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Post# 505441   3/20/2011 at 17:50 (4,865 days old) by nrones ()        

video says more than 1000 words..

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Post# 505446 , Reply# 1   3/20/2011 at 18:02 (4,865 days old) by solsburian (SE Northumberland)        

Looks like the woeful Indesit Drum strikes again.

Perhaps I should do one to Hoover Candy!


Post# 505449 , Reply# 2   3/20/2011 at 18:10 (4,865 days old) by nrones ()        
lol

Your hoover isn"t on that stage, it needs few more steps! :P

Post# 505450 , Reply# 3   3/20/2011 at 18:12 (4,865 days old) by solsburian (SE Northumberland)        

Well it is slowly destroying its self, perhaps I could speed it up with some bricks!

Post# 505455 , Reply# 4   3/20/2011 at 18:49 (4,865 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        
hmmmm

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judging by the state of the house and the attitude demonstrated in the video it belongs to some with shihmmmph for brains.

Dare I say that I think its been abused intentionally while someone was bored and no doubt having a hissy fit.

It would of had to have been full of clothes had this happened normally and there would of been fabric remains Id figure caught up in all that damage. Not to mention im sure had the machine done that they would be also ranting about clothes damage.

Mu 2 pence but the video seems spoof to me and proves nothing.


Post# 505489 , Reply# 5   3/20/2011 at 20:52 (4,865 days old) by FL1012 ()        

I thought the drum fiasco had been cured on recent models? As the video said (and is proven by the machines design) that machine is one of the current range/style.

Liam


Post# 505528 , Reply# 6   3/21/2011 at 02:03 (4,865 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

I guess that person's FL washer is "junk"Should that washer star in the "Krush" video of the Dennis Phenix trash truck VS the Hotpoint washer?and that horrible music is WORSE than the washer!

Post# 505612 , Reply# 7   3/21/2011 at 14:12 (4,864 days old) by dave886 (united kingdom)        
i'm even having doubts about hotpoint now

i think the glass door design of the hotpoint aqualtis needs to be looked at, i've notice really fine shaving of rubber on the drum rim, i think its where the laundry has spun on the rubber, in my zanussi this never accured unless a bra got caught during the spin cycle, and i used to fill my zaunssi 3/4 with clothes and towels 4/4 i continued to do the same with the hotpoint and ive notice some holes in garments ive notice with the aqualtis clothes tumble with out the door pushing the loose items back into the drum, or corners of the garments, where as the zaunssi the door would push loose items back into the drum with out it spinning on the rubber, im not sure if you know what im on about, because now im having to use a wash bag for loose items and fill the drum up to roughly 7kg maximum. as anyone had this problem before. please don't tell me that its due to me overloading the machine, because i never overload cheers

Post# 505620 , Reply# 8   3/21/2011 at 14:37 (4,864 days old) by nrones ()        
I did!

Dave, this was one of the things I was telling you about when you were considering..
At least to me it happend with the "rubber triangle" that is supposed to push clothes back to the drum when distributing.. it seems that clothes are constantly hitting it, and rubbing the rubber of them, so at the end of the wash on the rubber seal you get something like you filled the rubber with some kind of powder, but made of rubber.. ofcourse clothes are being damaged too, and there are holes showing on them...

Aquarius1984... this video is funny edited, but the point seems to be very true.. It seems this all started when the paddle falled off, which is soo common on Indesit washers (for years), then it just continued damaging the drum more, and more...


Post# 505642 , Reply# 9   3/21/2011 at 15:58 (4,864 days old) by dave886 (united kingdom)        
@nrones

this is my only flaw with this machine otherwise so far so good, if this carrys on imma have to get an exchange, because this is unacceptable

Post# 505660 , Reply# 10   3/21/2011 at 17:04 (4,864 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy)        
Need room to get into the drum.

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Hi Dave

You're stuffing 7kgs in your machine... what's its max capacity then? Your mentioning the Zanussi's doors reminded me of one thing I actually like about them... it's the fact that the deep conformation of the glass bowl is likely to keep the clothes off the front of the bellows and well into the drum. Still, I wonder whether it would work the same way with an overloaded drum.

My beloved Hoover has scuffed a few items a couple of times due to the same reason as you stated above, however on those occasions the drum had been over-crammed with clothes (7kgs would do for a 6kg washer). The thing is, the clothes have to have enough space to get into the drum during distribution or even when the spin phase starts.

I'm not in the habit of overloading the washer, but if I have to, I cancel the spin cycle and set a separate spin only later when I'm there... you can usually hear an abnormal noise if this happens and see some garments sticking out the lip of the drum, so I can stop the washer before any damage can occur.


Post# 505842 , Reply# 11   3/22/2011 at 11:18 (4,863 days old) by dave886 (united kingdom)        
@Haxisfan what's its max capacity then?

the max capacity is 9kg and then later found out in the manual that the drum is only 62 liters what the hell! 9kg is usually 68literes, don't get me wrong it washes clothes really good, my whites are bright every time, but i think the manufacture should make little adjustments to this machine then it would be a good all rounder, i want an exchange and just fork out extra for an overrated mid range machine (*huffs miele*) i really can't have my clothes being damaged, there are expensive

Post# 505847 , Reply# 12   3/22/2011 at 11:26 (4,863 days old) by hoover1100 (U.K.)        
9kg is usually 68 litres

To realistically wash 9kg you need a 90 litre drum in even the most well designed machines!

An Aqualtis does hold a large amount of washing, but it just goes to show how much 6kg of laundry really is!

Matt


Post# 505866 , Reply# 13   3/22/2011 at 12:19 (4,863 days old) by matthewza (Cape Town, South Africa)        

wow
think i'm glad we dont have hotpoint in SA...


Post# 505874 , Reply# 14   3/22/2011 at 13:10 (4,863 days old) by dave886 (united kingdom)        
@matthewza

don't speak too soon

Post# 505886 , Reply# 15   3/22/2011 at 15:09 (4,863 days old) by nrones ()        
Really?

hoover1100,
I really don"t know what you wanted to say, but the manufacturer that puts the least laundry in the drum liter capacity is Miele..unfortunatley new 8kg models prooved that they are starting to put more in the same drums.. anyway even when we look @ 6kg miele from "good time" Aqualtis"s drum is muuuch bigger than it is, so to be honest, I don"t know the manufacturer that respects 10l ->1kg... only in commercial washers.
I mean, I know Candy and Indesit are keeping record with 9kg 62l, and 10kg 74l, but deffinatley haven"t seen the 10-1 drum


Post# 505895 , Reply# 16   3/22/2011 at 15:45 (4,863 days old) by hoover1100 (U.K.)        
I really don"t know what you wanted to say

I'm saying most, if not all domestic machines now claim to hold more laundry than physically possible into their drums and still get good results.

Even Miele do slightly over-exaggerate the amount of laundry their machines hold, but at least the 6kg (55l) drum Miele will take a good 5.5kg load at still wash at optimum performance. It's easy to forget how much laundry that actually is though! A full load from my Mum's Miele W3204 is far too much to fit into her "7kg" Zanussi dryer, unless you like ironing!

The worst offenders are Candy, Indesit and LG, 11kg in a 78litre drum...yeah right!

I used to think it would be a good idea if capacity were advertised in drum volume like in the U.S., but from what I hear, those are often over-exaggerated too, and because they don't have to say how full you can fill the drum, it seems they often cannot be filled full and provide optimum wash results.

Matt


Post# 505905 , Reply# 17   3/22/2011 at 16:18 (4,863 days old) by Samsungfl (United Kingdom/London )        
Interesting Thread......

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Its a shame how these machines fail to this extent in such a short space of time to be honest, terrible when you think people part with their money and get a badly built appliance, esspecially a TOL machine like in the video.

Think this thread however could do with being brought back to what it was initially about, dont meant to sound negative or anything here guys but many of these types of threads always end up boiling down to capacity rating of machines, and of course the whole debate of Hoover/Candy being compared to Miele.

I think maybe focusing on the point at hand would be better instead of starting another debate of this sort which dosnt get anywhere

Rich


Post# 505906 , Reply# 18   3/22/2011 at 16:22 (4,863 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy)        
Another hype...

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I see... it seems to be a trend nowadays with most (or all) manufacturers to push their machines to the limit in their relentless struggle to baffle the public... astonishingly even Miele have done this with some of their recent models... but to a smaller extent.

It is, in a way, the same principle as… you've probably seen on a different thread which has been opened here recently about a machine with a 12 minute wash cycle: the primary purpose of cleaning laundry is somewhat served…

A 62 litre drum will probably accommodate 9kgs of non bulky items (thrusted in forcibly... but not towels please) and wash them sufficiently given the prolonged cycle times, provided that they are lightly/normally soiled...

Likewise... a 12 minute wash cycle will wet the laundry sufficiently (if meant for a petit load) to make it appear... rather damp at the end... well, given the short duration of the spin cycle too), however, all this becomes inflated and amplified by the media through advertising and marketing techniques.

I have noticed the difference in drum volume between my recent 6 kg Hoover and my parents’ old 6 kg washer: the Hoover has a visibly smaller drum... but the difference doesn't seem huge... I haven't measured them but I will one day :-)
Although, I tend to accept this situation cos' I can still load the washer to near enough its capacity obtaining more than reasonable results (using long cycles), yet, it's enough to go above its declared capacity by a few hundred grams of laundry to see all the typical symptoms of an overloaded appliance!

In your case… having to load the machine 2kgs under its declared capacity seems a bit extreme… although 7kgs of laundry is quite a bulk… and… as Matt suggested, even 6kg of laundry is more than we might first think... well… I’ll second that… and I’m sure my dryer and my clothes airers would too!


Post# 505915 , Reply# 19   3/22/2011 at 17:22 (4,863 days old) by nrones ()        
There are professionals testing for certificate out there!

You know how many independent labs are there? And those efficial which are giving the washer A rated wash/water/energy?

There is optimum for an A rated wash, and machine HAS to physicly hold written on KG so it can go on the market like that. The only bad thing is that is 9kg of (like hand towel) cotton peaces, thin like bed sheet - so 9kg of bigger towels... not possible even some of them say 9kg-"13 large bath towels".

My slimmy G.Plus has a 50l drum (which is a sucsess for a 40cm machine since every other except indesit have SHAME of small drums.. will make a thread about that when I get the pics of them all).. anyway I managed to put inthere 7.5kg, and for fun I started the cycle, it washed, but when the interm.spin started, that was a problem.. impossible to get to a spin due to balance problems (in that load were mostly towels, and bed sheets), so I think that 7kg of small cotton sheets would deffinatley doo.

Anyway, it"s all sh*t.. those numbers saying how many KG can go is just to say to ordinary guy "Hey! This one has bigger drum than other", no one is going to measure on the scale literally KG"s (except us here xD), just going to put as much as customer think appropriate.
Only one thing is sure, people buy high capacity ones to have less loads per week, and both Candy and Indesit made people do the laundry less, because they really have bigger and wider drums.


Post# 506139 , Reply# 20   3/23/2011 at 12:06 (4,862 days old) by dave886 (united kingdom)        
@Haxisfan

i think hotpoint aka indesit company should follow the engineering of electrolux drums

Post# 506152 , Reply# 21   3/23/2011 at 14:16 (4,862 days old) by nrones ()        

How do you mean electrolux drum engeneering? :)

Post# 506439 , Reply# 22   3/24/2011 at 11:53 (4,861 days old) by dave886 (united kingdom)        
@nrones

electrolux who manufacture zanussi AEG, Fridgedare etc... has better built drums than hotpoint & hoover/candy by far! not just aqualtis model that rip clothes its a few others which do, i should of thought it out better instead of listening to what most people said and stick with my usually brand settle like siemems, LG or zanussi. i've realized i just have to work around my machine and loaded it with even less clothes.


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