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Post# 515239   5/2/2011 at 15:20 (4,593 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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So...Kevins thread about machines in the Philippines got me to thinking once I saw a electrolux machine with the general sort of look of a normal zanussi washer but with a vestel drum...I know vestel have made some cheap machines for elux sold through independants etc...

So I thought i'd take a look at electrolux china's website with the help of google chrome translating and I found 3 basic models with the normalish style electrolux design so i've posted a pic..followed by a vestel. I assume this is the future so to speak of such a fantastic company slowly diminishing.

Darren


Post# 515241 , Reply# 1   5/2/2011 at 15:24 (4,593 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Vestel..

Post# 515251 , Reply# 2   5/2/2011 at 15:56 (4,592 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

i knew elux were going down hill when my old zanussi would spin and and cause the drum to ricashet around and the door never locked. it was pretty mutch a shit machine to start with and the back plate was wafer thin plastic

Post# 515257 , Reply# 3   5/2/2011 at 16:03 (4,592 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy)        
That Vestel looks like Swan in the UK

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The washer on the second pic looks exactly the same as the 'Swan' washing machines sold on Very.co.uk

Check the link below.


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Post# 515263 , Reply# 4   5/2/2011 at 16:35 (4,592 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        

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Oh great....electrolux is moving again possibly....

 

Most of the Electrolux machines that we get here are made in Thailand as it is......


Post# 515406 , Reply# 5   5/3/2011 at 09:37 (4,592 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK)        

Electrolux may be going down hill, but with them releasing those brilliant new AEGs I am sure that only the lower end is going down hill!

Post# 515430 , Reply# 6   5/3/2011 at 12:29 (4,592 days old) by ultimafan ()        
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I found an example of this last year with the Zanussi being of the same company, a total shocker, which was on John Lewis. Maybe they're outsourcing for their cheaper machines. I thought initally the Aeg Protex was of the same quality,like Vestel and Hec (the door reminded and still does of a HEC), but I've proved myself wrong as they are indeed AEG machines with a touch of Electrolux Insight, as the base of the machine is very much AEG. Strangely enough, their new brochure doesn't have any washer dryers, and their website features the previous range models.

Here is the pic again of that dreaded Zanussi


Post# 515565 , Reply# 7   5/4/2011 at 06:15 (4,591 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Budget machines have been introduced (prefix ZWG) to compete with the low end price range for internet and "Specials" deals....interesting as they seem to be stalling with people wanting the "Zanussi Quality" that they have come to know!! (or had known)... I'm sticking with the proven....



Post# 515581 , Reply# 8   5/4/2011 at 07:34 (4,591 days old) by ultimafan ()        
budget electrolux machines

I think there's still some hope for the budget line Mike and Darren, because IKEA have introduced freestanding washing machines into their kitchen range, and they are defo zanussis, instead of going for cheap vestel machinery like many other manufacturers seem to be going for. The budget line model is 250, not bad for an electrolux with 1200 spin.

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Post# 515582 , Reply# 9   5/4/2011 at 07:35 (4,591 days old) by ultimafan ()        
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and a more stylish black IKEA washer, why Zanussi still haven't bothered making a black coloured range I don't know...

Post# 515604 , Reply# 10   5/4/2011 at 09:58 (4,591 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Ohh

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Now they look smart...

Post# 515605 , Reply# 11   5/4/2011 at 09:59 (4,591 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        
smart dangrous crap...

is what these look like to me!

Post# 515609 , Reply# 12   5/4/2011 at 10:24 (4,591 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Based on....

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What Exactly??

This is a forum for open & fair discussion, we have the ability to offer our opinion and its only fair to listen to all, BUT coming out with crass oneliners gets us nowhere...especially coming from the "Washing Machine Capital of the World" Smile


Post# 515617 , Reply# 13   5/4/2011 at 10:40 (4,591 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

well Mike i had a genine itallian zanussi in november, the drum would always ricishet around the and hit the cabinat, the bak was made of tin flimsy plastic (which i had noticed a large crack on when zanussi came to pick it up) and the doorlock dident work and it nearly took my hand off! i was told by a qualified engineer that it shoulent have even been on the market or left the factory fro that matter. it would never balance a load and the feet were also level, i had it for a week before in realzed that it started making a loud grinding noise and the concrect block was hitting the main pcb. traiding standerds got ivolved and i got my money back and bougt my beko. please note thst the beko is my collection machine not a replacement for my aqualtis

Post# 515619 , Reply# 14   5/4/2011 at 10:47 (4,591 days old) by hoover1100 (U.K.)        
One single faulty machine

An entire brand's machines cannot be judged because of one single faulty machine, as the vast majority of them will be much more trouble-free.

The real Zanussis may not be a patch on their fantastic models in the past, but isn't that true of most brands?


I'd certainly choose one over the similarly priced Haier/Vestel/Indesit-Hotpoint/Candy-Hoover/Bekos on the market today!

Matt




Post# 515620 , Reply# 15   5/4/2011 at 11:00 (4,591 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

i have been swarn off them zanussis Matt. it really put me off it is my oppinion. i live in wales and iff hoover were still built like tanks you can bet ya boots i wouldve goten one!

Post# 515719 , Reply# 16   5/4/2011 at 22:18 (4,590 days old) by FL1012 ()        
ZWG.....confused

Im abit confused about the ZWG models. The models Darren & Ultimafan posted definately don't look like a Zanussi (Electrolux) product, so it's right to be wary of these. However, there are some ZWG models such as the ZWG6165 pictured below that look just like an Electrolux product. In the photographs on websites such as Currys & Comet, there are a range of machines that look like this, badged EasyIron or FlexiDose. Due to its absence they look like they've replaced the bulk of the 'Essential' range.

The control panels follow the same template as the Essential & Jetsystem models (badged ZWF) and some have the identical rectangular filter door. The control panel writing & main programmer knob is very similar to the last of the Tricity Bendix machines i've seen in the UK, which makes me think Zanussi is still making SOME ZWG models in-house, with just a handful of machines including the ZWG1140M made by external companies.

I also think the Ikea machines are Zanussi (Electrolux) made - the white one pictured above looks like a ZWG5125 on Currys website:
www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/zanussi-zwg...

and the black one looks like the ZWG7120P, albeit in a different colour:
www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/zanussi-zwg...

The only thing that throws me abit is the lack of filter door on one Ikea & one Currys machine respectively, especially as the Ikea one WITH filter appears not to have one on Currys website & vice versa. This could ofcourse just be down to photoshopping the images.

Photo below of ZWG6165, which i reckon is still a proper Zanussi machine, possibly based on a late Tricity Bendix model.


Post# 515721 , Reply# 17   5/4/2011 at 22:23 (4,590 days old) by FL1012 ()        
And now....

one to be more wary of, the ZWG1120M.

As you can see the main programmer is on the right of the control panel, not something Zanussi have done for a while. The LED display is also centrally located, instead of on the top right. The filter is also mounted behind a plastic fold-down flap, rather than a rectangular door as on their other models. Reports suggest these models actually 'feel' more robust than their traditional counterparts, though i'd be more wary until a few have proved themselves in peoples homes.


Post# 515741 , Reply# 18   5/4/2011 at 23:20 (4,590 days old) by FL1012 ()        
NB

It's the first image posted by Ultimafan that i think doesn't look like a Zanussi (Electrolux) machine - i didn't see that it was Ultimafan that also posted the Ikea models. Im pretty sure these are proper Zanussi (Electrolux).

Like Matt, i also don't think it's fair to write-off a brand based on one or even a handful of failures. I don't work with appliances on a daily bases, but i have friends & family with a range of makes of appliance including Candy, Hotpoint, Bosch & Zanussi & it's fair to say that Zanussi has proven to be the most reliable & longest lasting brand, even though there are more of their machines amongst friends/family than any other brand.

Just between me & my immediate family we have two washing machines, a dishwasher & a fridge freezer of between 3 & 6 years old:

Zanussi 'Aquacycle' W/M 1600 5.5kg - ZWX1605 (2005)
Zanussi 'Essential' W/M 1400 6kg - ZWF14170W (2007)
Zanussi 'Progress AAA' D/W - ZDF511 (2008)
Zanussi Frost Free 50/50 F/F - (2008)

& none have broken down. Between me, my Parents, Sister & Gran we have a further 12 Zanussi, Electrolux or Tricity Bendix appliances older than 6 years but still made within the last 20 years (majority of which are 10 this year):

Zanussi 'Electronic Sensor' Dryer - TDS483EW (1997 Approx)
Zanussi 'Turbodry 1000' W/D - WDA1055W (2001)
Zanussi Built-In Oven - (2001)
Zanussi Built-In Hob/Extractor - (2001)
Zanussi Built-In Dishwasher - ZDI6041 (2001)
Zanussi Built-In Fridge - (2001)
Zanussi Built-In Frost Free Freezer - (2001)
Electrolux 'Premier Eco' Tall Fridge - (2001)
Electrolux 'Premier Eco' Tall Freezer - (2001)
Electrolux 'Premier' Condensor Dryer - TDC1000W (2001)
Tricity Bendix 'Tiara' Oven - (1995 Approx)
Tricity Bendix W/M - AW405 (1994 Approx)

& the only problems we've encountered is a snapped door handle on our Elecrolux freezer at about 7 years old & door release failure on our Condensor Dryer at about 5 years.

By comparison my Aunties 2009 Candy Activa Smart washing machine, whilst still working at 2 years old, has smelt of burning periodically. My grans 2007 Bosch Classixx dishwasher lasted 18months (doing 3 loads a week) before the PCB failed, my mates integrated Hotpoint washer dryer needed 2 call outs in 12 months to rectify faults and our neigbours 2009 Hotpoint WML540G has needed new drum & bearings at 18months. Another neighbours Bosch washer from around 2001 only did 5 years before it broke beyond repair aswell - 5 years service from a washer now is quite acceptable, but in 2001 it was rather poor.

Obviously my example is not an exact science, but the fact that more Hotpoint and Bosch machines have failed early even though their sample size is far smaller than that of the Electrolux group, says something to me about overall quality of Electrolux products. A quick look on eBay at appliances for 'spares or repairs' displays a similar picture, albeit Bosch seem to have done slightly worse amongst my family & friends than they do generally.

I hope Electrolux don't let standards slip any further, as they had got a good reputation. But for now at least, i feel more confident spending my money on them than any other make this side of Miele.

Liam.


Post# 515976 , Reply# 19   5/6/2011 at 08:49 (4,589 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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The lack of filter!

The flexidose model has a strange new filter system. the drum looks a little like the insight models with the wavey paddles...then there is one HUGE paddle that looks like a bosch paddle...you line that up with a line on the doorseal that says "filter" you undo the paddle and the filter is in the sump! crazy!

Now the 1600rpm model that currys do has the same zanussi drum as were used to but doesn't have a filter! cost cutting perhaps? I have every reason to believe these are still 100% in house produced machines. as are the ikea machines.

Now the models i've posted and the hidious comet special liam posted are outsourced crap. Sadly.

Darren


Post# 515996 , Reply# 20   5/6/2011 at 10:45 (4,589 days old) by paulc (Edinburgh, Scotland)        
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I looked at the flexidose machine today in Currys, the dispenser does not have a pre-wash compartment although it has a pre-wash programme.

Post# 515997 , Reply# 21   5/6/2011 at 10:57 (4,589 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        
@Paulc

i wonderd the same thing and new zanussi's have started to grow on me again!

Post# 515999 , Reply# 22   5/6/2011 at 11:23 (4,589 days old) by FL1012 ()        
Filters, etc.......

Hmmm. I can see that new filter system being ignored by a few, which will no doubt lead to people thinking the machine has broke when it stops draining because of a blocked filter. People already seem to forget to empty the filters on many other makes of machine where the filter is hidden behind a plinth (like on Indesit, Hoover etc). Even when the filter is more obvious like on Beko & Zanussi, some people still don't work it out, so this concealed affair isn't gonna hit the mark i feel.

As for the machine without any filter, this is bizzare. Zanussi have always had filters for as long as i can remember. This is a step in the wrong direction i think.

With regard to the Prewash section in the detergent drawer, i was lead to believe from a Zanussi video i saw that there is an interchangeable section that you can alter depending on whether you use liquid or powder. I'd imagine you have to do something with this if youre using the prewash program, though without seeing the machine in the metal, im not quite sure what the procedure would be. Hearing Darren's findings on the filter, maybe theyve decided people don't want anywhere to put prewash detergent ;-)

Liam


Post# 516063 , Reply# 23   5/6/2011 at 18:16 (4,588 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
Are we sure 'filter'....

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is the right term?

 

I only ask, because having had cause to open and remove it once, it is certainly not normally capable of filtering anything 'fine', such as lint...that is, unless you wash something that almost falls apart....

 

I would have thought that 'button trap' would have been a more appropriate turn of phrase for filters in front load machines - indeed, no Australian made Hoovers ever had one....


Post# 516066 , Reply# 24   5/6/2011 at 18:36 (4,588 days old) by FL1012 ()        

Well, in the UK we call them filters but youre right, as the ones ive seen would only really stop buttons, coins & large pieces of fluff getting to the pump. On our newer Zanussi it looks a very curious design that may even struggle to catch buttons. See link.

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Post# 516067 , Reply# 25   5/6/2011 at 18:41 (4,588 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy)        
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You're right... button trap or coin trap is a more appropriate term to describe this kind of contrivance in modern machines... in fact it doesn't ever need cleaning... hence the term 'self cleaning'!

I used to clean it in the Hoover (UK/EU) twice a year but now I've got to the point that I don't bother for a whole year or longer as it never gets dirty.

I've included a link below where I perform some biannual maintenance with the washer... I take the filter out at time 9:00 in the clip.


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Post# 516143 , Reply# 26   5/7/2011 at 05:44 (4,588 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Hmm we occasionally call the filter a coin trap..generally in the repair trade they do.

Liam: The zanussi without the filter, zanussi state on the sticker which I left on the machine that the pump is a self cleaning type but to check it occasionally for objects. Its not like old filters the the perforated plastic etc.

Even my oldschool zanussi never has much need to be cleaned! But I dislike the idea of not having the option which would result in an unnecessary call out which was always the case with hoover and hotpoint machines.

The flexidose model has literally a mainwash and a fabric softener compartment thats it! I did not see anything in the drum which would allow the use of prewash detergent. I find this a strange model in that if you use P&G you'd have to dose the gels in the drum. unless u use persil, surf or own brand liquids then you could dose via the drawer!

I dislike the fact they can't even put progress indicators on the BOL models like mine. It drives me insane. I have just bought a new machine from another brand because the lack of extra rinse, progress indicators and time remaining and lack of 30degree temp drive me insane!

Darren






Post# 516186 , Reply# 27   5/7/2011 at 11:55 (4,588 days old) by nrones ()        
I saw Zanussi Flex dose

And I really don't understand it!

Can somebody tell me what is that small detergent draw, like on Candy Aquamatics for? and how is it flexible?

Dex


Post# 516315 , Reply# 28   5/8/2011 at 03:09 (4,587 days old) by FL1012 ()        
Filter/Coin Trap/Whatever....

These newer ones like that fitted to my Parents 2007 Zanussi Essential look self-cleaning (unlike the older mesh ones) but we have had some build-up in ours after a couple of months, especially when washing new towels & such like.

Also it was only a few weeks ago that someone mentioned a Hoover that was to be scrapped as it wouldn't drain & upon investigation the filter was found to be blocked, so i don't think people should totally trust the 'self cleaning' label. If it was THAT self cleaning then there wouldn't be an inspection cover!


Darren - what you gone & bought now?! I take it Zanussi havn't responded to your email/letter?

I thought the new FlexiDose machines still didn't have progress indicators, but DO have an LED display to display Time Remaining. They also have an Extra Rinse button & 30c setting on the variable temp control.

Liam


Post# 516316 , Reply# 29   5/8/2011 at 03:40 (4,587 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy)        
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Hi Liam... I wasn't taking for granted the self cleaning factor of these newer filters (well, newer to an extent... my sister 18 year old washer has the exact same component as my 6.5 year old 'modern' washer... we can practically swap them). I was just trying to say that they really are low maintenance compared to the older ones: my parents old mid 70's model required a filter clean at least once a month. I attached a link below... if you wish to see it forward the video to 5.00 minutes.

As for a blocked filter, it's not always the case that the pump is blocked because of build-ups, the motor that drives the pump might occasionally be the culprit. I still believe that all washers should have a user accessible filter regardless.


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