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Post# 501278   3/4/2011 at 14:17 (4,852 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Just found these on the Sears web site. Wonder if it's still made by LG, though. Has a lot of resemblance to Electrolux: 5.1 cu.ft on the washer and 8 on the dryer, 59 min. Express Sanitize, reversible door swing and three users can save their own three custom cycles -all just like on the WaveTouch. There's still all that scrubbing, swinging etc. motion going on, so...?

Specs:

7 in. LCD Touchscreen controls up to 26 cycles. Save up to 30% more time when doing laundry with Exclusive Time Manager™ Technology. Cleans up to 48 men's XL t-shirts with 5.1 IEC cu. ft. super capacity.

Time Manager™ saves you up to 30% more time when doing laundry by shortening wash times while still keeping all segments of the washing process and getting your clothes clean. Time Manager™ can be selected in five cycles (Normal, Bulky, Heavy, Towels & Whites) to handle all different types of fabrics.

Is your water hook up on the left side or right side of your laundry room? It does not matter with Kenmore Elite washer 4413 because it has a reversible washer door. You can enjoy a "French Door" opening so transferring clothes from the washer to the dryer is effortless.

Smart Motion™ Technology now offers 8 revolutionary wash motions (Cradling, Soaking, Stirring, Showering, Tumbling, Swinging, Scrubbing, and Rolling) to give proper care and cleaning for a range of fabrics.





Post# 501281 , Reply# 1   3/4/2011 at 14:20 (4,852 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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And what about this? Bad PhotoShop? These are clearly Electrolux drums:

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Post# 501285 , Reply# 2   3/4/2011 at 14:34 (4,852 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        
Blackberry

Cleans up to 48 men's XL t-shirts with 5.1 IEC cu. ft. super capacity.

Kenmore's Most Efficienct Washer. The 4413x saves 60% more energy and 71% more water than a pre-2004 non-Energy Star Clothes washer. The annual dollar savings are $176. This washer will pay for itself in ~ 8 years



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Post# 501290 , Reply# 3   3/4/2011 at 14:52 (4,852 days old) by Pingmeep ()        

@Logixx Yup it has to be Electrolux besides the drums. Time Manager(tm) has been their feature for years. Remember seeing it in Electrolux machines from Hong Kong immigrants years ago.

As an aside: Yay a new standard for washer capacity 48 men's XL t-shirts!


Post# 501291 , Reply# 4   3/4/2011 at 14:53 (4,852 days old) by househelper ()        
59 min sanitize

From your link 3belt

"Eliminate 99.9% of bacteria in only 59 minutes with the NSF® Express Sanitize Cycle. Other front load washers can take up to 2 1/2+"

I guess you can heat 2 cups of water with 120v to sanitation temps in 59 min. I wonder how it cleans though.


Post# 501295 , Reply# 5   3/4/2011 at 15:26 (4,852 days old) by hoover1100 (U.K.)        
48 men's XL t-shirts

What a joke!

No one has that much washing! These capacities are just getting ridiculous.


Post# 501309 , Reply# 6   3/4/2011 at 16:40 (4,852 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Yeah, TimaManager is so Electrolux. I though that, too! Electrolux/Frigidaire has a Quick Sani cycle: it doesn't heat quite as high as th full cycle, IIRC, and only has one rinse.

ManageMyLife.com already has the manuals available for download and they look just like E-Lux!

www.managemylife.com/mmh/lis_pdf/...

www.managemylife.com/mmh/lis_pdf/...


Post# 501332 , Reply# 7   3/4/2011 at 18:54 (4,852 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Yep, made by Elux.  Frigilux's Frigidaire has the 1 hour Sanitize Express cycle. 


Post# 501386 , Reply# 8   3/4/2011 at 20:50 (4,852 days old) by retropia ()        

I might be willing to spend this kind of money on a washer if I knew I could get 10, 15 or 20 mostly trouble-free years out of it.  But if I only got 3-5 years of service before it dies?  That would make it a poor value.


Post# 501414 , Reply# 9   3/4/2011 at 22:11 (4,852 days old) by appnut (TX)        
No one has that much washing! These capacities are just gett

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Matt, I think most people here on this side of the pond don't sort, they throw everything in at once, add a cheap liquid detergent, and wash in cold water.  they don't care about laundry. 


Post# 501417 , Reply# 10   3/4/2011 at 22:17 (4,852 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Have Observed More Than Once

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Persons at local laundromat arriving with one, two or several large bin liners full of laundry. Cram it all into the 50lb SQ washer (regardless of over loading or not), and start the machine. Darks, lites, whites, dog blankets, towels, the whole lot, in that one wash load.

Post# 501425 , Reply# 11   3/4/2011 at 22:46 (4,852 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

I am still laughing...in fact I can't stop.  Time manager reduces the time of the cycle.  Ok my FL washer from 2003 does this. it doesn't have a trademark name attached.... it just does it.

 

Washing motions :  Cradling.  Ok so the washer holds, caresses and pets the clothes is that it?  Better something,  or someone, do this than a washer.   You know folks read this and are ready to jump on it right away... 26 Cycles....What can possibly be going on?...  Oh I bet all of the cradling, rocking, scrubbing,  jumping  and squatting are in  individual cycles....although my 1996 kitchenAid  TL had a bunch of cycles...turns out that they counted a 12 minute wash as a cycle, as 10 minute wash as a cycle a 4 minute wash as a cycle and so on....not really program cycles just changes in the wash time you selected on the mechanical dial.

 

Other companies are learning from Whirlpool that it pays to apply a name to every little thing the machine does making it sound like something WONDERFUL..make it sound good and they will come,  even while other  machines have been executing the same thing --- sometimes for years prior.

 

Stupid pet tricks .....and  the consumer is the pet... or perhaps they are the stupid.

 

Great advertising...thanks for the post!


Post# 501435 , Reply# 12   3/4/2011 at 23:36 (4,852 days old) by pingmeep ()        
A name for everything...

@jerrod6 You can bet LG is kicking themselves for stopping at 6motion

@logixx Have you seen any of these machines with a full LCD sell well in the EU?

@Laundress I'll see your 50lb SpeedQueen stuff and raise you a 30lb Dexter overstuff I saw tonight. It was so bad the owner came down to see it. "We have other machines. You could separate the whites."


Post# 501437 , Reply# 13   3/4/2011 at 23:46 (4,852 days old) by georgect (Fairfield, CT)        
Is this the next generation Electrolux?

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Are we seeing what's coming down the line (next generation) for Electrolux?
I still love the Wavetouch and they are still my first choice to replace my TL Whirlpools.

Didn't Sears do this before with another brand? Kind of like a test before Whirlpool put its own name on the machines.


Post# 501463 , Reply# 14   3/5/2011 at 07:19 (4,852 days old) by Logixx (Germany)        

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Actually, I know of only one washer that has a touch screen - a Gorenje. Miele has the Supertronic, which has the same interface as the LaPerla dishwasher. Other than that, most washers have knobs and buttons. There were attempts from AEG, B/S/H and Bauknecht to sell display-driven machines but they all disappeared. I like the idea but I hope the electronics behind it are durable. I mean, I'm typing this from my Samsung Wave touch screen phone, which is easy to use and reliable... but who knows how the technology performs on the washer?

Yes, 8Motions - what a joke! What kind of motion is soaking? And rolling is really just slow tumbling...


Post# 501473 , Reply# 15   3/5/2011 at 08:11 (4,852 days old) by sudsman ()        
Cradling, Soaking, Stirring, Showering, Tumbling, Swinging,

Sounds like its got bed bugs!


Post# 501525 , Reply# 16   3/5/2011 at 12:55 (4,851 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        

MATT; RE:

What a joke!

No one has that much washing! These capacities are just getting ridiculous


Matt; I think it points to a USA "red beans and rice factor"!

ie typical American Bigger is better! :)

Seriously here in the USA one has had this McMansion factor in the last decade's real estate boondoggle of giant houses. The *absurd* thing is *many* of these houses have a giant look from the outside, but have just a useless high pitched attic with zero storage area, it is full of 2x4's in bracing. ie Joe and Jane build this macho house with a 16/12 pitch and the attic is useless. It is like a 1973 Chevy Monte Carlo car with a giant hood to look like one has a powerfull car.


There are actually TL washers bigger than this model; about 5.7 cubic feet


Post# 501587 , Reply# 17   3/5/2011 at 16:34 (4,851 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
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Right.

No one has that much washing...........

But it would be nice to have for big items like a king comforter that you can't get into the 3.7 cu ft washers etc............At least the one I had would not fit into my Duet.

This is made by Electrolux? Those look like LG baffles in that pic above....

I wonder if there is a hidden option deep in the controls to ADD more water like in the wave touch


Post# 501595 , Reply# 18   3/5/2011 at 17:03 (4,851 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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The "Quick Sanitize" cycle on my new Frigidaire provides only one rinse , so I'm guessing the same is true for this new Electrolux-made Kenmore.

 

These machines use so little water I would never allow a cycle with only one rinse. Also, the water doesn't get up to 152 degrees as it does in the regular Sanitize Cycle, which is 1:45 long.

 

I'm all for the huge tubs!  I've found that even tiny loads (1-4 items) are washed well and get lift-and-drop tumbling, just like a bigger load.  There was a lot more water in the tub with my 2002 Frigidaire, so small loads would just roll over and over at the bottom of the tub.  I like having the capacity to wash huge, heavy items like comforters. And at least two of my loads fill the tub completely each week---bath towels, and kitchen whites.


Post# 501784 , Reply# 19   3/6/2011 at 12:24 (4,850 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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the express sanitize cycle is the only cycle which attempts to use sanitize water temp.  And given what Eugene says above, combined with the fact you cannot increase soil level on that cycle to lengthen wash time to give more time for water heating, I don't like this machine.  I like the Frigilux version better because there's a regular Sanitize cycle as well as an Allergen cycle, neither of which are on the Kenmore version.  Sears offers numersous deliciate cycles instead. 


Post# 501808 , Reply# 20   3/6/2011 at 13:45 (4,850 days old) by brastemp (Brazil)        

About the motor: this washer works with Direct or Belt Drive?

Post# 501964 , Reply# 21   3/6/2011 at 19:13 (4,850 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Good Lord!!  The list price on these is $2000!!! 


Post# 502101 , Reply# 22   3/7/2011 at 05:47 (4,850 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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Right Appnut

But wouldn't that be the same as spending 300 dollars for a washer in 1972?

Of course, the 1972 washer would LAST


Post# 502190 , Reply# 23   3/7/2011 at 14:26 (4,849 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        

One could just buy three 600 bucks machines too.

Or buy just one or two and buy those 48 shirts!


Post# 502487 , Reply# 24   3/8/2011 at 17:45 (4,848 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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They are also available in Lemongrass!!!! (AKA Avocado) YUK!!!!

Post# 502540 , Reply# 25   3/8/2011 at 20:55 (4,848 days old) by appnut (TX)        
Lemongrass

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chuck, the images I saw of that color are different than the iconic avocado.  There's more "yellow" tones to it.  On the other side of the coin, I'm not too wild about the blackberry or some such berry color. 


Post# 504255 , Reply# 26   3/15/2011 at 12:13 (4,841 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
Now, LG

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Post# 504276 , Reply# 27   3/15/2011 at 13:19 (4,841 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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nice washer but at these prices i think thats its high robbery

Post# 504356 , Reply# 28   3/15/2011 at 19:55 (4,841 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Pricing Relative

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I think the pricing on the newer machines is relative. Someone has to pay for the technology being put into these new devices. Generally, it is the public that is willing to pay for new innovation. Sometimes the innovation is awesome and sometimes its a flop. The one thing LG has going for it is their talent for putting something in a pretty package.

Malcolm


Post# 504379 , Reply# 29   3/15/2011 at 22:04 (4,841 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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A lot of folks here may not be as excited to see LG products and how they have come to be.However, The latest issue of Consumer Reports rates their front loading washers and gas and electric dryers as the most reliable ones on the market. Their performance ratings too are very respectable.I have had them and am glad I did.They did a great job in getting my laundry spotless and the dryer dries really fast. Because of the direct drive mechanism, during the spin mode,the drum will spin either way,clockwise or counter clockwise depending on which way it is moving to sense the balance of the load. I found this out by accident when I was watching it run through the cycle. I had only seen it spin clockwise prior to this but,it went counter clockwise and made me wonder so much why that I emailed their customer service only to learn that it is normal for them to do that and their balance system along with the direct drive is why.

As far as their top loaders go, I am so impressed with it and would not even think of getting any other type of top loading washer.I've used the Whirlpool Cabrios and was not at all impressed.I like the LGs much better.They spin faster and move the clothes from top to bottom a lot more frequently.


Post# 504383 , Reply# 30   3/15/2011 at 22:11 (4,841 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

Persons at local laundromat arriving with one, two or several large bin liners full of laundry. Cram it all into the 50lb SQ washer (regardless of over loading or not), and start the machine. Darks, lites, whites, dog blankets, towels, the whole lot, in that one wash load.

Oh Laundress, you forgot to mention the soap suds shooting out of the soap dispenser on top of the machine as the machine is in motion. This is in both the wash and rinse cycles!


Post# 509127 , Reply# 31   4/4/2011 at 05:05 (4,822 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Post# 509146 , Reply# 32   4/4/2011 at 08:20 (4,822 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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nice and i also love the 18 minute wash cycle on this new washer model thank you for posting this

Post# 509295 , Reply# 33   4/4/2011 at 20:12 (4,821 days old) by appnut (TX)        
18 minute wash cycle

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Gee, a 5 minute wash, one or two quick rinses, with no spins inbetween, and a 5 minute final spin.  That's a cycle intended for 2 or 3 items and that's it, not a full load. 


Post# 509313 , Reply# 34   4/4/2011 at 21:24 (4,821 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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well for me its perfect full load or not its a time saver for me if i look at the 52 minute wash thats a complete waste of time if i had that kind of washer today it would always be set to the 18 minute wash with is more than engough at least for me in my case that is.

Post# 509363 , Reply# 35   4/5/2011 at 03:50 (4,821 days old) by aquarius8000 ()        
weird...

I never thought kenmore still made washers, well you learn somethin' new every day

Chris


Post# 509547 , Reply# 36   4/5/2011 at 19:49 (4,820 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Kenmore is only a brand name, they don't produce any appliances.  they source from manufacturers like Whirlpool, GE, LG, ...


Post# 509720 , Reply# 37   4/6/2011 at 12:16 (4,819 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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Persons at local laundromat arriving with one, two or several large bin liners full of laundry. Cram it all into the 50lb SQ washer (regardless of over loading or not), and start the machine. Darks, lites, whites, dog blankets, towels, the whole lot, in that one wash load.

Oh Laundress, you forgot to mention the soap suds shooting out of the soap dispenser on top of the machine as the machine is in motion. This is in both the wash and rinse cycles!




I can totally see this happening too. LOL! I'm glad I don't go to Laundromats. I couldn't stand to see something like that. All of that half A$$ washing and then baking it all back on in the dryer.........YUK!


Post# 509810 , Reply# 38   4/6/2011 at 20:19 (4,819 days old) by supremewhirlpol ()        
A mind F^^K is only good for some people...

Laundromat:

For the LG FL machines, You'll be impressed until the seal fails, trashes the bearings.  The water leaks out the back, ruins the hall-effect sensor, and the stator of the direct drive motor.  Then all of a sudden, it won't be quite as impressive as you think.

 

Mark_wpduet:

Have a good look at it! (duck and runs) lol!


Post# 1124604 , Reply# 39   7/31/2021 at 19:56 (1,050 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
sorry if I revive this thread.

If I'd use this laundry set. I'd mainly use the normal cycle for typical loads. If available, I'd use the whites cycle for whites.


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