22 (4,903 days old) by Docker (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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Dishwasher My Bosch dishwasher, which replaced the the 21 year old Indesit 2116 
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| Post# 476929 , Reply# 33 11/22/2010 at 12:36 (4,903 days old) by bewitched (Italy) | ||
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The very very old machine (the one under the counter) is a Sangiorgio made in Italy... | ||
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Post# 476943 , Reply# 34 11/22/2010 at 13:51 (4,903 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 476951 , Reply# 35 11/22/2010 at 14:18 (4,903 days old) by hoover1100 (U.K.) | ||
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and wont somebody please post pics of these machines that th A Turkish made Arcelik (Beko) 
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| Post# 476954 , Reply# 36 11/22/2010 at 14:29 (4,903 days old) by hoover1100 (U.K.) | ||
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Older Italian made Sangiorgio ... 
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Post# 477012 , Reply# 37 11/22/2010 at 19:29 (4,903 days old) by mattywashboy (Perth, Western Australia) |
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Intersting | ||
| Post# 477019 , Reply# 38 11/22/2010 at 20:29 (4,903 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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I'm pleased | ||
| Post# 477046 , Reply# 39 11/22/2010 at 23:15 (4,903 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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Arcelic @ hoover1100- that machine does scarily enough look almost exactly like a maxi maid 850. what is the capacity on that machine? | ||
| Post# 477056 , Reply# 41 11/23/2010 at 01:38 (4,902 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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my kitchen here is our 13 kg samsung (14 months old) and LG dishwasher (14 months old) 
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| Post# 477057 , Reply# 42 11/23/2010 at 01:40 (4,902 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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my kitchen our 2 year old whirlpool heavy duty dryer (the cats get fed on it) 
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Post# 477116 , Reply# 43 11/23/2010 at 13:18 (4,902 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA) |
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It looks like Defy doesn't manufacture washing machines in South Africa. The list of factories does not specify that any manufacture washing machines.
It does say: "Defy also markets cookerhoods, dishwashers, washing machines, microwave ovens and gas stoves." Also on the page, to owners outside of South Africa: "In case of front load autowashers, the original design was a European origin and items such as motors, fan belts, thermostats and timers may have compatibility with other products in your country." CLICK HERE TO GO TO joe_in_philly's LINK | ||
| Post# 477188 , Reply# 44 11/24/2010 at 00:52 (4,902 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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joe_in_philly that web page also says the following, "Defy appliances (pty) ltd is Southern Africas largest manufacturer and distributor of major appliances" | ||
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Post# 477201 , Reply# 45 11/24/2010 at 06:17 (4,901 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Defy
I used a Defy like the first one in SA Jo-burg a few years ago at a friends house...reminded me of the old Electra / Zanussi / Sangiorgio...simple enough, good machine..500pm spin!!! took a pic somewhere will try & dig it out!!
Those Simpson dryers made it here in the 80`s through the Independants...I always remember reading if wall mounted you could turn the dryer "Upside down" and switch over the fascia so it was right way up....it was a hoot with the sales staff as we all thought it was a joke at first when we saw the sales blurb..... | ||
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Post# 477219 , Reply# 46 11/24/2010 at 10:34 (4,901 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA) |
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Post# 477276 , Reply# 47 11/24/2010 at 14:07 (4,901 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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If Defy is the largest manufacturer and distributor of major appliances in Southern Africa, it doesn't mean that they make all their appliances themselves. It's all a matter of reading, just as in the threads about commercials in the pink forum.
Perhaps they make a few models and just distribute the other ones. I also was wondering if perhaps they import parts and assemble them to complete machines in South Africa. | ||
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Post# 477278 , Reply# 48 11/24/2010 at 14:11 (4,901 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Matthew | ||
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Post# 477279 , Reply# 49 11/24/2010 at 14:12 (4,901 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 477432 , Reply# 51 11/25/2010 at 05:13 (4,900 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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my kitchen thankx you foraloysius! :) | ||
| Post# 478321 , Reply# 53 11/29/2010 at 12:43 (4,896 days old) by electron1100 (England) | ||
UK But South African | ||
| Post# 478322 , Reply# 54 11/29/2010 at 12:44 (4,896 days old) by electron1100 (England) | ||
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The Ratings Plate | ||
| Post# 478324 , Reply# 55 11/29/2010 at 12:47 (4,896 days old) by electron1100 (England) | ||
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Weights | ||
| Post# 478371 , Reply# 56 11/29/2010 at 17:11 (4,896 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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Not so unusual Gary..... | ||
| Post# 478489 , Reply# 57 11/30/2010 at 11:21 (4,895 days old) by electron1100 (England) | ||
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Not so unusual Gary..... | ||
| Post# 478530 , Reply# 58 11/30/2010 at 14:37 (4,895 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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LOL... | ||
| Post# 478868 , Reply# 59 12/2/2010 at 00:38 (4,894 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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UK but south african my neighbour has the matching washing machine for that tumble dryer! | ||
| Post# 479094 , Reply# 61 12/3/2010 at 00:01 (4,893 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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very very early auto maid those early auto maids had a standard spin of 550 rpm, no adjustments no ,atter what cycle you put it on. and no tempreture dial. tempreture depended on the cycle you selected. most older auto maids had this standard spin and no temp dial. the models that are between up to 10 years old started getting temp dials | ||
| Post# 479218 , Reply# 62 12/3/2010 at 14:29 (4,892 days old) by electron1100 (England) | ||
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UK but south african | ||
| Post# 479279 , Reply# 63 12/4/2010 at 00:53 (4,892 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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UK but South African yes! thats the one. and i saw an ad for the tumble dryer the other on one of the classified websites i visit. i was so shocked i nearly fell over, hahaha :) | ||
| Post# 479692 , Reply# 67 12/5/2010 at 19:48 (4,890 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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I'm interested... | ||
| Post# 479774 , Reply# 69 12/6/2010 at 01:53 (4,889 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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i'm interested ronhic plz explain what exactly you mean... | ||
| Post# 479836 , Reply# 70 12/6/2010 at 10:33 (4,889 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland) | ||
I am interested too....... | ||
| Post# 479864 , Reply# 71 12/6/2010 at 12:09 (4,889 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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yes! a very big and very stylish 14 kg twin tub!!! we dont expect the british to understand due to your space issues | ||
| Post# 479886 , Reply# 73 12/6/2010 at 13:30 (4,889 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland) | ||
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mattweza | ||
| Post# 479891 , Reply# 74 12/6/2010 at 14:09 (4,889 days old) by electron1100 (England) | ||
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LG 15KG Washer
I found this machine on the SA LG website, but as to "space issues" i see none with it
CLICK HERE TO GO TO electron1100's LINK | ||
| Post# 479895 , Reply# 75 12/6/2010 at 14:48 (4,889 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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plz explain what exactly you mean
What I mean is how can an appliance rated at one rating in one country have such a vastly different rating in another?
For example, the machine in the link is the same dimensions as the 13kg one in post 476577 (just a newer model), yet is rated at 8.5kg on our market... I'd challenge anyone to actually get 13kg into one of these machines let alone have it move the clothes... CLICK HERE TO GO TO ronhic's LINK | ||
| Post# 479951 , Reply# 77 12/6/2010 at 20:21 (4,889 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California) | ||
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ps Looking closely at the photo, it appears they are packing a steamer trunk, probably for the young lady going off to college. | ||
| Post# 480009 , Reply# 79 12/7/2010 at 03:51 (4,888 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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LG 15kg washer yes! they are amazing machines! the matching dryer is also wow. they actually popular here because people have the space, some even in their kitchens. i'm thinking of startin a luandromat and might buy those machines because i dont like agitators for big comforters, or might just buy the dryers and the 11 kg front loader | ||
| Post# 480183 , Reply# 84 12/7/2010 at 19:18 (4,888 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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Washing capacity by volume....
....rather than by weight (..and this is cotton cycle too BTW) appears to be a uniquely American way of doing things.
From what other posters have said in the past it came about because of increasing capacity statements by manufacturers that couldn't be backed up. Cubic capacity, on the other hand, is potentially more reliable.... From an Australian perspective, several manufacturers have been taken to task by Choice, our consumer magazine, for claiming impossible capacities on machines. This is especially true of top-load machines. Either Whirlpool or Maytag were the worst offenders. In one instance that I can recall seeing in the magazine, the machine in question when loaded to the stated capacity was so full the lid was at 45degrees with clothes overflowing out..... | ||
| Post# 480250 , Reply# 85 12/8/2010 at 03:31 (4,887 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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SA washer marketing they are always all marketed by their KG capacity. its easier and more understandable than cubic feet. and its always been KG so changing now would probably upset consumers | ||
| Post# 480265 , Reply# 86 12/8/2010 at 05:54 (4,887 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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That's interesting then....
....because with the possible exception of the front load machines, it is impossible for the top loaders to actually wash with that much in them...
Try it. Weigh yourself and a clothes basket and then add sufficent clothes/towels/sheets to take it up an additional 13kg....given that an average washing basket completely full ('rounded with clothes', not 'level') will weigh somewhere between 5-6kg, I cannot see how at LEAST 2 or more will fit and actually wash... Interestingly, this seems to only be the case with top load machines. Front load machines sold in South Africa appear to be inline (capacity wise) with Europe/Australia... | ||
| Post# 480270 , Reply# 88 12/8/2010 at 06:32 (4,887 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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They have...
...introduced minimum performance standards here on washing machines...they must be able to wash and especially rinse the load when at stated capacity....
Mind, the bar is pretty low, but Haier were taken to task about water consumption in two separate cases...one was too low and the machines failed the rinse test and another was stating the water consumption was low and it used far far more... Personally, I think anything greater than 7kg in a standard cabinet is starting to ask for trouble.... | ||
| Post# 480347 , Reply# 89 12/8/2010 at 13:22 (4,887 days old) by 3beltwesty () | ||
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USA's government mumbo jumbo tests for washers USA's government mumbo jumbo tests for washers is about 40 percent down on this long webpage CLICK HERE TO GO TO 3beltwesty's LINK 
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| Post# 480374 , Reply# 90 12/8/2010 at 15:04 (4,887 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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Ok then....
....I find this kind of facinating and it may go some way to explaining why American machines don't do well here in comparison tests (noting that they are tested at STATED capacity)
If I am reading the above correctly, and lets choose 3.00 cu ft, that gives a drum volume of 85 litres and a tested capacity of 12.9 lb or 5.85 kg... WOW! A machine with a drum that size would be sold here with a capacity of around 22 lb/10 kg and when tested by Choice would be expected to wash at that stated capacity.... My Zanussi/Westinghouse is rated at 6.5kg on our market (and 6kg in Europe) and has a drum volume of about 1.9 cu ft (55 litres)....yet washes/rinses well with the drum full (that is, right to the top and moving when trying to put something else in!) This goes quite a way to explaining why I've always thought American machines were underloaded when I see them in use....quite simply, they can't wash the amount I would expect them to hold.... | ||
| Post# 480488 , Reply# 91 12/9/2010 at 05:13 (4,886 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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capacity well those 14kg LG twin tubs are huge. and my 13 kg top load auto is also quite big. and here we also have that LG 9 kg standard size washing machine and tuble dryer set. they look capable hey. quite big. but now they have just introduced the 11 kg LG under counter standard size to us...I WANT 1!!! are they popular in the UK? | ||
| Post# 480524 , Reply# 92 12/9/2010 at 09:22 (4,886 days old) by jlbrazil (brazil) | ||
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Here is the link of the video :) | ||
| Post# 480555 , Reply# 97 12/9/2010 at 14:27 (4,886 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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Its Capacity is listed as 2.84 cubic feet 80 Liters ; with a | ||
| Post# 480599 , Reply# 99 12/9/2010 at 19:07 (4,886 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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You may think it more appropriate....
....but then this is half the problem - most people NEVER load a machine to capacity....
...and this is where so much of the disconnect between the way Europeans and users of European-style front load machines here and in other parts of the world have never been able to 'get their head around it' compared to the USA and your industrial sized front load machines. By removing weight as a capacity measure and giving capacity in cu ft, the USA has effectively made their machines incapable of being compared with those made elsewhere. This is evidenced by the conversion chart above and the actual loads used to test these machines and both mine and DJ-Gabriel's comments about machine loading...it also echo's a comment made by an American in a laundrette in London in 1997 when confronted by a front-load machine.... - This lady walked into the laundrette at Russell Square with 2 huge garbage bags of washing to do....she proceeded to load a few items into a machine and went to close the door... - I stopped her (it was not even up to the glass) and said she could put more in... - 'Really?' was the response - Yep, was mine....so she did. By now about 1/4 up the door and she went to shut it again... - So again I said, 'keep going' - Her reply ' Are you sure it'll wash?' - My reply 'Millions of Europeans can't be wrong' - She filled to about half way up the glass....and then SAT THERE INTENTLY WATCHING IT.... Now, she may have never used a front load machine before, but the 'half full' or 'lightly loaded' mentality seems to be very prevalent in the USA and the use of huge machines with effectively small (given their size) actual usable capacities seems to exaggerate it.... | ||
| Post# 480606 , Reply# 100 12/9/2010 at 19:19 (4,886 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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Just as a comparison...
....my 1.9 cu ft - based on drum volume (or 6.5kg stated capacity in Oz) Zanussi/Westinghouse will happily wash:
- 4 Queen sized sheets - 2 Queen quilt covers - 8 pillow slips..... ...on its standard 'cotton 40c - warm' cycle Most Americans would NEVER contemplate putting that load in a machine with such a small stated capacity (or maybe in one with double that)... | ||
| Post# 480654 , Reply# 102 12/9/2010 at 23:53 (4,886 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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| Post# 480788 , Reply# 104 12/10/2010 at 15:13 (4,885 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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In a word....
...no...
Least I'm fairly certain they didn't. Some new machines let you tell it that it is a smaller load (Haier...multistage water level control not just a 1/2 or quick wash) or have electronic systems to detect (Miele) and will either use less water or tell you to use less detergent.... ...or they have a '1/2 load' or 'quick wash' button which will shorten/delete some sequences for smaller loads - normally 1/2 capacity and will reduce the cycle from 1/3 to 1/2 the overall time... | ||
| Post# 480883 , Reply# 105 12/11/2010 at 03:24 (4,884 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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weight all digital top loaders herer in SA weigh the washing before it starts. it pulsates about 6 or 10 times with no water to detect the weight and then starts the cycle. both my machnes do this. a nice feature to stop guess work! :) | ||
| Post# 480891 , Reply# 106 12/11/2010 at 05:46 (4,884 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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weight the fancy front loaders like LG, Samsung, AEG, etc... also weigh the load before washing | ||
| Post# 481096 , Reply# 110 12/12/2010 at 01:54 (4,883 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa) | ||
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no i dont hink we had anything like this in SA. as someone said about the half load button. we had that before the fancy machines came out that sense the load. the half load button would use less water. nothing else changed (this being on the machines in SA) | ||
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