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So...I wonder if the 12 minute rapid cycle on the Russell hobbs can wash the egg off their faces?
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Post# 517021   5/11/2011 at 09:56 (4,785 days old) by ultimafan ()        

CLEARLY NOT! Daily Mail follows up the washing machine that boasted of a 12 minute cycle, and the novelty wears off...

The lady who tried it has a lot of bother for the sake of a 12 minute wash. And the grubby stains like ketchup and mud do not shift (as it is a rapid freshen up cycle, not a stain remover one). It also has a design fault, as the time display seems to stick, clearly if you want a decent electronic controlled washer (like I do) I'd go for a good Bosch or Miele, which also have great wash programmes and times, as well as good energy.

Thankfully the readers are talking more sense in their comments too!


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Post# 517022 , Reply# 1   5/11/2011 at 09:57 (4,785 days old) by ultimafan ()        
...

I only just discovered the article despite it being over a month old, but it wasn't brought up in the previous thread. Clearly a super-hype, I'll just stick to my normal 40 degree programme which takes around 1hr 30 mins.

Post# 517057 , Reply# 2   5/11/2011 at 12:45 (4,784 days old) by FL1012 ()        
How stupid....

Dunno why anyone would expect to shift those stains in 12 (or 16) minutes anyway.

People seem too obsessed with getting the most amount of washing washed in the quickest time possible & spun at the fastest speed.

These superfast washes should be advertised as conveinience cycles for freshening up the odd item, not as a replacement for a proper 1-2 hour 40c cycle.

If you decide you wanna wear a ketchup-stained shirt on a night out only half an hour before youre due to leave the house, you gotta resign yourself to the fact that youre either gonna have to pick another shirt or arrive late.

Liam


Post# 517058 , Reply# 3   5/11/2011 at 12:51 (4,784 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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a 12 minute wash is not stupid in my eyes me i see in my eyes the longer the wash time the more energy thats wasted as i said many time a cold water wash versu a warm or hot water wash makes no change in cleaning power of the detergent. As a 12 minute wash saves energy as well.

Post# 517062 , Reply# 4   5/11/2011 at 13:05 (4,784 days old) by hoover1100 (U.K.)        
Pierre...

Do you think a 12 min wash (that's full cycle length from start to finish, not just the main wash time) in cold water will clean equally as well as a long, thorough boil wash with the water heated from cold?

 

If so, I assume you wear no white or light coloured clothes, and never get them dirty in any way? That's the only way that that could work at all!

 

Things today seem to go from one extreme to another; years ago no one complained that an hour long cottons wash was too long, yet now that cottons washes take around 2 hours, suddenly everyone wants their clothes washed in 12 mins, it makes no sense at all!

 

Matt

 

 


Post# 517071 , Reply# 5   5/11/2011 at 13:47 (4,784 days old) by nrones ()        
This article is more than horrible!

1st thing I noticed is that woman is being unsattisfied because machine washed way too long (16 minutes!!!!!!!!) OMG - are those people nuts?

2nd there is a desperate need for a fight against articles like these - they're manipulation of people's minds!! I even see how they changed my (however I can control myself, and I'm using very high temps 40-60 darks/brights, and 90 whites, unlike those people out there!) -> When I first heard about washing whites at 40, I was disgusted, however now after so much seeing not just washing at 30 or cold, but those temps on quick or VERY quick washes, standard cotton 40 doesn't look that disgusting anymore... :/

btw.
Was that women putting FAIRY GEL in the draw? omg...

Dex


Post# 517128 , Reply# 6   5/11/2011 at 22:08 (4,784 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        
Pierre.

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You said: "the longer the wash time the more energy thats wasted", along with: " a cold wash versu a warm or hot water wash makes no change in cleaning power of the detergent." "water "a 12 minute wash saves energy as well."

you have absolute no clue to what your talking about!


Post# 517130 , Reply# 7   5/11/2011 at 22:16 (4,784 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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sorry i made a mistake here so i apoligize to everyone here tonight

Post# 517257 , Reply# 8   5/12/2011 at 17:08 (4,783 days old) by ultimafan ()        
no offence taken pierreandreply4

A rapid cycle is good if you've forgotten to wash something to be used the next day, and even in that case, you need at least a good 30 minutes for a lightly soiled shirt, perhaps a shirt and jeans together, two items. The articles seem to imply that a 7kg load can be done in 12 mins, something the lady discovered to be wrong in the article.

I agree with everyone, wash times shouldn't be an issue. I'd be happy to wait two hours for a load to be done if it is done right, or I'd be wasting time, money and detergents rewashing everything.

@pierreandreply4 Washing machines made in the UK/Europe (front loaders) have low water levels, which is a true bother to get things washed right. But to heat a small amount of water to 40-60 degrees would take less energy compared to an older front loader which has higher water levels. I know in Canada/US top loader washers are popular, but I envy you when it comes to wash action. They wash well with the high water levels and wash times are quick, as well as the flexability (you could to a quick wash with a warm/hot temp all with the dial control). If only we'd get more of them here (instead of H-axis ones) then rapid washes would be less of an issue.


Post# 517283 , Reply# 9   5/12/2011 at 19:40 (4,783 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        

On this side of the pond with my old 1976 FL westy its maximum wash time is 15 minutes.

This time is started once the wash water stops and the timer thus starts.

For stuff really really dirty one can just pull out the timer knob and stop the machine and let it soak.

For dress shirts and lightly soiled stuff one can use less time ie say 10 minutes or less like 5. With stuff like bluejeans and soiled stuff 15 minutes is plenty.


Until I got new 2010 FL washer; for 50 years here I have washed with washes in the 10 to 15 minute range with no issues. A total start to stop spinning cycle here of about 42 minutes is what the few of us usa old FL washers used for 1/2 century.


When one goes to a commercial coin laundromat here the total cycle times are even less; often 20 to 30 minutes.

That is why it is a total shock to buy a new FL washer here and get total cycle times of 1 hour; or 1.5 with a prewash; or 2.5 hours if one uses a mess of modes!

My "take" on longer wash times with many newer machines is because they use less water. The machine farts around with all these weird motions; so the tiny sprays hit all surfaces. Thus in 7 minutes some things are still bone dry; through more weird motions finally that spot gets hit with water drops. The old machine fills the tub to the water level one sets and then washing starts. In only a few seconds all it wet since the water level is such actually the item sit in water and are not just tinkled/sprayed on. On may new FL washers here; if the "extra water button: is not pushed; the items really never are in a pool of water at all. The water level is below the items. One really has a shower than a bath!



Post# 517285 , Reply# 10   5/12/2011 at 19:50 (4,783 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        

So in Europe do the government(s) reward washer makers with a huge Corporate tax break when a washer is sold that meets low water levels of consumption?

Here it is several hundred US dollars per machine. Sometimes there is an extra 100 by the states too via a federal short term backed program.


Washer models at local stores are always changing to meet those tax breaks so fast that many are only around for a month. It is really weird. I studied new machines last June and ended up buying one in November. In 5 months about every washer I had looked at was already gone.

It is like a washer is made to be marketed for about 2 months then replaced.



Post# 517291 , Reply# 11   5/12/2011 at 20:43 (4,783 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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Its like me i bought my whirlpool duet washer in 2004 and if i understand this well that would mean around 2012 i would have to replace my duet washer dryer set as its 5 years old already

Post# 517324 , Reply# 12   5/12/2011 at 22:53 (4,783 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
3Belt...

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I'm not sure about Europe, but I can tell you that it isn't the manufacturers here that get rewarded.

We can still buy old style top loaders if we want them...but consumers generally get a rebate from their council if they buy a machine that is rated at 4 star or better for water usage (which is about 11 litres per kilogram of clothes - so a 6kilogram machine could use 66 litres and qualify)

That way, consumer pressure forces manufacturers to do the job properly or we don't buy their machines....

A much better interpretation of a free market really


Post# 517332 , Reply# 13   5/12/2011 at 23:27 (4,783 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)        

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The first of 2011, the EPA required all washing machine manufacturers, to meet new, requirements in order to be energy star labeled. Requirements for qualifying washers must use 11 percent less energy and 20 percent less water. Thats why you don't see the same models that were out 6-8 months ago, they have been cleared out for the newer models of this year.
Example: I got a LG washer Model WM2050CW in April of 2010. By Oct, 6 months later it was discontinued and replaced! According to March Consumer Reports, which did the washing machine ratings, this model that I have, does meet the 2011 Energy star standard. So my question is, why was it discontinued if it meets the 2011 Energy star standard?


Post# 517352 , Reply# 14   5/13/2011 at 04:44 (4,783 days old) by limey ()        
Longevity of Whirlpool Manufactured FL Washers

Pierreandreply4,
I would say that you are one of the luckier ones, those Whirlpool machines be they ‘Duets’ or the ‘Kenmore’ variant have had mountains of problems.
Foul odours
Corroded spiders
Failed bearings
Last but not least the dreaded F11 error code.
Just ‘google’ any of the above subjects with ‘Whirlpool Duet’ or ‘Kenmore He washer’ in front and see what you get!


Post# 517353 , Reply# 15   5/13/2011 at 04:56 (4,783 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Longevity predictions are fun, but it's more interesting to wait and see what actually happens.


Post# 517360 , Reply# 16   5/13/2011 at 06:30 (4,783 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
thank you

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thank you your right in saying that i don't have any of these problems but i am hoping they never will develope but they may as my duet washer gets older during the Years, keeping my fingers cross and hoping they won't lol.

Post# 517912 , Reply# 17   5/15/2011 at 02:17 (4,781 days old) by hooverzodiac12 (Melbourne, Australia)        
I dont know about anyone else?

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but im quite happy to wait up to two hours even for a half load. ive never been fussed at all about rapid, fast or quick wash buttons or cycles to tell you the truth "and it may be my picking of washers" but if i use the fast options on any washer ive had it has never washed well enough.

Just wondering is anyone else fussed with time?


Post# 517916 , Reply# 18   5/15/2011 at 02:57 (4,781 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        

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Not particularly...

I like the option of faster (about 45-60 minutes is now a quick wash on most FL machines here) cycles and am happy to use them if they're that length. Anything less than that really needs good water levels, strong tumbling and solid interim spins to be effective


Post# 517925 , Reply# 19   5/15/2011 at 04:56 (4,781 days old) by twinniefan (Sydney Australia)        
12minute wash cycle

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Well 12 minutes is plenty of time to do a cycle if one owns a twin tub, I can go through a basket full of clothing in about 30 minutes, which would equate to roughly 10-12 minutes perload assuming a full basket is 3 loads, whites, colours and towels in my Haier T.T.
Also remember the Hoovermatic wash timer is only set to a max of 4 minutes, if you wanted to wash longer, just keep resetting the washtimer.


Post# 517985 , Reply# 20   5/15/2011 at 12:26 (4,780 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        

RONIC; RE "I'm not sure about Europe, but I can tell you that it isn't the manufacturers here that get rewarded.

We can still buy old style top loaders if we want them...but consumers generally get a rebate from their council if they buy a machine that is rated at 4 star or better for water usage (which is about 11 litres per kilogram of clothes - so a 6kilogram machine could use 66 litres and qualify)

That way, consumer pressure forces manufacturers to do the job properly or we don't buy their machines....

A much better interpretation of a free market really "

In the usa the tax rebate to the maker is social engineering by the clueless government. To get the energy star label in 201X year means hitting certain water saving levels.

Washer here have a yellow tag to tell on the electric cost; but the governent is too stupid to publish actual water amount used; the criteria they dictate who gets the big tax break.

ie they are morons. In many places the waters cost is higher than the electricity used; they measure them but do not publish this data.

Thus washer A might use XY liters and be marked AB dollars in electricity.
Washer B might use 98 percent of XY and fail the criteria and thus costs one 200 to 300 dollars more since unit has no tax kackback. Both use the same amount of electricity; or unit A might use 20 percent more too.

It means the washer models are constantly varied to meet the tax kickback criteria. All the same washer tubs that a few months ago were 4.0 to 4.6 cuft are now in the 3.5 to 4 regions since the criteria changed yet again.

In the old days one had the actual water level consumed in gallons in specs; one could use ones own head to judge ones needs. Today the government supports units that use less water with a tax kickback so the units cost is less. They too do NOT state the actual water used on the YELLOW tag; they hold the data so to add confusion. ie they are stupid. Thus one cannot compare two units on the floor that both have tax credits. They hide the water usage; they hide the total cycle time. Typical government waste.

Thus a buyer really just buys with price and name brand. The government has the test data; but is too stupid to publish it. They give us the electricity used; the lessor factor as far as our costs to run the washer.

***The current lame usa system could be improved; ie publish the actual data on the water used on each washer. Also publish the cycle time too.



Post# 517988 , Reply# 21   5/15/2011 at 12:36 (4,780 days old) by 3beltwesty ()        

A better system would to have the government publish the test data for both water and electricity:

(A)Thus TL washer A that costs 300 might use 30 gallons and cost 16 dollars per year in electricity and a cycle is 40 minutes

(b) Thus FL washer B might cost 600 and use 13 gallons and cost 14 dollars per year in electricity and the cycle is 1 hour 15 minutes.

A rational buyer can by (B) for a cabin that is used just a 10 times per year; they save 300 dollars. The thriftier machine (A) would be a waste of capital


In other consumer things like AC window units and refridgerators; the actual real data is mentioned and not hidden from the consumer. One has the BTUH and EER values on the AC units and the yearly KWHR on the frdiges on the yearly tags


Post# 517994 , Reply# 22   5/15/2011 at 13:01 (4,780 days old) by MieleMondia ()        

What is that? I cant realize how the cloth can wash, rinse and spin in 12min... My Matura Sigma 9360 has a 20min short programm, ther eshe washed cold doesn´t make interm Spin and rinsing only 1 Time!!!

A washcycle at my place must have to use much water and must run 1hour or longer...


Post# 518020 , Reply# 23   5/15/2011 at 14:27 (4,780 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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me i would say the shorter the wash time the better me i have a duet washer right now and i think that the wash time is 2 long as 12 minute would be engough even a wash cycle of 10 minutes and 1 rinse would be enghn as well as saving engergy


Post# 518033 , Reply# 24   5/15/2011 at 15:40 (4,780 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        

The only way to get a wash time of twelve minutes AND still get a decent wash, would be to use...


a twin-tub.



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