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Post# 530633   7/14/2011 at 15:07 (4,692 days old) by vivalalavatrice ()        

Hi all!

I was just leaving a customer house after have brought back the repaired dishwasher (a Baucknecht with a discharged wash motor capacitor) when the ladies told me pleased to pick this up away!!

It was part from the whole kitchen equipement when with her husband they were living in the USA.

A very glade birthday present but I think I wont understand if it's in working order untill I'll have hooked it up!

TRANSFORMATOR is necessary but I've not idea how to going on! Here we have 220-240V 50HZ, it works on 115V 60HZ

What about the trash bag? I see a specific one but could you fit in a common one?

Hearing from you soon.
THANKS ALL!

BYE
Diomede






Post# 530634 , Reply# 1   7/14/2011 at 15:09 (4,692 days old) by vivalalavatrice ()        
the control panel

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Post# 530636 , Reply# 2   7/14/2011 at 15:12 (4,692 days old) by vivalalavatrice ()        
the label

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Post# 530637 , Reply# 3   7/14/2011 at 15:13 (4,692 days old) by vivalalavatrice ()        
open it

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Post# 530638 , Reply# 4   7/14/2011 at 15:15 (4,692 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        

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Whirlpool sourced, 2,000 lbs compaction force.  Screw drive, you should get about a 1 to 5 compaction ratio.  This one should take either the plastic or paper compactor bags for a 15 inch compactor.

 

Extra pac actually doesnt' pack harder, but will lock the ram at the bottom of the cycle until you release it.  This causes that trash that has some spring in it to stay down a little better and thus you are able to pack more trash into the bag. 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Post# 530706 , Reply# 5   7/14/2011 at 19:48 (4,692 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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That's a similar model to what we had. Bags are still available through Sears in either plastic-lined paper like the one you show or all plastic. The all plastic bags are thicker than regular plastic garbage bags and they are designed square shaped to fit properly in the bin and clip onto little buttons so they do not shift. You can always try regular plastic garbage bags but you might have to use two at a time to make them thicker so they don't rip.... It is not a good idea to put food waste in the machine because it can get quite smelly and it's hard to clean the bottom of the ram.

You might check the front black panel. On ours it was removable, sliding out and there were other panels behind it in other colors to match your kitchen.

Here's the link to the bags





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Post# 530725 , Reply# 6   7/14/2011 at 22:04 (4,692 days old) by appliancelou (Lyndhurst New Jersey)        
love my compactor

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ive have had a trash compactor for the past 25 years I would never be without it truly the best appliance yourll ever own theres nothing like it once you have this you will never back to kitchen trash pail again this an the garbage disposer are must haves!!!!!

Post# 530746 , Reply# 7   7/15/2011 at 00:41 (4,692 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Since the machine is designed to run from 60Hz power and you have 50Hz power--would not recommend trying to use the compactor.The 60Hz motor would overheat from 50Hz power and would run slow.since compactors can load the motor heavily-with 50Hz power the compactor motor would get VERY hot.-sure the motors thermal OL switch would be tripped.And-yes a transformer would be needed.probably one with at least 1 Kva capacity.

Post# 530763 , Reply# 8   7/15/2011 at 06:23 (4,691 days old) by vivalalavatrice ()        
Thanks guys!

Good to know about the bags and of course it wouldn't be a daily use compactor (maximum once or twice a month) but since we have been collecting separate by material trash it would be usefull for plastic and paper in order to minimize each bag volume, not indeed for humid waste (here's put in a composter for biological waste).

What about SEARS to seel abroad?

BYE
Diomede


Post# 530765 , Reply# 9   7/15/2011 at 06:42 (4,691 days old) by limitededition ()        
50 hz

I don't think the fifty hertz would affect the motor American GI's have been running American 60 hz washer and dryer's and other american 60hz appliance in Europe for decades and they just run a little slower. I have a compactor just like your's, I recycle most items newspapers, tin cans, aluminin cans, glass bottles, etc. the nice thing about it is I only have a bag of thrash every 6 or 7 weeks. I don't think your model has the buttons on the side to hold the plastic bag in place but don't worry any heavy plastic bag will work just make sure that the plastic is relatively smooth on the inside of the bin.

rick


Post# 530794 , Reply# 10   7/15/2011 at 10:25 (4,691 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
THASH COMPACTOR VOLTAGE

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You will need a transformer but the 50 cycle power will not cause any problem except each compaction cycle will take 4 seconds longer.


Post# 530907 , Reply# 11   7/16/2011 at 01:01 (4,691 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

If you use the machine-the motor is at risk.The slow speed will cause overheating if it is used a lot.The motor has to run at the higher speed to generate sufficient back EMF to prevent overheating.And as I said before residentual compactors like that one rely on a current sense to reverse the ram at the end of the packing cycle.-the motor "stall point"USE AT YOUR RISK.Would suggest a machine for 50Hz current.You may be able to trade that one in---or see if a 50Hz motor is available for it at an appliance parts place in the area.

Post# 530923 , Reply# 12   7/16/2011 at 06:56 (4,690 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
TRASH COMPACTOR MOTORS

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On WP built compactors the ram reverses when the ram stalls, it does not have anything to do with current draw. When the motor stalls the centrifugal switch cycles and the motor either reverses [ or just stops if you are using the extra pac setting ] and pulls the ram back up to the starting point and stops. Trash compactors only run about 30 seconds at a time the chance of ever overheating a motor are almost non existent. The motor they use is even rated for continuous use [ unlike garbage disposers which can only run for 10-15 minutes before tripping thier overloads ] Home garbage disposers have no cooling system for the motor.


Post# 531540 , Reply# 13   7/19/2011 at 03:13 (4,687 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Yes it does!when the ram is at the stall point the motor is drawing max current.Disposers are "cooled " to some extent by the water flowing thru them.esp the water seal.With disposers they are not run long enough in most cases to heat up.I would not send any 60Hz appliances to a 50Hz area.The compactor motor is air cooled and does have a rotor fan in it-but at 50Hz the motor is not running fast enough for the fan to cool the motor.Compactors do run for a short time like a disposer-but the motor will heat more quickly on 50Hz than 60Hz.

Post# 531563 , Reply# 14   7/19/2011 at 07:50 (4,687 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        

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Don't know nothing about that 50-60 Hz stuff:

 

We have had a compactor for over 40 years.  The first was a GE, great machine we ended leaving behind in a house we sold.  The second was a Whirl-crap, it lasted three years before it snapped a screw and sent it through the side of the compactor.

 

The one I have now is a Broan scissor drive with 5,000 lbs compaction force or a 1/12 ratio.  We recycle most paper, magazines, cans, plastic, and seperate bathroom waste, diapers etc as non-compactable.  Currently with a family of three I empty the compactor about every two weeks.  Even the recyclables like cans are compacted first before seperating to their bins. 

 

A compactor is a great investment, and toy, especially when your community goes to a pay to throw pricing where you pay for each bag that is put in your cart. 


Post# 531593 , Reply# 15   7/19/2011 at 11:29 (4,687 days old) by mixfinder ()        
Recycle

I have a compactor for the express purpose of containing recycling as well.  A compactor was always a part of our kitchen and I love to hear it crunch, break and shatter as it begins to fill up.  All wet waste was fed to a Maytag disposal and the balance went in the compactor for a once a week cube left on the curb.  I've had all major brands, wide, narrow, rectangular and round.  Far and away the Broan template knocks them all out of the water applying higher force in a smaller container.


Post# 531720 , Reply# 16   7/20/2011 at 00:07 (4,687 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

When I visited my Mom in LA her house has a Broan compactor-don't know if it works.she doesn't use it.Wanted to try it-but she didn't want to.I have heard the Broans are good strong units-as far as household non hydraulic compactors go.For compactors-I see fewer of them used since a trash truck compactor-packer system will compact with greater force.-and the truck will handle larger objects and more waste at one time.If you like to see and hear trash truck and other large compactors at work-go to the "Classic Refuse Trucks website" they have some awesome videos of trash trucks compacting various objects and trash-yes some appliances are involved!Leaches,and EZ Packs do the best packing jobs.

Post# 531897 , Reply# 17   7/20/2011 at 19:33 (4,686 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
TRASH COMPACTOR MOTORS ON 50 CYCLES

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This is one place Rex that theory does not prevail over what actually happens. People in the US have been taking 60 cycle appliances to other countries for decades and running them on 50 cycle current  with no problems. And the last thing in the world that you would ever have a problem with is a Trash Compactor.

 

Yes disposers are partly cooled by the cold water that is recommended while using them. That does not change what I said about them not being rated for continuous operation. No home disposer is  designed for continuous operation, cold water or not. They will all start to heat up and will trip thier built in circuit breaker in 10-30 minutes of operation.


Post# 531934 , Reply# 18   7/21/2011 at 00:44 (4,686 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

What actually happens is motors do burn out if used on the wrong frequencies and voltages.I wouldn't do it.I wouldn't have even taken the 60Hz machines to a 50Hz district.I didn't say disposers (Household) were rated for cont duty.commercial ones are-their motors have rotor fans and vent slots in the motor.At where I work some employees have to do Foreign Service. Appliances are provided at the worksite or home that will run on the current there.At some of those workplaces the site has its own gensets(60Hz) so 60Hz equipment can be used at that facility.The site doesn't use local power.and for a compactor the motor isn't really running long enough for its motor fan to really do any cooling.Theory or not-you also have to consider any warrantees the machine has are voided if the device is used on improper voltages and frequencies.Best to leave the 60Hz units behind and get units designed to run on the power at the new locality.The home or building may already have them!

Post# 531946 , Reply# 19   7/21/2011 at 06:14 (4,685 days old) by limitededition ()        
50 /60 hz

They sold them in the BX's and PX's throughout Europe with full warranties, I am sure Whrlpool, GE ect. would not have allowed them to be sold and no one would have bought them without a warranty. They took longer to run a cycle and they did not spin or agitate as fast but other then that had no effect on the machine or the warranty. Some came with 50hz and 60hz timer motors that you could change once you returned to the states I know I changed some. If you look at a lot of name plates the operation was 50/60 hz 110 volts it was the voltage not the hz that voided warranties and harmed the machines.
Rick


Post# 531951 , Reply# 20   7/21/2011 at 06:34 (4,685 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

If the appliance is "slash marked" to work on 50-60Hz and voltage convertable-no problem-I am referring to appliances designed to run from 120V 60hz only.For the voltage-if the device can be used you will need a transformer to step 220V to 120V.If the appliance can be converted to run on 220v fine.some motors and appliance transformers are like this.they can be configured to run on either voltage or frequency.If the device is all electronic-generally no problem.The incoming AC is rectified and goes from there.I used to deal with tape machines and turntables that had motors slash marked for 50-60Hz power.The machine had two pulleys for the motor-one for 60Hz,other for 50Hz-and the motor windings could be configured for 120V-220V.Otari tape machines had transformers in them-the machine could be used on 120V or 220V 50-60 hz.You only needed to configure the machines transformer primary for the voltage required.the motors were electronically speed regulated.

Post# 531955 , Reply# 21   7/21/2011 at 07:23 (4,685 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        

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Yes the packer trucks do have more compaction force, but where the home compactor is a must is in reducing your trips to the curb, and the number of bags you take to the curb. 

This becomes a greater value when communities charge per bag, as our city is discussing.  1 bag over 12 wins the lotto when they charge $3 to $4 per bag.   Where it will lose value is if they go to charging households per weight.  Some companies are already weighing the carts as they pick up.  They are currently giving the customer points for recycling and the weight is how their points are determined, but it's only a matter of time.

 


Post# 532123 , Reply# 22   7/22/2011 at 00:45 (4,685 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

I can see the value of the residentual compactor if you are charged by the bag and such.The Classic Refuse Truck site does discuss and show the side load and rear load trucks with scaled cart dumpers or "wheelie bin" dumpers.the trash company than bills the custormer for the weight of trash collected.I simply use the transfer station here-folks just call it the "dump"It has a large compactor for trash,other dumpsters for electronic waste,cans and bottles,cardboard,paper,and yard waste.And this shows up as $71 per year on my property tax bill.It does beat having the RL trash truck with cart rental at $350-450 per year.and I can listen to the junk in the compactor get krushed If I ask the dump attendent!Most of the residentual trash compactors out here are unused like my Moms.Occasionally they are listed for sale.And if I spot one of the RL trucks on its route here-can ask the driver to run its compactor for me to hear the crunching-krushing sounds.One morning an exercise ball was in the trash-when the Pak-more RL truck krushed it-made a super loud POP!!like a shotgun going off!


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