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Post# 494863   2/8/2011 at 08:46 (4,687 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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Apparently LG is trying its hand at commercial washers and dryers!

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Post# 494884 , Reply# 1   2/8/2011 at 11:44 (4,687 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

With plastic drum paddles?

And have you seen the specs?

50 litres of water for a 10kg load (maximum wash load of 15 kg)!!!!

How clean can clothes be out of that machine? :O And what about the rinsing!??!?!


Post# 494887 , Reply# 2   2/8/2011 at 11:56 (4,687 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)        

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First, you couldn't give them to me.

 

Second, how flexible are the controls for the owner?  Would be interesting to see if the owner could add/delete/control segment times, water levels, temps, etc...
Post# 494922 , Reply# 3   2/8/2011 at 13:34 (4,687 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        
Korean horsesh%t in a laundromat!

 I wonder what the cycle times are for these machines, given that they use almost no water. Also, I'm not so sure that these will stand up to the abuse being in a laundromat environment. These are in no way commercial machines! Horsey has packed its bags and been thrown out!!

Post# 494932 , Reply# 4   2/8/2011 at 13:53 (4,687 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
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I have seen these installed already. Wonder what the service issues are like...

Malcolm

Post# 494938 , Reply# 5   2/8/2011 at 14:12 (4,687 days old) by sudsman ()        
I'm not so sure that these will stand up to the abuse be

You are SOOO right.  let them get the "pack full" treatment a few loads and then watch it  Fall apart.  Also most of the laundromat 'people' suds the hell out of them  what is that over suds cycle gonna do?/ should be fun to watch for sure.
Post# 494958 , Reply# 6   2/8/2011 at 15:51 (4,687 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        
Looking at the specifications closely...

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... The cycle time is stated as :37 minutes. My LG washer has a cycle time ranging from :55 to 1:08. The wash is only 15-20 minutes too! I wonder what they did to minimize the cycle time? A wash of 2 minutes? lol
Post# 494967 , Reply# 7   2/8/2011 at 16:13 (4,687 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)        

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A typical commercial washer does this:

 

9 wash

1 drain

1 rinse

1 drain

:30 spin

1 rinse

1 drain

:30 spin

2 rinse

1 drain

4 spin

TOTAL 22 min + fill

 

These washers have a pump and usually more time is added for that.  Add even more time for OOB and oversuds routines.  Save some time by removing a rinse.
Post# 494980 , Reply# 8   2/8/2011 at 17:20 (4,687 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        

Oh Hi Mac,
It's good to see you posting!! Have a good day!!!

Now that I looked at the link...
It's just marketing. Nothing really new as far as construction is concerned. These are just consumer machines with a different user interface and a coin box mounted on the top. That still equates to soggy, Skyline Chili-looking horsesh&t to me. Says nothing about having extra reinforced spider, or bigger, more durable bearings. They look to be TL replacement machines. If one of these machines does get overloaded and packed full, there is a high chance that the center of the load will still be dry at the end of the cycle. I'm not seeing how this machine would do a good cleaning job with only 37 min and such a small amount of water being used.

Post# 495430 , Reply# 9   2/10/2011 at 09:18 (4,685 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
LG's are already in some laudromats

 Here I saw some commercial LG FL washers at a laundromat farther north last year. The number of programs is simpler than a home washer.

Bearings used in all FL washer are extremely large for the actual load they see. Some are bigger than the rear axle ball bearing used on a 1960's Ford Falcon car. The reason the bearings fail 99 plus percent of the time is due to a failed water seal. The seal leaks and the bearings corrode and thus fail. Making the bearings even large really adds about zero extra life, it is like gluing a 10 dollar bill to the washer in waste. Using a stainless ball bearing would be better than using a bigger bearing if one wanted a better life.


In commercial washers back in the 1970's, an engineer buddy that worked at one of the majors said some of their commercial washers had a SMALLER spin basket and the same other stuff. This is because the average laundromat user tends to overload washers.

Having one's washer mechanics/mechanism/design in a commercial laundromat is an excellent accelerated life test. The end user does not care about the washer, thus it sees gobs and gobs of abuse. Parts common to both commercial and Home washers that fail early thus are often improved and the home washer thus becomes more robust. All the major washer brands who have sold commercial variants get flak from the commercial buyer, and they tend to be listened top more than a lone home buyer.

Commercial washers may not be beholden to the government water police. The LG 27" frame WM2501HVAS here washes well here, but I about always use the "add extra water button" A normal cycle is about 55 minutes, with prewash too it is 1 hr 13 minutes, a quick wash is 22 minutes. A commercial machine tends to have a shorter cycle than a home machine, thus having one that is in the 30 to 45 minute range is possible.

Historically many small/regular commercial washers are built around the same frame and mechanics of home washers.

LG is who built the compressor in a 5200 BTUH window AC that I use now from Sears/Whirlpool that is 6 years old. A sister AC of the same model ran for 11 years, its LG compressor still worked, its outside aluminum coils were shot.



Post# 495435 , Reply# 10   2/10/2011 at 09:49 (4,685 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
commerical F1069FD is a 27" frame box

This page is from the LG PDF in the link. I converted the metric stuff to usa terms.

This F1069FD is the same width and weight of my LG WM2501HVA, plus about the same spin basket volume too. The 37 minute cycle looks decent for a laundromat. There would be riots if machines were 1 hour long.

If one goes into a local Sears or Home Depot, this is the size one gets in the 27" wide LG, Maytag, GE.



Post# 495442 , Reply# 11   2/10/2011 at 10:03 (4,685 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
The other model WD1046BD has a smaller basket, lower rpm

The other commercial model is a 27" frame size too, but has a lower spin rpm and a smaller basket too. This might be just the same tooled up basket for an older LG washer.
/n

Post# 495989 , Reply# 12   2/12/2011 at 16:14 (4,683 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI )        

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I agree with Mac! I can just picture some idiot loading it completely full, then whining why it didn't do a damn thing. Or somebody putting the proper amount of laundry in, pouring 2 cups of detergent in, and then wondering why there are suds spewing out of the machine.


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