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The integral washer dryer with many faces...
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Post# 518165   5/16/2011 at 01:08 (4,716 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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So i've seen this washer dryer around under plenty of names. Can't quite pinpoint who's design it is.

I think it's a nice looking machine. I'm a sucker for a push button door release!

I've seen this machine under, bosch, siemens, smeg & whirlpool. Can anyone shed light on it for me?


Post# 518166 , Reply# 1   5/16/2011 at 01:10 (4,716 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Smeg version

Post# 518167 , Reply# 2   5/16/2011 at 01:15 (4,716 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

If it's the version with SS tub and drum it is made in Italy by SMEG, if it's the plastic tub version I don't know.

Post# 518170 , Reply# 3   5/16/2011 at 01:31 (4,716 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

I've searched on the net and according to a retailer of integrated and design appliances, also the new model with plastic tub are made in Italy by SMEG, but I can't personally confirm it as I've never seen one in person.

Anyway I also attached a picture of the Whirlpool version!

Post# 518195 , Reply# 4   5/16/2011 at 06:31 (4,715 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        

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Could be a Hoover-Candy need to see inside the drum.

Post# 518230 , Reply# 5   5/16/2011 at 10:41 (4,715 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Definately not a hoover-candy.

Heres another pic. This time the freestanding bosch version. it also appeared under neff to so I'm pretty sure it's a bosch. the drum is very similar to my bosch WFF2000 but the plastic paddles are steeper.


Post# 518231 , Reply# 6   5/16/2011 at 10:48 (4,715 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Best pic i can find with the drum. smeg version!

Post# 518256 , Reply# 7   5/16/2011 at 12:06 (4,715 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

ive seen a siemens version of that stainles steel model on ebay

Post# 518261 , Reply# 8   5/16/2011 at 12:25 (4,715 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Hey Darren - these machines are made by Smeg themselves :)



Post# 518270 , Reply# 9   5/16/2011 at 13:15 (4,715 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

Oh, that stainless steel machine is my dream!

It has a 5 kg capacity (anything over that is exageration)
1600 rpm spinning
good rinsing
the body is all stainless steel
the tub and rum are both stainless steel too!

And the styling is gorgeous!

Post# 518282 , Reply# 10   5/16/2011 at 14:24 (4,715 days old) by nrones ()        
Not made by Smeg...

The machine we are talking about are all made by BSH..
This is a 100% Smeg free standing washer-dryer made in Italy... also the newest Whirlpool washer-dryers are made by Smeg too, however Bosch and Siemens are made by their own.
Here are pictures of Smeg washer-dryer, made by Smeg:

Post# 518308 , Reply# 11   5/16/2011 at 16:52 (4,715 days old) by ultimafan ()        

That smeg above is very similar to the latest set of built in washer dryers of bosch, siemens and whirlpool. On youtube someone went to currys and made videos on all the new washers. A built in whirlpool awz612 had exactly the same drum as the smeg above. Also the smegs display is very similar to the latest built in washer dryers of bosch and siemens so it seems you've found another piece of the jigsaw. I sigh of relief as i thought after i heard that boschs air condensing washer dryer was made by vestel/little swan (i got grey hair reading that thread!) I also thought their new built in washer dryers would follow suit. I'm relieved they're by smeg they seem to be high quality.

Post# 518326 , Reply# 12   5/16/2011 at 18:12 (4,715 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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Hello guys,

I would say just one thing. On the machines above I see one peculiarity.
The drum.
If you look closely, the inside of the drum is a BSH drum. One of the old version, but definitely a BSH drum. My grandmother have a Siemens from 1991 and the drum is like this.

If it is made by smeg maybe could be that they use the same drum.

Post# 518420 , Reply# 13   5/17/2011 at 02:27 (4,714 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        
You got to love SMEG!

I sent an email to them this morning at 8:49 and they answered at 9:23 solving all my doubts:

SMEG washer-dryers are made in Bonferraro in the province of Verona in Italy, so definitely those are all SMEG products. I'm so glad!

Here's the return e-mail:

In merito alla Sua gradita e.mail Le confermiamo che la ns.lavasciuga viene prodotta nel ns.stabilimento del lavaggio che si trova a Bonferraro in provincia di Verona.
Per qualsiasi ulteriore informazione, può contattare il ns. numero verde (gratuito):
800 014841 dal lunedì al venerdì dalle 09.00-12.00 / 15.00-18.00).
Cordiali saluti
Ufficio Commerciale Incasso Italia Smeg
Tel.0522/8211 Fax 0522/821452

Post# 518425 , Reply# 14   5/17/2011 at 05:32 (4,714 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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Ciao Gabriele :)

Thank you for your answer. I'm happy for you, because I know you like smeg products. It is a pity that thay are so hard to find, even in some regions in Italy. When I visited some big appliance stores in the North of Italy I haven't seen much smeg appliances.

Well, don't get me wrong, I don't doubt in what you have told us now, but I am a bit curious why the drums are so similar to the BSH ones.
I will made a picture of my grandma's siemens drum amd post it. Maybe you could solve even this "enigma".

Grazie Gabriele


Post# 518461 , Reply# 15   5/17/2011 at 08:50 (4,714 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
pic. of the BSH drum

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Here is a picture of the drum of my grandma's old Siemens.

Post# 518464 , Reply# 16   5/17/2011 at 08:58 (4,714 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
same as this one

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you can see that the paddles on the old Siemens are a bit damaged end deformed, but you can see that the shape of the drum is the same

Post# 518531 , Reply# 17   5/17/2011 at 13:51 (4,714 days old) by aquarius8000 ()        

The paddels are the same as my aunties Bosch WFS4030.

Post# 518535 , Reply# 18   5/17/2011 at 14:09 (4,714 days old) by nrones ()        
Design - not where they're made.

Well, when I posted this post I was actually talking about 100% Smeg designed washing machine.

There is a LOT of washing machines are sold under this brand name , however there are ones not designed and completely made by other company (like those Silver washer-dryers from bsh, I've seen other Smeg's made by Vestel, Beko, Gorenje), there are a 100% SMEG.

Ofcourse, that doesn't exclude an option that both BSH-designed Smeg washer dryer, and Smeg designed Smeg washer dryer are both produced in Italy, place that Gabriele wrote! :)


Post# 518556 , Reply# 19   5/17/2011 at 15:46 (4,714 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        
The same drum:

remember that SMEG is a smaller company than B/S/H or Indesit or Electrolux, so it can be that they outsourced the drum to the BSH group as they did with the previous line of 7 an 8 kg washing machine, before coming up with their own.

Same goes for the small oven like 60x60x60 cm dishwasher.

Or think about Eltek: they make the 80% of dishwasher detergent dispensers in Europe, be them Indesit, B/S/H, SMEG or AEG...

The good thing is that till today B/S/H appliances aren't crap, so having the same drum is a sign of quality and not otherwise! :)
Anyway, gimme a SMEG anyday instead of bland German design ehehehehe

Post# 518569 , Reply# 20   5/17/2011 at 16:20 (4,714 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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Yes Gabriele you are right, they have probably outsorced the drum from the BSH group. This made me (not only me) confused by thinking that the machine is in fact a machine from BSH.
Anyway, one piece here one piece there... if a machine is built with quality, like this model from smeg, I don't care where they sourced the drum. :)

And yes, being a smaller company is sometimes better than being a big one! Not always, but I'm sure it makes you more ambitious.

Post# 518576 , Reply# 21   5/17/2011 at 16:28 (4,714 days old) by nrones ()        
this is now ME xD

Ingemar, you probably expected this one from me :P

But in what the hell situation is better to be small company rather than a big one? xD

And even on this thread, it was kinda negative way.. They couldn't make their own drum so they took one from BSH, but anyway I showed that Smeg makes it's own now, so it's good.. I like Smeg, and I like the fact it obviously make very sturdy machines.. only thing I would love to see them working, because I've never seen one live :D


Post# 518581 , Reply# 22   5/17/2011 at 16:34 (4,714 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

umm no. that drum in that smeg WD is a whirlpool one, dont even try to convince me other as i have seen it in a free standing whirlpool 6th sense washer!
it makes sense that smeg sourced drums from wirlpool as the fl washers for europe are made in ITALY.
dont argue last time you argued i thought about leeving the site for good as i cant take it when you argu with one another

Post# 518586 , Reply# 23   5/17/2011 at 16:55 (4,714 days old) by nrones ()        
thanks for being pleasant

what I just said to Ingemar was an inside joke, not related to anything special...

I just posted a normal reply, and you started telling me I was convincing you.. I snapped only once on Candy thread, and since then my communication is very normal everywhere...

However it again appears that you don't like MINE oppineon, so find someone else that will agree that is a Whirlpool drum...personally I really don't care what drum it is, and I don't understand why are you being so rude to me now.

Post# 518590 , Reply# 24   5/17/2011 at 17:06 (4,714 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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Hi Dex and hi Tom,

Tom I haven't understand if you were talking to me or to Dex when you said that about arguing.

Anyway, I would like to say and make it clear that I'm not here to argue with no one.

I was just sharing my opinions and my thoughts.
I was talking about the similarity (or equality) of the two drums in the picture I've posted (old siemens & silver smeg).
I am not talking about the drum from the picture Dex posted.


Post# 518716 , Reply# 25   5/18/2011 at 01:45 (4,714 days old) by nrones ()        
me too /last reply about this/

I would also like to make clear -- good idea Ingemar!

I was:
Sharing oppineons, comparing pictures from the internet.
Wrote normal comments (as always), In none of them I was talking to you (aegokocarat)
You came out of nowhere telling me I am arguing, and turtoring you, and that you'll leave this site.

I don't care what drum it is anymore, you made that atmosphere by telling here If I say it isn't Whirlpool, you'll start something very boring, by the way you don't have a right to forbid us to write anything on here, again, repeating specially when we aren't talking to you in person. In this particular case, just to be worse, I myself wrote another 4 companies that are in ''touch'' with Smeg...

But just of curiosity tell me what part of any text I wrote made you write such a rude reply to me?


Post# 518718 , Reply# 26   5/18/2011 at 01:50 (4,714 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

i tryed not to make it sound rude!
i was say MY oppinion, i wasent aiming at any one and being dyslexyc its hard not to make things sound snippy.
sorry for any inconvenience

Post# 518719 , Reply# 27   5/18/2011 at 01:51 (4,714 days old) by nrones ()        
now back on subject...

This is a thread talking about rebadging...

What do you think of it?

Since I am great supporter of ideas that washing machine manufacturers publish, to make their washers special, I think it's a disaster.. because there's one less opportunity, and difference for us to see :(

How many times I wondered how would a Hoover or Hotpoint look like if they were still 'independent'.. what do you think about it?


Post# 518778 , Reply# 28   5/18/2011 at 09:09 (4,713 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

Not a Whirlpool by any means, at least comparing it to my Whirlpool crapmachine made in late 2008 (but the drum is newer as it was changed in late 2009 due to failure)

Post# 519063 , Reply# 29   5/19/2011 at 12:35 (4,712 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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The mystery continues heres a pic of the whirlpool integral version with a good drum shot. def the old bosch drum


Post# 519064 , Reply# 30   5/19/2011 at 12:36 (4,712 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Drum shot

Post# 519067 , Reply# 31   5/19/2011 at 12:44 (4,712 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

whose iis that whirlpool integrate washee?

Post# 519070 , Reply# 32   5/19/2011 at 12:56 (4,712 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Someone selling it on ebay

Post# 519093 , Reply# 33   5/19/2011 at 14:28 (4,712 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

Don't worry, push-button opening was a signature of integrated SMEG machines!

Anyway, other than that I've found this webpage, it says where SMEG products are made!

And again "Smeg per decenni ha comprato le lavastoviglie dalla Vittorio Merloni (Ariston), poi ha inziato a produrle direttamente con le lavatrici domestiche tramite un azienda del gruppo, la Bonferraro, che fa anche da terzista per Franke, Gorenje e Whirlpool."

Translated: SMEG for years bought dishwashers from Vittorio Merloni (Ariston), then they started producing their own along washing domestic machines in a subsidiary company: Bonferraro that also produces (for rebadging) for Franke, Gorenje and Whirlpool.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO dj-gabriele's LINK

Post# 519127 , Reply# 34   5/19/2011 at 17:52 (4,712 days old) by ultimafan ()        
not to drift away from the subject...

did hotpoint also comission bsh for a machine too? It was sold with the wma series i think

Post# 519202 , Reply# 35   5/20/2011 at 01:35 (4,712 days old) by aquarius8000 ()        

Again the drum on the Whirlpool is the same as the WFS3040. So why coppy a drum when say if bosch had faild at it and then all the other makes fail??

Post# 519311 , Reply# 36   5/20/2011 at 13:33 (4,711 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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I don't recall this bosch sourced hotpoint!? Can you enlighten me?!


Post# 519317 , Reply# 37   5/20/2011 at 13:51 (4,711 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

they also made a creda branded model too! they pop up on ebay now and then (not very commen)they look a little chunky for my liking (well, the non digital version dose lol)

Post# 519368 , Reply# 38   5/20/2011 at 18:25 (4,711 days old) by ultimafan ()        

It was released with the wma series it was entirely dial controlled a bwm something. It was fast with 1600rpm,came out with the wma but,was replaced in 2003 with the bwm12 owing to the dreaded takeover. I know bsh did hotpoint dishwashers. I only wish bsh bought them, maybe theyd have been similar to their earlier generations.

Post# 519618 , Reply# 39   5/22/2011 at 02:26 (4,709 days old) by aquarius8000 ()        
wma 63

this is our daily driver, I posted this for reference

Post# 519620 , Reply# 40   5/22/2011 at 02:37 (4,709 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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I had that hotpoint WMA63 It was replaced by hotpoint after a year due to bearing failure.

I still have no idea what this boschpoint looked like!?!


Post# 519625 , Reply# 41   5/22/2011 at 04:39 (4,709 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

my aunt used to have one of them ultima extra models but in beige

Post# 519714 , Reply# 42   5/22/2011 at 12:32 (4,709 days old) by ultimafan ()        
Darren, its the Hotpoint BWM20...

The predecessor to the model above, had 3 dials (4 for the washer dryer BWD20), span at 1600, cost a fortune when it was sold in comet for £700 around 8-10 years ago. Whirlpool also comissioned a machine similar to this one. I meant to say it was also made by Smeg like the machines above. It span at 1600.

I tried to get a pic, but haven't found a single one except this which isn't of the best quality.

Post# 519721 , Reply# 43   5/22/2011 at 13:02 (4,709 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Ooooooh the integral one! I thought u were talkin about a freestanding one I was like hmmm unless I'm living In a hole I've never seen that!!

Post# 520559 , Reply# 44   5/26/2011 at 06:37 (4,705 days old) by hotpoint9534 (UK)        
Hotpoint BWM20/BWD20

I have a picture of the Creda version somewhere as well. I'll put it up if I can find it.

Post# 520560 , Reply# 45   5/26/2011 at 06:38 (4,705 days old) by hotpoint9534 (UK)        

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