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Post# 519185   5/20/2011 at 00:07 (4,580 days old) by DADoES (TX,U.S. of A.)        

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DishwasherCrazy/Mike's Briva video prompted me to do a DishDrawer video for comparison. A handful of people saw my DD run some years ago and a few others at that time asked for a video ... so here finally it's done.

It's much quieter with the drawer closed. The lid motor runs longer than normal at the start since it's not contacting/sealing against the drawer. Fill is not timed, correct water level is sensed by when the pump is primed. Fill is done at 1:15 when the pump goes to full speed and spray pressure increases.

The (upper drawer) spray arm seen in the video is changed from the original. Sorry I didn't turn the arm before starting so both sides could be seen. The original arm has fewer spray holes of larger size. My lower drawer is still the original-style arm. There's a spray nozzle on bottom of the arm that continually flushes over the filter plate.

The machine was bought August 2003 has not (yet) needed any repairs.



Post# 519188 , Reply# 1   5/20/2011 at 00:22 (4,580 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        
GIMME GIMME GIMME!!!

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I love that! It has a much more powerful spray than I would have thought!!!


Post# 519197 , Reply# 2   5/20/2011 at 00:58 (4,580 days old) by A440 ()        

I agree with Jamie!

I would have never thought that the spray was so darn strong!

Did this spray keep up with all of the models?

Thanks Glen for the video.

I am really impressed!

Brent


Post# 519237 , Reply# 3   5/20/2011 at 06:00 (4,579 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
Excellant video

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I have the same machine and it is in my opinion one of the best and economical dishwashers I have ever owned as we are on a water meter that is something to consider these days. Anyway what I am intrigued to know is how did you fool the machine into thinking the drawer was closed? Mine beeps if not shut properly something to with a light tube on the side I believe?
Austin


Post# 519253 , Reply# 4   5/20/2011 at 07:09 (4,579 days old) by tlee618 ()        

Glenn, thanks so much for the video. I have always thought the drawers were a fantastic idea. How long does a complete cycle take?

Post# 519272 , Reply# 5   5/20/2011 at 08:43 (4,579 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)        

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Gleen Here are the spray arms that you have... I got the first generation one from a system at work .

Great Video !

Is that on Normal or Heavy cycle.... ? Being that Paykel Dishdrawers have Multispeeds spray for each cycle sprays hardest on heavy lighter on Delicate.

Also the big hole in the upper part of the arm has a piece of metal in to deflect the water I beleave downwards to hold the arm in..

so it is not to fly off. 

 

 

Darren k


Post# 519319 , Reply# 6   5/20/2011 at 13:59 (4,579 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains )        

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I am also shocked at the power of it,I thought from looking at the motor compared to Jenn-Air or Kitchenaid that there would be no contest.The only reason I picked out the Kitchenaid is cause it has a grinder in the drain pump and there is a spray bracket on top side,but the main wash motor looks kinda like a Frigidaire motor from Italy the Askoll version in ours well not mine my Moms chalet,house,in Coosawattee in Ellijay.

Post# 519336 , Reply# 7   5/20/2011 at 15:29 (4,579 days old) by DADoES (TX,U.S. of A.)        

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Normal cycle, first fill/prewash. Normal & Heavy run at the same spray pressure far as I know. Heavy is at higher temperatures. I have not visually compared the spray on Delicate, which is lower pressure. Lightweight items can get flipped over if not anchored, and some loads may be "noisy" due to items being jostled.

I bought a spare-parts tub-home prism to trigger the infrared light tube sensor with the drawer open.

Cycle times range from 38 mins to 132 mins, and may vary within that depending on water heating time. 12 mins for Rinse/hold.

I think the revised arm cleans a little better and consistently throughout the tub area. It may be quieter, but the upper drawer runs a little quieter by nature. I should swap the revised arm to the bottom for sound comparison.


Post# 519353 , Reply# 8   5/20/2011 at 16:52 (4,579 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)        

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Thanks Gleen the sounds of the spray arms are definitely different.

The one with the larger holes has a stronger sweeping sound in your drawer.

The other one is much quiter thou you still here nice water sounds.

I have a breakdown on the cycles,  temps, promo stuff ,etc chart somewhere hopefully at some point I will post this.

I'm so glad that your machines are standing up !!! F & P gets so much hell at times but I thank they can be an excellent companey when all the kinks are out.

 

 

Darren k


Post# 519381 , Reply# 9   5/20/2011 at 20:04 (4,579 days old) by Maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)        
Glenn- thank you for posting this

I have always wondered about the Dish Drawers.


If I ever have/had them, I would want two individual drawers- one on the right side of the sink, and one on the left side of the sink, instead of the stacked configuration.


I think they would be just the thing for a Kosher/Halal household!


Lawrence/Maytagbear


Post# 519504 , Reply# 10   5/21/2011 at 12:09 (4,578 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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Thanks a million......I always wondered about the power of these.....I have the stacked set, and in the remodel, I want another added to the other side of the sink, but I do mis that it does not have a disposer, so a little pre-rinsing is necessary, the ability of having seperate drawers for small loads, pots and pans, fine china, and actually usuing minimal water with good results......

these come with a 2 year warranty......had one motor unit replaced, while under coverage, I tend to favor the top unit.....

only ever had one issue, of the flex cable that supports the hose and wires in the rear snapped in half, and with Glenn's excellent help, made the repair and unit back running in minutes.....

I like F&P's top load dryer, especially the self cleaning filter for constant high air flow, but they seem so cheap with all the plastic they use on the outter cabinets of their laundry line up....


Post# 519522 , Reply# 11   5/21/2011 at 14:03 (4,578 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I think Glenn bought that tub-home prism in preparation for gettogether at Glenn's in June, 2007 when Scott55405 came to visit.  Glenn kept teasing about a "forbidden cycle" I was going to get to see.  I just had no clue.  It loks like there wasn't much, if any dishes in the machine.  I would have loved to be able to wtch a whole cycle with it filled to capacity.  It's a fascdinating machine.  As is the topload F&P dryer, and the F&P washer too. 


Post# 519568 , Reply# 12   5/21/2011 at 18:49 (4,578 days old) by AutowasherFreak ()        

I enjoy the "forbidden" cycle videos.  It' fun to see what actually happens inside of dishwashers.

Smile


Post# 519584 , Reply# 13   5/21/2011 at 20:48 (4,578 days old) by verizonbear (Glen Burnie )        
F and P quality control

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I am buying a foreclosure property that needs the kitchen gutted, I saw a double drawer model at sears , 800 bucks for the floor model. I heard these had issues in the past, has F and P improved its quality control?

Post# 519690 , Reply# 14   5/22/2011 at 11:03 (4,577 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Glenn - what an interesting video.  Really am surprised at how powerful that spray is - really does sweep across the entire drawer.

 

Jon


Post# 519926 , Reply# 15   5/23/2011 at 10:38 (4,576 days old) by variflexpghpa (Pittsburgh, PA)        
Running w/drawer open

I have the KA version, and am totally curious how you got the drawer to operate open. Did you access a service mode?

Post# 519930 , Reply# 16   5/23/2011 at 10:42 (4,576 days old) by variflexpghpa (Pittsburgh, PA)        
PS

Read thru the balance of the tread and saw that you added a tub home prism.
I am going to do that too


Post# 519943 , Reply# 17   5/23/2011 at 12:02 (4,576 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
DISH DRAWERS

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Phil the KA for the last three years or so and all the KM DD DW are made by WP in the US. The WP built machines are much better built than the FP design but clean even worse than the FP design.

 

To me the DD DW are the ultimate toy or maybe as an extra DW at the bar for glasses. But I have no use for any machine that I have to pre-rinse for, that takes over two hours and won't dry dishes without covering dishes with rinse aid slime. The reliability of the F & P machines has been among the worst of any DW on the market in the US. Last year I threw three double DDs away that we had kept at the warehouse, two of them worked fine but the customers got sick and tired of getting them fixed and I decided that I would not wish them on anybody.


Post# 520012 , Reply# 18   5/23/2011 at 15:51 (4,576 days old) by DADoES (TX,U.S. of A.)        

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It's always interesting how there's a wide disparity between the experiences different people have with the same model appliance. :-)

As stated above, my machine is over 7 years old and hasn't needed any repairs thus far.

I don't prerinse. Scrape/dump off the chunks, yes. Prerinse, no. I started a load just now, which items have been sitting between 3 days and overnight before washing. Is 2- or 3-day-old dried microwaved oatmeal considered a challenge? Probably not.

I don't know the cycle times on the latest model, but the only cycle on mine that's over 2 hrs is Heavy at 132 mins. Normal and Heavy-Eco are close. Any cycle can go a bit longer than the default depending on water heating, but in my experience even with tap-cold incoming water the time increase either isn't all that much, or I don't notice it enough to be a storm cloud hanging over my day.

Heavy (132 mins) - wash, rinse, rinse, wash 150F, rinse, rinse, rinse 163F, dry
Heavy-Eco (112 mins) - wash, rinse, wash 140F, rinse, rinse, rinse 150F, dry

Normal (115 mins) - wash, rinse, wash 140F, rinse, rinse 150F, dry
Normal-Eco (88 mins) - wash or rinse, wash 125F, rinse, rinse 125F, dry

Delicate (86 mins) - wash or rinse, wash 120F, rinse, rinse 130F, dry
Delicate-Eco (72 mins) - wash or rinse, wash 115F, rinse, rinse 125F, dry

Fast (56 mins) - wash or rinse, wash 115F, rinse, rinse 115F
Fast-Eco (38 mins) - wash 105F, rinse, rinse 105F
(There is no formal dry period on Fast or Fast-Eco, although I believe the blower runs on Fast for 5 mins with the lid closed.)


Post# 520014 , Reply# 19   5/23/2011 at 16:04 (4,576 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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something to consider with one of these, and maybe many others, although at first it never occured to me, but the size and stackability of one dishes really allows you to, maybe NOT BobLoad it, but fill this machine to capacity, anyway, the time came to get new dishes and glassware, from WalMart, BUT that they fit the machine really well, especially the glassware, which were shorter and fatter, which allowed the side racks to be lowered over top and cups to be placed in position, which you can't do with tall glasses in one of these machines....


but just the same, many of us adapt to the machines we have, and make it work for us....or eventually replace them, hopefully with a better model


Post# 520044 , Reply# 20   5/23/2011 at 18:11 (4,576 days old) by Intuitive (Inner West, Sydney Australia. )        
FP Dishdrawers Reliability

In the block of units I live in, we have a all FP kitchens.. gas cooktops, electric ovens & dishdrawers. 

 

The larder 3 bedroom units have double dishdrawers & all 2 & 1 bedroom units have single dish drawers.  EVERYSINGLE double DD has been replaced at least once. when I spoke to the FP repair guy.. he said the double units have to pack the electronics into a very small space compared to the single units.   He said he would repair 3 double DD's to 1 single DD.

 

We had the Double DD's in my office and every single one of them had at least 1 drawer out of action all the time. 

 

Our single DD (603) just keep on going, it is used at least once a day and never skips a beat. I have had to replace the water heater once. this failed because 'usband was using cheap dish washer powder.  I now use Morning Fresh Gel or Powder with Aldi rinse aid. 

 

 


Post# 520068 , Reply# 21   5/23/2011 at 19:53 (4,576 days old) by DADoES (TX,U.S. of A.)        

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I'm not understanding your repairman's comments about packing the electronics into a smaller space on double-drawer units. Each drawer has a controller board mounted on front, and drawers are the same size on double- and single-drawer machines so the available space for mounting the board is the same either way (until the Tall and 36" designs have now come into play). There's a small mains board in the floor of the cabinet but the physical space there is the same for single or double. I suppose the mains board is more component-dense on a double-drawer unit since it has circuitry for two water valves, two sets of lid motors, and feeding power to two drawer controllers ... maybe that's what he meant? But that's only one board of three in a double-drawer unit.


Post# 520070 , Reply# 22   5/23/2011 at 19:57 (4,576 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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AAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!.....theres the advantage of the 2 drawers.....if one of mine go out, I still have one to use until repaired........

if your single drawer, or regular dishwasher goes out....your screwed!



I also have a portable, mainly for party overload....but you never know......

Many of us have a few spare washers and dryers, some already hooked up.....show of hands, how many have a backup dishwasher?, vacuum?, A/C?, generator?....etc!


Post# 520074 , Reply# 23   5/23/2011 at 20:10 (4,576 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
DISH DRAWERS

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I also don't understand why there is any difference between the single and the double model except to say I have only seen about 6 singles and about a hundred doubles and most owners of the double tend to use the top one most of the time. About the only thing good about these machines is that being top loading you don't have to worry about liquids spilling on the floor when loading. But when you consider how much water they use for the small number of dishes they hold and the high cost of the machine it is really either a toy or a machine for people with money to burn.


Post# 520680 , Reply# 24   5/26/2011 at 18:43 (4,573 days old) by cehalstead (Charleston, WV)        
spare units

4 vacuums, 2 dishwashers, and a wringer washer for extreme backup


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