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Post# 510594   4/10/2011 at 08:41 (4,627 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

indesit is appering on watchdog on bbc next week as the moon washer has a special feature A MOLDY SEAL! whch is washing mould into your laundry.
my take on the moon is more beuty than itelegence and relaiblility
also it is brainless as the supposed boil wash is only 60*c not enouch to kill bacteria.
what's your take on this?

Post# 510602 , Reply# 1   4/10/2011 at 09:27 (4,627 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy)        
Indesit Moon -> Beauty -> Naaahhhhh!!

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How can it be beauty... it looks like a constipated parallelepipedon!!

Anyway... as far as I know... a temperature of 60 degrees is enough to kill bacteria should it be maintained for half an hour or longer. Having said that, Personally, I wouldn't like the idea of not being able to use a washing machine for a boil wash.

Post# 510605 , Reply# 2   4/10/2011 at 09:50 (4,627 days old) by dave886 (united kingdom)        

why am i not surprised? that washing machine is not even edible; you can't even see what going. they had it coming! when is this coming on?

Post# 510610 , Reply# 3   4/10/2011 at 10:31 (4,627 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

the machine isnt that good atall. but i am shocked that watchdog havent picked up on this fault when the machine was launched in 2006.
60'c isnt hot enough for a boilwash

Post# 510612 , Reply# 4   4/10/2011 at 10:50 (4,627 days old) by nrones ()        
No matter how I dislike Indesit

I like the idea! It could have just been developed more.
Tbh I dislike that it "stole" the Aquamatic dispenser design..but it can go. Programmes are what I dislike..
Anyway - about it being simple: "You just hit the button..." - nothing more simple than rotating knob for one or 2 steps, and hitting start button (well, if it is so hard to rotate knob...)

Post# 510614 , Reply# 5   4/10/2011 at 11:03 (4,627 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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My neighbour has a Moon - worst machine I've EVER used. And yes, his had a mouldy seal that is near impossible to clean!

Post# 510621 , Reply# 6   4/10/2011 at 12:06 (4,626 days old) by nrones ()        
THE fail?
That was one of the websites for reviews... Indesit Moon deffinatley has 1star... well, on most of them.
I wanted you to see this website ( because literally ALL machines are rated badly there (including Miele) :O

Post# 510639 , Reply# 7   4/10/2011 at 14:38 (4,626 days old) by mrx ()        

The Indesit Moon was a bit of a gimmick.
Just proves that you would be better to stick to relatively well-proven designs.

Post# 510640 , Reply# 8   4/10/2011 at 14:50 (4,626 days old) by solsburian (SE Northumberland)        

The Moon did strike me odd given that people seem to like having a wide range of programme options, while the Moon has so few. However, from what I understand it is good at rinsing because it uses infrared to detect how cloudy the rinse water is, adjusting the cycle accordingly.

Post# 510649 , Reply# 9   4/10/2011 at 15:40 (4,626 days old) by ultimafan ()        

I can understand Indesit appearing on Watchdog, but for the wrong reason! I expected the BBC to get wind of the exploding washer issue on Hotpoint/Indesit and put in a full report on this. But then the Moon is a really shoddy washing machine, so I can see it on Watchdog.

Post# 510666 , Reply# 10   4/10/2011 at 16:35 (4,626 days old) by nrones ()        
infrared rinses....

Do you really belive it"s so smart washer? xD
Those adverts made me LAUGH... you know specially when FW30 "it detects if water is dirty or clear, so it starts FW30 or rinse-only cycle"... well, if machine takes detergent water will be "dirty" aswell as if wet cloth full of dtrgnt was put there, just running standard FW30, results are same as it was rinse xD.. It is way tooo standard machine, programmes (traditional way): number 1, 60
number3, 40 but 1000rpm, etc.. NO OPTIONS lol xD
I don"t think that Watchdog talked about explosions because there isn"t much stuff on the media and from the people about that. I mean when you search through Indesit MOON reviews, of 93reviews 90 were complaining about mold.. and few websites go on like that - that"s a very big amount of people... I mean I know explosions are much more important, but bigger attention is on this.

Now, since I live in Serbia, and I"m not able to watch a Watchdog is there a link so I can see it too? thanks :)

Post# 510670 , Reply# 11   4/10/2011 at 17:08 (4,626 days old) by solsburian (SE Northumberland)        

The Infrared idea seems like a good idea, its a shame it's not used in other machines, but I guess the extra water consumption would put manufacturers off.

Watchdog will probably be on BBC iPlayer, you will have to use a UK proxy to see it. They many do a article with a video clip on their website, or it may turn up on Youtube at some point.

Post# 510713 , Reply# 12   4/10/2011 at 19:12 (4,626 days old) by FL1012 ()        

I think Miele use a similar idea on some of their machines. However i think it's more or less unheard of in other cheaper models like the Moon.

The Moon has never appealed to me because of not being able to see the washing whilst the machine is on, but i do think a mouldy seal is abit of a non-story -lots of washing machines can suffer this to a degree.

I'd have thought using the time to warn people of Indesit's splitting drums would have been time better spent.


Post# 511487 , Reply# 13   4/14/2011 at 15:08 (4,622 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

the mould contains e-coli viruses. you can catch up on bbc iplayer for more info

Post# 511491 , Reply# 14   4/14/2011 at 16:02 (4,622 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
So do....

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all other washing machines that has mold growing in it, like we say

leave door ajar
use proprietary bio powder with bleach
use hot washes regulary
or do a hotter maintainence wash
dont use super concentrate fab con in large doses, a drop will do

on the moon, squeeze out the filter door drip sponge

Interesting on the examples on the programme, gel detergents where seen near the machine!!!

Post# 511594 , Reply# 15   4/15/2011 at 05:18 (4,622 days old) by SuperElectronic (London, UK)        
Having watched too...

...I'd like to invite Anne Robinson and her crew to pop their hands into 60*C water and still describe it as "warm"!

And as for the owners: pull your finger out and clean the damn door seal and dispenser more often!

I don't think any of the team - including the microbiology expert - were particularly enthused by the subject matter to be honest.

It's all very well advising consumers to run an empty maintenance cycle at 95*C (or as hot as the machine will get) but given new machines run with so little water there just isn't sufficient turbulence and contact with the cleaning solution to wash the tub and door seal properly. Case in point: my sister had a Bosch Maxx machine that wasn't running properly. I took a quick look - couldn't really diagnose anything but did notice a build up of gunk in the door seal and tub. She said she'd only just run an empty boil wash but when I ran the separate rinse at high level a lot of black gunk started floating in the water as a result of the increased water level and associated turbulence. It's probably just better to use the hot wash with good stout detergent on some or other load regularly these days.

Post# 511595 , Reply# 16   4/15/2011 at 05:20 (4,622 days old) by SuperElectronic (London, UK)        

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Post# 511611 , Reply# 17   4/15/2011 at 07:39 (4,622 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Maintenance Washes

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Many of the new machines like Gorenje now have Tub Clean Maintenance Programmes which simply heat the water to very hot and spin the drum at speed sloshing all the water solution all over the inner & outer tub!!!

The Hotpoint engineers of old used a similar trick when the first washer dryers came out, they would place some large cotton towels in the drum and spin them, the force of all the water spinning used to clear any lint from the outer tubs!!!

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Post# 511638 , Reply# 18   4/15/2011 at 11:52 (4,622 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

That "steriltub" advert looks like it was made after playing "Worms" ahahhaha :)

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Post# 512280 , Reply# 19   4/19/2011 at 03:34 (4,618 days old) by securitybearuk ()        
Seal of disaproval

The dirty seal could also be down to the use of the new washing products thats on the market, the ones with the bursts of fragrances in them. They could also be adding to the problem of the dirty seal, plain and simple cleaning and wiping out the machine at regular intervals will help immensly. More importantly LEAVE THE OPEN AFTER WASHING UNTILL YOU ARE READY TO WASH AGAIN, this airs our the machine and the smell wont return.

QUESTION do the likes of calgon work to prevent lime scale build up, I think so what do you guys think.

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Post# 512318 , Reply# 20   4/19/2011 at 08:24 (4,618 days old) by solsburian (SE Northumberland)        

The water where I live is borderline soft/medium. I don't use Calgon as soap powder (well Ariel and Persil at least) already has the anti limescale agents in it.

Post# 512323 , Reply# 21   4/19/2011 at 08:47 (4,618 days old) by FL1012 ()        
Indesit Moon.....

I thought when watching the video on Watchdog that alot of the mould build up must surely be down to the detergent compartment in the door getting sludged-up & then remaining damp for a prolonged period of time - the damp then causing mould growth.

If the compartment was cleaned out regularly, it'd dry alot quicker & less (if any) mould would form. The problem is, Indesit claimed it was 'self cleaning'. Obviously if you see the state of the compartments after use it's obvious Indesit are spouting a touch of bullsh*t, however if they encouraged people to treat the compartments like a powder drawer & clean it, this problem probably wouldn't have made it to Watchdog.

With regards to Calgon, we have used it on occasion here as our water is pretty hard (our kettle was full of lumps of limescale within 4 months of buying it new). However we only really put Calgon in the older machines as most new washers will die from bearing or electronic failure a long time before limescale takes its toll i think.


Post# 512565 , Reply# 22   4/20/2011 at 07:03 (4,617 days old) by hotpoint9534 (UK)        

Yes it's amazing how many people don't carry out simple day to day cleaning and maintenance on their machines. I've seen so many moldy door seals in recent years, mainly on ebay examples. The Indesit Moon design certainly doesn't help this, and as Liam says Indesit shouldn't have claimed the compartment was self cleaning if it wasn't.

Personally, I wouldn't buy a machine where I couldn't see what was going on. I can see why that wouldn't bother some people. But I certainly wouldn't buy a machine without a 95c programme. This should have been included, even if a certain key combination was needed to run it.


Post# 513949 , Reply# 23   4/26/2011 at 14:07 (4,610 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        

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The main ingredient to get rid of the black mouldy door seal is neat thick bleach applied all over & in the folds of the seal. Then close the door & leave it over night for the bleach to do its job. After that add a touch of fabric conditioner into the main wash compartment of the soap drawer & then put it on the highest possible temperature wash programme. Always works for me.

Post# 513964 , Reply# 24   4/26/2011 at 15:04 (4,610 days old) by ultimafan ()        

I think it's due to the silliness of low wash temperatures, low water temperatures, and these gels and concentrates that has caused a surge in mould in machines. I reckon that if the owners of Indesit moons used a 40-60 degree wash instead of 30, used powder instead of gel, and ran a maintenance wash even at 60 degrees (run it empty with powder) we wouldn't have such an issue. It gets my goat because once upon a time top loading machines and twin tubs used so much water and got everything out, yet today they expect the same to happen with a teacup of water and a massive 7kg load, at cold temperature and to top it all off, a teaspoon of detergent. The machine not having a 95 degree setting doesn't help either. Personally, the Indesit moon could have been a notch worse than a standard machine due to the design of the compartment, and its lack of 95, but really it should be the concentrated detergents hauled to watchdog. I insist on using powder in washes, even if it is budget brand.

Post# 513965 , Reply# 25   4/26/2011 at 15:05 (4,610 days old) by ultimafan ()        

I meant low water levels instead of low water temperatures twice!

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