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Rusty 1-18, Home made case???
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Post# 525932   6/20/2011 at 22:30 (4,693 days old) by fltcoils (South Bend, Indiana)        

In Thread Number: 34465 Kenny/goatfarmer had a rusty dented 1-18. Things worked out that I picked it up sunday (Kenny and I both live here in South Bend)






Post# 525933 , Reply# 1   6/20/2011 at 22:34 (4,692 days old) by fltcoils (South Bend, Indiana)        
The case is quite gone

.. but inspection shows a workable top/base/and mechanics.

The question I'm almost too embarrased to ask is...

Has anyone ever made a prosthetic case for one of these out of luan, just to keep the thing going vs part it out? A sort of board and batten thing with polyurethane.

It wouldn't seem to be that hard to do.


Post# 525936 , Reply# 2   6/20/2011 at 22:37 (4,692 days old) by fltcoils (South Bend, Indiana)        
Why was it junked?

As Kenny said, it did not leak, I don't see evidence of leakage, the base is not rusty.

The mechanism agitates when I turn the drive pully/belt/armature one way. However when turned the other way the spin does not occur. So perhaps the filthy roller and driven pulleys (they're quite dirty) are all that retired this to the junk heap.

You get my drift I hope.... If all it needed was cleaning of rollers, and skin, then why part it out...

I guess you all now know my insanity. Fix fix fix until the axe has had every part replaced many times...


Post# 525938 , Reply# 3   6/20/2011 at 22:40 (4,692 days old) by fltcoils (South Bend, Indiana)        
Plug it in.. What plug?

I've not "run" it, in part because of the bellows.

If I were to go that far, I guess I'd first clean the rollers, adjust the ball joint, then use the hot water and glycerin in the tub to condition the bellows. After that I'd energize the circuits to provoke operation.

I'm getting ahead of my self tho.


Post# 525939 , Reply# 4   6/20/2011 at 22:45 (4,692 days old) by fltcoils (South Bend, Indiana)        
"The luxurious look of wood"

I'm starting to like the idea of a wood washing machine cabinate.

Stained cherry? Batten boards on the outside.
Perhaps a X on the front panel like those storm doors have.

Or instead of the ranch look, how about arts and crafts?

Or naugahyde! (I have a pink naugamonster in the house)



Post# 525959 , Reply# 5   6/21/2011 at 00:34 (4,692 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Maybe you could try some metal and machine screws on the inside of the panels and kind of "splint" the cabinet, is the front panel rusted through, or is the pic the front? alr2903


Post# 525983 , Reply# 6   6/21/2011 at 06:50 (4,692 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
RUSTY 1-18 WASHER

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Try it out to see whats wrong with it, I wouldn't do anything to it until you know whats wrong. Why do you think there is a problem with the bellows? 1-18 bellows were very rugged and usually outlasted the machine. If you want a wood washer install the wood over the rusted metal after a little priming etc Good Luck with your new toy.


Post# 526081 , Reply# 7   6/21/2011 at 16:23 (4,692 days old) by searsbest (Attleboro, Ma)        
RUSTY 1-18 WASHER

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Lots of automotive body filler and paint......

Post# 526139 , Reply# 8   6/21/2011 at 21:53 (4,692 days old) by Volvoguy87 (Cincinnati, OH)        
Making things interestingly difficult.

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It's somewhat unrelated, but I've toyed with the idea of making a new cabinet for a Kenmore Belt Drive I've got. The cabinet is very rusty and has a big tear in the side. I've toyed with the idea of having a metal box welded together with corner bracing to replicate the structural integrity of the cabinet, with proper attaching points for the suspension rods and top. I'd see about replaceable plexiglass panels for the front and sides, and covers for the corners. I'd also light the underside of the machine to see all the moving parts. It's not something I'll get around to for quite a long time, likely several years, but it's something I think might be fun.

Interesting idea that's likely very difficult in practice and largely unnecessary,
Dave


Post# 526190 , Reply# 9   6/22/2011 at 07:22 (4,691 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
SEE THROUGH BD WASHER CABINET

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Dave wouldn't it be much easier to just take a good non rusty cabinet and cut out nice large windows in it. You could weld in some angle iron reinforcements where necessary and add plexi-glass windows and lights. Hundreds of BD washers are being crushed every week so a rust free cabinets are plentiful. This would be much better looking and more satisfactory than trying to reinvent the wheel, though I do admire your ambition but your poor parents you must have given them fits LOL.


Post# 526191 , Reply# 10   6/22/2011 at 07:54 (4,691 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
The Crusher

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Everyone mentions "going to the crusher...." Where would I look in my area for a crusher company? what line of work in the phone book? I have no idea where to go to see about rescuing an old machine or two

Post# 526203 , Reply# 11   6/22/2011 at 09:00 (4,691 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
GOING TO THE CRUSHER

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Mark call me and I can tell you of several places that are not to far away.


Post# 526264 , Reply# 12   6/22/2011 at 14:22 (4,691 days old) by fltcoils (South Bend, Indiana)        
Sticks and glue

It seemed easier to me to get out the table saw and create the 4 panels to make a cabinate.

Perhaps this comes from watching Roy Underhill...

Considering how flimsy the standard U shaped sheet metal cabinet is, a 4 panel 1/4" box seemed to actually be an improvement. I know joe leppard quieted his 1-18 with cork or something on the inside panels, how much better to switch to a wood cabinate. If it isn't leaking, and if one is using polyurethane sealer, I would imagine it would work.

Historically, radios, TVs, ice boxes were all made in wood cabinates, the sheet metal was only a cost savings for the most part.

Anyhow, I'd never heard of anyone here doing that, but I suspect that there are some very capable wood workers amoung the crowd here.



Post# 526266 , Reply# 13   6/22/2011 at 14:30 (4,691 days old) by fltcoils (South Bend, Indiana)        
Art washers (ala ... Art Cars)

An whimsical alternative is to cover the pop riveted repaired cabinet with naugahyde.

My neighbor friends mother loved, and still loves, to make everything out of naugahyde. Uniroyal made it, (www.naugahyde.com...) and residents with relatives working there used to be able to get seconds. Imagine bike seat covers made from gold metallic glitter naugahyde, etc. So in a custom washer sense, a naugahyde washer cabinet isn't really that off the wall.

Surely there are some kindred souls on this, the few the bold...?

you can get a naugamonster here
www.nauga.com/promoitems_nauga.ht...

Our pink one is about 40 years old.




Post# 526270 , Reply# 14   6/22/2011 at 14:37 (4,691 days old) by beekeyknee (Columbia, MO)        
Maybe Try This.

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Grind down the corroded and rusty cabinet with different size steal brushes on a drill and then replace missing metal by cutting out tin to fit. Then use POR 15 starter kit to coat cabinet and replacement pieces. Glue on pieces with JB Weld and machine JB and new metal to fit machine. If you scratch through JB or POR 15, reapply JB or POR. If you go through the POR you will have to use the metal prep before recoating with the POR or you will have to use the Marine Clean and then the metal prep before reapplying the POR sealer if you touch the bare metal with your fingers. The oil from you fingers will cause the POR sealer not to adhere. The JB and POR should probably be compatible, if you allow both to dry completely before applying the different layers. It might be a tedious and time consuming process, depending on the damage.

Post# 526289 , Reply# 15   6/22/2011 at 17:02 (4,691 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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...or just hang on to it until another cabinet pops up......

 

Did you get a cord put on it yet?

 

Akronman, look up steel salvage, steel recycling yards, etc.


Post# 526313 , Reply# 16   6/22/2011 at 18:33 (4,691 days old) by fltcoils (South Bend, Indiana)        
No cord yet

The machine is at my mom's, I managed to loosen the 3 corroded front panel screws and get it apart. I felt quite accomplished at doing that. I was not a simple as you would think. What I found was surprising given the mess outside. The mechanicals, except the aluminum driven element wheels were clean and uncorroded as was the control panel. The belt was fine, the motor turned both ways by hand, the agitator arm moved up/dn ok. So I think it would work.

I was unable to get 1 of the 2 hoses off the plastic inlet assy, I'll have to dremel it off, or heat it up. The one I got off was rusty inside, making it tight on the plastic male threads. So perhaps tomorrow I'll pour some hot water and glycerin into the tub and condition it before hooking it up to AC with a jumper cable.

What I'm toying with is letting my mom use it instead of her back porch whirlpool dd, or hook it up beside the other on the back porch.


(Today I went to get-a-job meeting and later showed my kid how to get out of a car trunk. two local kids died in a trunk last wknd)


Post# 526327 , Reply# 17   6/22/2011 at 19:48 (4,691 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)        
See through BD cabinet

a see through washer cabinet is a cool idea-i have an '80 KM"70" stashed away that
is a little beat up and needs a few mechanical repairs-i could get it working,cut
out a veiwing window for the mechanism and add a couple slim florescent lights for
illumination...


Post# 526368 , Reply# 18   6/22/2011 at 23:52 (4,690 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

what a sad feeling of all those poor BD machines being krushed-doesn't make me feel so sad to see DD ones getting it,though.Actually BD,DD,any older machine should have a chance of a second home before the "end".That would be TRUE recycling!Most of these machines could have many years life left in them!At the swap shops out here-know of some NEW machines going to the Krusher!Since the value of scrap is going up--any machines at the swap shops that don't sell-new or old-go to the---KRUSHER!

Post# 526505 , Reply# 19   6/23/2011 at 13:58 (4,690 days old) by fltcoils (South Bend, Indiana)        
1-18 was running today

I hooked the machine up to power and had it running.

Put in hot water with glycerin, no leaks anywhere
Agitates ok, nice. The agitate arm works without rattling.
spin. it needs help starting, if I spin the tub by hand then it will go from there to full speed. I think that the clutch/brake has some issues, It is very loose and can be shifted 1/2" vertically
It pumps ok
The timer works and advances
I'm not sure if the water solenoids work or not, didn't test them.


TDB
cabinate/or part out
front small spring missing
recirc filter drawer missing
clutch.


Post# 526540 , Reply# 20   6/23/2011 at 18:14 (4,690 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Good deal!  That washer has more going for it, than I gave it credit. My bad.....


Post# 526567 , Reply# 21   6/23/2011 at 21:37 (4,690 days old) by fltcoils (South Bend, Indiana)        
1-18 clutch / brake

How does the 1-18 clutch / brake differ from the rollermatic?

I've downloaded the rollermatic tech-talk from here, but I wonder how that relates to the 1-18.


Post# 526610 , Reply# 22   6/24/2011 at 06:18 (4,689 days old) by joelippard (Hickory)        
Clutch

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It's really the same clutch as far as I know, except it's larger than the one in the solid tub model.

Post# 527864 , Reply# 23   6/30/2011 at 13:24 (4,683 days old) by rollermatic (cincinnati)        
the clutch pads are the same

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as those on the rollermatics. i bought a bunch off larry in parma 2 years ago, used some on my rollermatics, used 2 nore when i put my 1-18 back together last summer. exactly the same.

glad you got that 1-18. i was gonna drive up and get it myself then changed my mind as i already have one that works great. no new stuff for me!!!!! i'm done collecting!

have fun with it.


Post# 530301 , Reply# 24   7/12/2011 at 21:54 (4,671 days old) by fltcoils (South Bend, Indiana)        
I went clutch shopping

I will probably use this clutch on the 1-18. Rickr in ft wayne has a couple more of these....

I also got shoes from Larry at Modern Parts if the repair only involves these parts.

I'm considering measuring the spring ht, shoe thknss, etc. before installing. That way someone wondering if their old clutch is kaput will have a way to measure and tell so.

Either way I'll be slowly moving fwd on this project.

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Anyone have an extra 1-18 plastic host outlet fitting. The one on this washer was broken where it sticks out of the cabinate.




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