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Miele W1986 defaults to 4th rinse
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Post# 516334   5/8/2011 at 08:50 (4,792 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Twice now when I have been washing bath sheets with Tide HE powder and STPP the machine has defaulted to a 4th rinse. I guess I was not careful in loading them and they had trouble distributing for the first spin. If the load distributes evenly, the machine will very slowly ramp up to full speed which usually spins out the wash water so gradually that there is no problem. If, however, the load does not distribute evenly after two or three tries, the machine just hauls off and goes into a spin that is slow enough to prevent crashing and banging from the unbalanced load, but is fast enough to spin out lots of water at once. With these bath sheets, that means it soon is choked with suds and has to stop and drain. It tried that twice, without success, so the load did not spin very much then, when the timer was about to show 35 minutes remaining and go into the first of three rinses, the time suddenly changed to 45 minutes and it began filling for the extra rinse. It managed to do a successful rinse and spin before beginning the usual three rinses. There was very little foam in any of the 3 rinses. All's well that ends well, etc.

Post# 516338 , Reply# 1   5/8/2011 at 09:06 (4,792 days old) by hoover1100 (U.K.)        
Sounds pretty normal

Miele (and some other higher end machines) will add an extra rinse if too much foam is detected.

This usually happens if the machine cannot clear the foam from the machine during the interim spins, which is what it sounds like is happening here.

I wouldn't worry about adjusting your loading techniques or detergent dosage or anything, it's the way the machine is designed to work to ensure the clothes are thoroughly rinsed.


Post# 516339 , Reply# 2   5/8/2011 at 09:23 (4,792 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        

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normal on a day beginning with any letter!!! sometimes any machine defies loading measuring of detergent and what it may do....

The fagor produced the smoothest interim spin since using it last week, so much so I opened the integrated door to watch...THEN...when it had started to rinse out all that softened smooth water and started to rinse in that harsh water, making everything cold and rough, it started to spin like I`d thrown bricks in it...

BTW how do you load sheets by the way??

Post# 516365 , Reply# 3   5/8/2011 at 12:20 (4,792 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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with he dtergent i think you need to use lest detergent than whats indicated on the box and most new washers these days recommend using liquid detergent rather than poweder that go for both classic toploading machines or he machines tl or fl

Post# 516388 , Reply# 4   5/8/2011 at 15:16 (4,792 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        


I know what you mean because my W1986 has done this once or twice too. It will usually be able to make the faster spin after the additional rinse. It nice to know these machines are trying whatever they can to give a decent rinse.

Post# 516404 , Reply# 5   5/8/2011 at 18:02 (4,791 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Well It Would, Wouldnt' It?

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On my "electronic"/manual controlled Miele if there is too much froth produced on the first spin (after the fourth rinse), then the machine will simply slow down to prevent damage, but still complete the spin. This means going into the following rinse not only with froth and perhaps water still in the drum but sump as well. This will cause all sorts of problems.

Not only are you now rinsing in water that isn't totally suds free, the pump still has to get rid of the froth in the sump and push it and the remaining from before out of the drain hose. This often leads to a very long lag as one hears the pump pushing but nothing is coming out of those. Worse the timer will start to spin regardless, however by program if there is too much water in the drum the timer will advance to the end of cycle without any spinning.

Your Miele's method makes sense in that the machine now knows there is froth to be cleared and adds an extra rinse to deal with the matter. Moi? I just bung some defomer down the detergent chute to break up the froth. Easier on the machine IMHO and does the job without having to add yet another (sixth) rinse.

Post# 516421 , Reply# 6   5/8/2011 at 19:25 (4,791 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
and most new washers these days recommend using liquid deter

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Sorry? Maybe in North America, but certainly not here or, I believe, in Europe.

Which manufacturers Pierre? I'd love to have a read of their handbooks.

Post# 516432 , Reply# 7   5/8/2011 at 20:24 (4,791 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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me i think that the newer whirlpool duet the newer dispenser is made for liquid detergent but it also depends on the model as some model still use the classic dispenser

Post# 516436 , Reply# 8   5/8/2011 at 20:42 (4,791 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        

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but very generally speaking, unless it has an automatic dosing system, I don't know of any manufacturer specifically recommending liquid only.

Post# 516437 , Reply# 9   5/8/2011 at 20:43 (4,791 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
Recommending liquid HE detergents?

Certainly not Miele either. When Tide HE first came out in powder form Miele was one of the manufacturers that endorsed its use, but I don't ever remember seeing their name on the liquid. I guess using the towels as lightly as I do, they do not need the full 2 TBS of detergent with the STPP. They are extremely thick so while I used to use regular bath sheets once, I use these once on each side and I'm guessing I don't leave much body oil or stuff behind. Three of these monsters are a full load in the 6KG machine.

It is very reassuring that these machines will go the extra mile/rinse to give satisfactory rinsing. I am so glad to have been able to acquire both the 1918 and the 1986, but I love my Creda Supaspeed 1000 Eco-Wash and all of the independent settings that can be achieved with a mechanical timer. I use it most weeks for my permapress shirts. I really like being able to set the wash temp independently of the cycle, just like in my first Miele and I like being able to select slow spins on the regular cycle to enable extraction after all of the 4 rinses and to be able to select a higher water level also.

Post# 516469 , Reply# 10   5/9/2011 at 02:17 (4,791 days old) by mrwash ()        

My Miele Supertronic does this as well. When it is unbalanced there usually is more foam that comes out and it sudslocks. So it will add an extra rinse. But when it is perfectly balanced it eventually will spin through the foam and add no extra rinse....well, whatever :-)

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