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Post# 47365   10/18/2004 at 22:47 (7,116 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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I've been working the past week or so on restoring that Kelvinator that I got down in Tulsa. The machine was in rough shape to say the least, plus the outer tub boot was ripped so water poured all over the floor. The ABC/Kelvinator mechanism is lubricated with grease as opposed to having a transmission filled with oil. The restoration process means that the entire drive assembly has to be taken apart and cleaned with paint thinner (or other suitable solvent). Here is a shot of the most of the drive system parts after a good cleaning.



After reassembly I have to take a grease gun and shoot the inners of the mechanism full of fresh new lithium grease.

Poor Kelvinator, waiting to have its parts back all fresh and clean.






Post# 47368 , Reply# 1   10/18/2004 at 22:57 (7,116 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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That does look very familiar! That damper assembly looks different though, my Kelvi of similar vintage has three adjusting bolts on the damper plate, are these removed from yours?

Post# 47370 , Reply# 2   10/18/2004 at 23:03 (7,116 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Hi Greg, no the adjustment screws are there on the damper, but they are underneath on the other side.

Post# 47371 , Reply# 3   10/18/2004 at 23:23 (7,116 days old) by westytoploader ()        
Excellent

Hi Robert, glad the restoration is going well! YAY! The Kelvy's Centric transmission appears to be very simple; this is what manufacturers should use today in an HE machine, instead of repair-prone mechanisms, IMHO. Makes a lot more sense using grease instead of oil. Am I wrong, or was the Philco Automagic mechanism grease-lubricated as well? I looked at your (red) Philco restoration photos and I didn't see any provision for oil.

And last but not least, are my eyes playing tricks on me or is that a Frigidaire Spin-Tube DW installed in your basement? BEAUTIFUL!

--Austin


Post# 47395 , Reply# 4   10/19/2004 at 08:45 (7,116 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Yes I have two '56 Frigidaire Dishwashers. The one in the workshop is not installed, its only been used about 5 to 10 times in it entire life so its in just pristine shape. It's my dishwasher for later on in life.

As for the Kelvinator if all goes well I might even be able to get some water into it tonight. Boy are my hands dirty, I scrub and scrub, it takes a few days to get all the grease off. Yuk, grease pan hands!


Post# 47405 , Reply# 5   10/19/2004 at 11:14 (7,116 days old) by jaxsunst ()        
Cool!

Can't wait to see the Kelvy in action. I am very mechanically challenged, and I admire the skill of everyone who does this work. I can only appreciate it from afar.

Post# 47440 , Reply# 6   10/19/2004 at 23:11 (7,115 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        
Kelvinator is Back Together Tonight

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Well I finished putting the Kelvinator mechanism back together tonight and I did a few tester washloads. It performed rather well and its now water tight YAY. Lots more work to go with the dispensers and cosmetics, but otherwise its getting ready to take its place in the main room.

Thought everyone would enjoy a few more pictures...





Post# 47448 , Reply# 7   10/20/2004 at 03:07 (7,115 days old) by arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)        
Oh WOW!

I just love Kelvinators.

What a beauty!

Cant wait for the DVD, I will be putting my name down for that one.

Well done Uni on your hard work.


Post# 47455 , Reply# 8   10/20/2004 at 06:47 (7,115 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Robert, another miraculous endeavor performed by you!! I love those blue Kelvi agitators. Seeing the drive mechanism laid out on the counter top, kinda had a flashback in my head of the My Three Sons episode where Steve Doublas does the bedding in the Custom Frigidaire (overloading it and oversudsing it) and one part of the scene shows a big spoked gear rolling across the kitchen floor. Sure glad Uncle Charley showed up an episode or two later to rescue domestic tranquility.

Post# 47462 , Reply# 9   10/20/2004 at 08:10 (7,115 days old) by Gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        

Very cool Robert. Thanks for the photos!!! What was the last year this type of machine was built?

Post# 47464 , Reply# 10   10/20/2004 at 10:06 (7,115 days old) by jaxsunst ()        
Wow!

Beautiful, just beautiful, I am so excited for you.

The one that I lost had the blue agitator with a darker cap with a cross pattern on it.

Congratulations, I am glad to see that you plan to put it in the main room.

Keep the pics coming.


Post# 47471 , Reply# 11   10/20/2004 at 12:29 (7,115 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Looks good, hopefully no knocking sounds during spin! How much work will the dispensers be? At least all the parts are there.

Knock, knock, knock - it's not a Norge, it's gansky's Kelvinator!


Post# 47474 , Reply# 12   10/20/2004 at 12:36 (7,115 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        
Get you centric on!

Wonderful! a great Kelvy lives again. An angel gets her wings.

I want one.


Post# 47482 , Reply# 13   10/20/2004 at 14:17 (7,115 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        
Bleach and Rinse Dispensers

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Iíve seem to have cured about 95% of the knocking during spin by using a combination of shims on the cross brace, adjusting the 4 centering springs and adjusting the belt tension. The ABC/Kelvinator Centric design just seems to always have a spin knocking problem, some worse than others, I wonder if they did that when they were brand new?

As for the dispensers they need to be taken apart and thoroughly cleaned and one of the two solenoids is dead, but I have extras. Unfortunately the Kelvinator engineers didnít design the dispersers to have water flowing through them during the dispensing process. Instead a solenoid opens and simply lets gravity pull the liquid into the fill flume. I think I have an idea on how to reengineer the softener dispenser system to tap off a bit of the incoming rinse water and direct it into the softener dispenser. I would only do that to the rinse dispenser as fabric softener is much thicker than bleach. Besides with all the new good rubber parts in the Kelvinator I would never risk using bleach on them. I will look into that later after I get both dispensers working they way there were meant to.


Post# 47483 , Reply# 14   10/20/2004 at 14:33 (7,115 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
They all knock eventually

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Even my ABC knocks and they knock for different reasons. My '52 ABC knocks in spin because the trip lever is just too close to the damper assembly and I can't seem to get the tub centered. My '61 Kelvinator knocks after spin finishes and the dasher mechanism does its famous aknocka aknocka aknocka....
I think it goes with the turf like the famous Unimatic


Post# 47484 , Reply# 15   10/20/2004 at 14:34 (7,115 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
WHOLE MESSAGE BELOW

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Even my ABC knocks and they knock for different reasons. My '52 ABC knocks in spin because the trip lever is just too close to the damper assembly and I can't seem to get the tub centered. My '61 Kelvinator knocks after spin finishes and the dasher mechanism does its famous aknocka aknocka aknocka....
I think it goes with the turf like the famous Unimatic "errk" at tub stop.
And the reeky creaky,.. reeky creaky,... reeky creaky of the GE filter flo at the end of suds kill and spin.

WOW the server just cut off my message!! Robert........??


Post# 47486 , Reply# 16   10/20/2004 at 14:44 (7,115 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Work Continues on the Kelvinator

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Robert,
This is a real gem. On some of these top of the line models with the dispenser on top didn't some have a detergent dispenser also. I thought from other pictures from different machines there were 3 seperate doors to add formulars. I could be mistaken!
Anyway if you are going to do a DVD on this baby - Please put me at the top of the list.
Thanks,
Peter


Post# 47487 , Reply# 17   10/20/2004 at 14:44 (7,115 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Work Continues on the Kelvinator

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Robert,
This is a real gem. On some of these top of the line models with the dispenser on top didn't some have a detergent dispenser also. I thought from other pictures from different machines there were 3 seperate doors to add formulars. I could be mistaken!
Anyway if you are going to do a DVD on this baby - Please put me at the top of the list.
Thanks,
Peter


Post# 47492 , Reply# 18   10/20/2004 at 16:20 (7,114 days old) by jmirawm (Barling Arkansas)        
The kelvinator

My mom had an ABC washer that I watched, as a child, religously. I do not recall a knocking during spin. But, there is not a whole lot I do recall. OF course if you make a dvd of this washer, I want to be on that list! Mom's had a black agitator. And, If I remember correctly, it would start agitating before the tub would finish filling with water. I have told mom and dad if they find the Manual "SAVE IT!" I think they are worried about the boy......LOL the first time I found this sight and I was watching the Video of the ABC-O-Matic, I called mom and said "you will never be able to guess what I am doing right now!" Too Funny ! Probably got off the phone and told DAD I am worried about your boy!

Post# 47495 , Reply# 19   10/20/2004 at 16:41 (7,114 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Ah! The famous Magic Minute!! Robert, you are doing a great job on this washer.

Post# 47498 , Reply# 20   10/20/2004 at 18:04 (7,114 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Wonderful to see the Kelvi in action! YAY! A few questions: Is the plastic-finned agitator splashier than the rubber-finned ABC? And, with the sloshy agitation and the Magic Minute, why don't I see it oversuds like a Frigidaire when washing? Is the action different, or is it just the fact that you have to regulate the amount of detergent to avoid such a problem, as with Frigidaires and vintage FLs? I have to watch the amount of Tide I put in the Bendix or there will be a buildup of thick, heavy suds that takes a long time to leave...

As for the dispensers, I don't think it was a good idea to just open the valve to dispense the detergent/rinse/bleach, IMHO. You need to have some water flow to flush everything out. Also, if you're worried about LCB and the Kelvy's rubber parts, I prefer Biz to chlorine bleach. It gets clothes just as white, is safe for colors as well, and isn't as hard on the washer. Has a nice clean scent too. When I see a machine I can tell if chlorine bleach has been used; it causes premature rusting on the dispenser cutout. Not good...

--Austin


Post# 47502 , Reply# 21   10/20/2004 at 19:24 (7,114 days old) by JerseyMike ()        
Wow!

Great job as usual, Robert. Thanks for sharing.

Another, Kelvinator saved! :-)

I truly admire those of you who can do this.

This thread inspired me to re-visit the vintage audio section of the museum, so I could once again hear a Jill Corey sing about the wonders of the 1959 Kevlvinator!

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Post# 47508 , Reply# 22   10/20/2004 at 20:23 (7,114 days old) by bpetersxx (laf in on the banks of the Wabash River)        
kelvinator dvd

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Great Machine.

I want a dvd of the Kelvinator when it is finished.

Pete


Post# 47511 , Reply# 23   10/20/2004 at 21:28 (7,114 days old) by Gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        
Reply to Austin

The main reason I recall for no problem with the suds is that the machine kicked so much water over the side what was left was just the clothes and the suds! I also do not remember a knocking noise, but hey, its been a while! Austin, I sent you an e-mail re: the Westy F/L "repair master" book. Never heard back---bought it anyway. If you would like a copy e-mail me and I will send one. Friend looking for the "Converto-Vac" enjoyed your comments. He says thanks and he still has his wallet out if you know of anyone who has one to sell. -Steve

Post# 47517 , Reply# 24   10/20/2004 at 21:56 (7,114 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
Sounds

and there's the "click CLACK vrooOOM" of the start relay and motor in a non-impeller D & M DW as it starts up, and the "s q u EEAK!" as it spins down from pumpout. I think it's caused by the carbon/ceramic motor shaft seal.

Post# 47519 , Reply# 25   10/20/2004 at 22:58 (7,114 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Hi Austin, to answer you questions, first of all the plastic and rubber finned Kelvinator dasher/agitators splash about the same, which is a lot of splashing. No Kelvinator washers like Frigidaire get very sudsy, those pictures were taken at the beginning of the wash cycle so it did not have time to get as sudsy as it did. But one very important point that I must clarify. You referred to sudsing as a "problem". Vintage Frigidaire's (especially Unimatics) and Kelvinators as well as other solid basket washers with large outer tubs were designed to handle lots of suds, the more suds the better in those machines. It is front loaders and modern perforated basket top loaders that have trouble with suds and you have to be careful with the detergent. Of course vintage Belt-drive Whirlpool washers were terrible with too much suds and GE washers too you had to be careful not to cause a suds lock. We've all seen the WCI-58 Unimatic video which show exactly how those machines handle suds.

By the way here is the before shot of the softener dispenser, yuk. This is why it needs to be flushed with water during its dispensing phase...



Post# 47534 , Reply# 26   10/21/2004 at 03:13 (7,114 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
clogged dispenser

To Kelvinator's credit, at least you could access the dispenser to clean it, the early KM's that used the reservoir system with the solenoids and plunger stoppers had to accessed by lifting the top and removing the reservoir. My '63 LK was a mess when I got it that way.


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