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Post# 87979   10/9/2005 at 22:23 (6,773 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Well here is the premier wash load ready to go, I've had the heater on and its cycled off now so I know the water is nice and hot, ouch!




Post# 87980 , Reply# 1   10/9/2005 at 22:24 (6,773 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Some dirty stuff in there

Post# 87981 , Reply# 2   10/9/2005 at 22:25 (6,773 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Lighted from the inside of course, you know that means its video time!

Post# 87982 , Reply# 3   10/9/2005 at 22:25 (6,773 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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All done, well they look clean...

Post# 87983 , Reply# 4   10/9/2005 at 22:27 (6,773 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Well it seems it got everything clean, even the spoon and that had been dried on for six hours. The the Cream of Wheat pot from this morning even is clean, I did soak that for a while though. The filter certainly caught some stuff too.

Post# 87984 , Reply# 5   10/9/2005 at 22:30 (6,773 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        
Now the Best Part

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Here's the video, the knocking you hear is that 1/3 cup plastic measuring cup that I have hanging from the upper rack being knocked around by the spray.

The video is 3.4mb...


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Post# 87989 , Reply# 6   10/9/2005 at 22:44 (6,773 days old) by rinso (Meridian Idaho)        

Very impressive to say the least! Of course, the light you placed inside is a nice touch too. I realize that it doesn't have the gigantic capacity of today's dishwashers. But, would you say that its short cycle time and washing performance could be practical in today's kitchen? (especially if you ignored the energy consumption of the water heater) Looks like it did a pretty solid job of cleaning to me.

Post# 87991 , Reply# 7   10/9/2005 at 22:52 (6,773 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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I can't say Gene, too soon to tell after just a couple of loads. I'm sure there is a good reason Consumer Reports rated this dishwasher last, but time will tell.

Post# 87999 , Reply# 8   10/10/2005 at 00:25 (6,773 days old) by lightedcontrols ()        
tell us more...tell us more!!!

Robert, What kind of detergent did you use?....Did you just drop it in the bottom?...any kind of Jet Dry?...are you gravity draining it into a floor drain? SO many questions!!! Mark

Post# 88001 , Reply# 9   10/10/2005 at 00:28 (6,773 days old) by lightedcontrols ()        
tell us more....tell us more!!!

Robert, What kind of detergent did you use?...Did you just put it in the bottom or dispense it some other way?...any kind of Jet Dry?...SO many questions!!! Mark

Post# 88005 , Reply# 10   10/10/2005 at 00:56 (6,773 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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What a cool machine! Do you suppose the 4 jets on the top of the spray tower are to keep it down, not flying up through the glass? I love the "Feed Me Seymour" dry cycle!

Post# 88007 , Reply# 11   10/10/2005 at 01:14 (6,773 days old) by mikepaquette ()        
WOW

Robert, I do not know where you find the time. The work you do on your vintage appliances is amazing. You moved not that long ago into a new home, work, home chores, vintage appliances, .......... I could go on & on. You must have a very someone at home that helps make it all worth while. Congratulations on the Youngstown. Keep up the good work. Michael

Post# 88017 , Reply# 12   10/10/2005 at 06:20 (6,773 days old) by christfr (st louis mo)        
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i knew you could and would do it! am so very happy to see her back to orig glory..your awesome robert!

Post# 88018 , Reply# 13   10/10/2005 at 06:25 (6,773 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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NEATO!

The vertical spray arm, the top-load feature and the window really make it the most Amercian clothng-washer-like DW I have ever seen.

ENJOY.


Post# 88019 , Reply# 14   10/10/2005 at 06:32 (6,773 days old) by brent-aucoin ()        

Robert,
The video was so much fun! I just can't imagine how fun it is to hear and see your Youngstown work in person.
I just loved the way the steam entered into the machine when you first turned it on.
I was also shocked at how hard the pressure was during the wash. I always thought that the spray was like tiny little needles. Does not look like that at all. Looks very strong.
I also thought that the pump sounded so much like a Kitchenaid. It sounds very healthy.
You will love this dishwasher this winter with that pop up sauna end of cycle.
Hey, you could run this one, and the James this winter, and basically have a steam room.
Thanks for the video and the pictures.
I am so happy that you brought it back to life.
Brent


Post# 88028 , Reply# 15   10/10/2005 at 07:12 (6,773 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        

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You go BOY!

Steve


Post# 88031 , Reply# 16   10/10/2005 at 07:40 (6,773 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Luv that Pop Up feature!

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It is soooo like Aloysius--pay attention to me NOW!

That washing action doesn't look shabby to me at all and it got your peanut butter off! Love the lighted interior shot I could stand over that all day.

Wonderful way to wake up before the gym.

jet



Post# 88035 , Reply# 17   10/10/2005 at 07:46 (6,773 days old) by geoffdelp (SAUK RAPIDS)        

Robert ... Great video!! Very impressive dishwasher!! I love the way the lid pops up when it's completed and all the steam comes pouring out. That's the only way to clean dishes; hot, hot, hot water!!

Thanks for sharing ...


Post# 88044 , Reply# 18   10/10/2005 at 08:26 (6,773 days old) by bethann (Indianapolis)        

Very cool Robert!
When it started washing I noticed it rocking. Does it really rock like that or was it the camera? The lid is cool as hell. I wonder how many people it freaked out when it popped open for the first time? Can you imagine how many kids had to show that to their friends!


Post# 88052 , Reply# 19   10/10/2005 at 09:03 (6,773 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Thanks everyone, I'm glad you all enjoyed the video. A picture might be worth a thousand words, but a video…

Mark, I used 1/4 cup of Cascade Complete and nothing else. I just poured in into the machine just as if it was a washing machine. I figured a quarter cup is about what goes into filling both cups of a modern dishwasher. The machine is simply a gravity drain machine, but I did install an electric pump on its drain line and wired it in parallel with the drain valve solenoid circuit, that way I could install the machine anywhere I want.

Greg, during one cycle I covered those four holes on top of the Jet-Tower with duct tape. The Jet-Tower weights at least 10 pounds so there is no way it’s gonna lift off. I don't know exactly what the engineers at Youngstown were thinking with those four large spray holes on top. I would just take one hole to keep the window clean, maybe the spray fans out off the glass window and falls back down over the items loaded in the upper rack???

Brent I was thinking I could kill two birds with one stone by washing the dishes and when the lid pops up I can run over and get a facial too! That spring loaded lid is very strong; I bet it would throw some stuff off of it if someone accidentally left something on it.


Post# 88053 , Reply# 20   10/10/2005 at 09:05 (6,773 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Bethann the rocking was the video camera, I found the best way to film through this window lid was to put the tripod right on top of the dishwasher lid.

Post# 88068 , Reply# 21   10/10/2005 at 09:31 (6,773 days old) by retromom ()        
YAY for Yummy Youngstown!

Oh Robert!!!!

What a wonderful dishwasher! Austin showed me the video this morning!! I absolutely love that square wash tower!! Call me a bit crazy, but she looks and sounds like a washer (makes me wish modern top-loaders had clear windows).

You have done a fantastic job on her restoration! She is museum-quality minty!

Congrats again and ENJOY! :-D

Venus


Post# 88079 , Reply# 22   10/10/2005 at 09:51 (6,773 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
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Robert
This is realy awsome and a window too. What more can you ask for. I love the sound.
Peter


Post# 88086 , Reply# 23   10/10/2005 at 10:24 (6,773 days old) by jerseymike ()        
Awesome!!!

That was so cool. Every dishwasher should have a window! Thanks for sharing and for saving this wonderful machine! I loved both the sights and the sounds. That pop-up lid was cool. Now I know why the instruction manual cautions against putting things on top of the lid when the dishwasher is in operations.

It got everything clean. I wonder why Consumer Reports rated it dead last? Maybe today's dishwasher detergent makes for superior cleaning?

Mike


Post# 88087 , Reply# 24   10/10/2005 at 10:24 (6,773 days old) by customline (pennsylvania)        
Customline replies

Wow what a show! Restoration is second to none. The unit is so clean you could eat off of it.

Post# 88097 , Reply# 25   10/10/2005 at 11:23 (6,773 days old) by parunner58 (Davenport, FL)        

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Loved the video, As repeated from above, every dishwasher should have a window.

another fantastic restoration, I have got to get to a convention to see some of the restored machines.

MikeO


Post# 88108 , Reply# 26   10/10/2005 at 12:54 (6,773 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)        

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Very cool! Congrats on such a fun dishwasher!

Post# 88119 , Reply# 27   10/10/2005 at 13:33 (6,773 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
I want one!!!!!

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Who cares how it cleans, with such a feature of the pop up lid! Very cool machine Robert, thank you very much for the video!!!

Post# 88133 , Reply# 28   10/10/2005 at 15:15 (6,773 days old) by jmirawm (Barling Arkansas)        
How Fun !

It would have been a hard decision had mom been using one of these and runnning it at the same time as the washing machine!

Post# 88137 , Reply# 29   10/10/2005 at 16:24 (6,773 days old) by agiflow ()        

Great work Robert!! What a fun machine this one is, i wonder how CR would have rated this machine today with our modern detergents?

Post# 88142 , Reply# 30   10/10/2005 at 17:42 (6,773 days old) by gregm ()        
congrads and thank you

thanks for your time in sharing all of that Robert, once AGAIN you did a great job and it is truly a very cool machine to say the least .............

Post# 88156 , Reply# 31   10/10/2005 at 18:45 (6,773 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Darlings, IMHO the four water holes on top of the wash-arm are are not only to keep spinach bits off the window put for DRAMA....


I repeat D R A M A .......LOL


Post# 88179 , Reply# 32   10/10/2005 at 21:30 (6,773 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Thanks, Robert for the great video. Maybe it was the light, but I never saw steam fill the tank during fill. Yours was a lot more "perky" during the fill. Was that the first fill? I guess you condensed shots taken during the whole cycle. Maybe your pump is stronger, but the ones I watched just gradually built pressure and the little side holes started spouting water, first like in a downward arc, then in a more forceful spray. The turning of the tower in those was a bit start and stop. I imagine that the modern detergent helped the results, but the cream of wheat pan coming clean is impressive. As for the pop up lid for drying, that used to be the norm for top loaders. The GE impeller portables did it, as did the top load GEs in the electric sinks. The D&M top loading portables with the fan on during the dry and the Hotpoint & WH machines stayed closed. The Preway gas dishwaser, after rinsing at 180 degrees, opened the drop down door about 3 inches to flash dry the dishes.

Maybe you could make some deflectors for some of the top 4 holes. I think they were to let anything that got past the strainer escape. Imagine if a green pea or two got put under the strainer by somebody and managed to make it through the pump without being destroyed then got blown up onto the glass. If you ran it with just warm water and no strainers and some frozen peas or corn, they could look like bullets coming out of a Gatling gun, at least maybe at the beginning.

Now, folks, as wonderful as that super hot water was, let me tell you what it meant in real life and why all of the dishwasher owner friends that we talked to before buying ours said, "Be sure it has a pre-rinse." If you had eggs for breakfast or had a bowl with some bits of raw hamburger left from mixing a meat loaf and put them in with any of that remaining on the dish, it was instantly cooked on when the very hot water hit the dishes. To make it even more fun, try it with an impeller machine like our neighbor's Kenmore builtin from maybe 57 or so. The wash started, no pre rinse, just a flush then fill and it blew the egg up into the glasses where it cooked on and only soaking and washing by hand with one of those soft scrubber things on the end of a spoon finally dislodged it. Mom made sure that never happened with our machines by rinsing the egg off.

I just happened to notice that the 1950 Apex free-standing model 970-1 was available with or without an illuminated interior as well as with or without the glass look-in lid. This was another machine with a Monel water heating tank. The early model only gave one rinse, later it was 2. Consumer Reports said it gave better results with two rinses. Like the Youngstown, its capacity was service for 6. Fortunately, our friends' Apex did not have either the illumination or glass. It might have resulted in an embarrassing situation when it came time to leave.


Post# 88207 , Reply# 33   10/10/2005 at 22:51 (6,772 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Thanks Tom, yes the steam is much more noticeable with the dishwasher tank lighted from the inside. You are correct that was the first fill that I filmed and it was only condensed shots of the fill, the Tower moves like you say, turning in bits and starts at first, then it progressively gets faster and stronger as more water fills into the machine.

I was surprised about the Cream of Wheat pot coming clean too, but I soaked it all afternoon, but there still was some cereal left clinging to the bottom and sides of the pot, it must be the combination of the very hot water and Cascade Complete.

You are probably right about the 4 holes on top to let larger bits of food escape, I never thought of that Tom that's a really good theory.

Now hopefully I can get the pump seal and bearing taken care of and finish this project. Wow an Apex Dish-a-Matic with a window lid I knew about, but I never realized they came with a lighted interior! That would be a cool find to say the least.


Post# 88233 , Reply# 34   10/11/2005 at 09:09 (6,772 days old) by frontaloadotmy (the cool gay realm)        
Love the Percolator start

I will add the Minnesota Museum of Modern Marvels to the US
leg of the tour! In the meantime I'll keep my "Automatic
Electronic Cool Thing Locater Mechanism" set to ultrasensitive
for the illuminated Apex Unit! I would like to suggest that you keep handy a jar of Noxema, for the post cycle facials.
I think a thin application every other cycle will keep
you in youthful beauty for years to come!


Post# 88236 , Reply# 35   10/11/2005 at 09:16 (6,772 days old) by veg-o-matic (Baltimore, Hon!)        

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Robert, I don't think I could add anything that hasn't already been said. It's interesing how something can be so hot and so cool at the same time!

I'm also pleased (and dangalang may be, too) that you make coffee in a percolator. Gotta love those P/S perks! Does yours have the light in the bottom?

veg


Post# 88363 , Reply# 36   10/11/2005 at 21:25 (6,772 days old) by westytoploader ()        

WOW...what a cool machine! The Jet-Tower rotates much faster than I thought and it doesn't look like it gives bad performance either...I wonder if it has to do with the modern detergents? Good luck repairing the pump seal!

LOVE the sound when it starts up and hasn't reached full spray power yet...reminds me of an 18" D&M Kenmore! (Dodges slap)


Post# 88372 , Reply# 37   10/11/2005 at 21:56 (6,772 days old) by duetboy ()        
All I can say is.....

WOOOOOOOOW

duetboy

aka jeff


Post# 88401 , Reply# 38   10/12/2005 at 07:18 (6,771 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Good thinkng Tom

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I also bet that the 4 holes placed as they are atop the holes in the corner assures that there are no airlocks in the tower due to superheated air from the hot water; as that would prevent water from climbing up the tower completely to spray out all the holes top to bottom.

You'd have missed areas of cleaning if it did vapro lock just like an Amana Radarange with a bad stirrer and uneven heating spots.



Post# 88410 , Reply# 39   10/12/2005 at 07:37 (6,771 days old) by agiflow ()        

Pic # 3 looks like a washer at the end of a spin drain. High and spread out LOL.

Post# 88446 , Reply# 40   10/12/2005 at 10:16 (6,771 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Does yours have the light in the bottom.

Sure does Veg, the coffee just seems to taste better if its lit up from the bottom. I generally only use coffee makers that have seperate pots so I can put in the dishwasher.


Post# 88565 , Reply# 41   10/12/2005 at 20:30 (6,771 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Robert, I was blown over. I do not remember "grammas'" tower twirling that fast. At best it was half between that initial segment and the final washing segment with it twirling around as it was. If it had twrirled that fast, I really would have gotten into the machihne. Yes, I did enjoy watching it though. And glad to have the memories refreshed.

Post# 88570 , Reply# 42   10/12/2005 at 20:39 (6,771 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Bob what really makes a difference in this machine is if the water pressure senser is set properly. Its very touchy, 1/10 of an inch in either direction makes a huge difference in how much water fills into the machine, if the dishwasher is not getting enough water the tower turns much slower.

Post# 88786 , Reply# 43   10/13/2005 at 20:46 (6,770 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
pressure sensor or, in case of smoke, censer, see.......

...Why does my dishwasher smell like High Mass at Smokey Mary's?

I wonder if that was what was wrong with the Consumer Reports machine (and with the few I saw)? I remember how Consumers' Research, I think, rated the GE combo unacceptable because of very poor water extraction (imagine how bad it had to be to flunk out on that), then found out that the OOB switch mechanism was not working properly and when that was corrected, it was still no star, but no worse than the rest of the early 60s combos at water extraction. Properly calibrated, this could have been the best 30" wide dishwasher to wash no more than 6 glasses.


Post# 88821 , Reply# 44   10/14/2005 at 06:27 (6,769 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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oh Tom, your commentaries are priceless, and hugely informative, LUV IT!

TYVM


Post# 88834 , Reply# 45   10/14/2005 at 08:45 (6,769 days old) by deeptub (Carbondale, IL)        
Percolator in the dishwasher

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Robert, I have a P/S Starflite percolator that I haven't put through the dishwasher as I've been concerned that the fabulous stars would fade away. But yours looks terrific--do you machine wash it regularly?

T.


Post# 88835 , Reply# 46   10/14/2005 at 08:46 (6,769 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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I was thinking the exact same thing Tom, the pump pressure sensor is mounted next to the pump. The pump outlet port has a small spring loaded rod that moves in and out, the higher the water pressure moving through the pump outlet up to the Jet-Tower the further this rod moves out. When it reaches its necessary force the rod pushes a button on a microswitch which starts the timer motor moving, which shuts off the water valve. This microswitch is not mounted very securely so I could see how it could get moved slightly during transit.

Post# 88836 , Reply# 47   10/14/2005 at 08:48 (6,769 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        
Starflight Perc Glass

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"do you machine wash it regularly?"

Yes, every evening.


Post# 89017 , Reply# 48   10/15/2005 at 12:06 (6,768 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
NEW FOR '52 from Youngstown

From the April, 1952 Electrical Merchandising:
Selling Features: Hydro-Electric control (as opposed to a hydroelectric power plant), an operating system (computer lingo in 1952!) that employs electricity and water pressure to insure positive action in each phase of the 9 3/4 min. wash-rinse cycle...flat porcelain enameled lid provides extra work surface (HORRORS! NO MORE WINDOW..Even Westinghouse Dryers got a window in '52)
Upper racking basket holds up to 50 per cent more including stemware, ash trays, coasters (you always have so many of these two items), cutlery basket is vinyl covered, curved to hang on outer rim of rack, holds service for 6 (still).



Post# 89847 , Reply# 49   10/20/2005 at 09:19 (6,763 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
Last Word In Automatic Dishwashing

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There's a movie in the Prelinger Archives about this dishwasher called "The Last Word in Automatic Dishwashing". It's a movie for salesmen that is supposed to help selling this dishwasher to the housewife. I love the Prelinger Archives and will start a new thread about it in the Super forum. Lots of gems there.

Louis


CLICK HERE TO GO TO foraloysius's LINK


Post# 90231 , Reply# 50   10/23/2005 at 08:16 (6,760 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
questions

So what brands are the washer, range, and refrigerator the modern housewife is shown using? And what brands are those appliances in the later shot with picture overlays of those 3 appliances.

Incidnetally, is there a rinse cycle in this machine?


Post# 90353 , Reply# 51   10/23/2005 at 23:12 (6,759 days old) by tlee618 ()        

Thanks for the neat video Robert! Sure looks like the machine has great washing action. How long does the complete cycle take? Love the way the lid just pops up at the end and all that steam rising. Thanks so much for sharing with us. Terry

Post# 90390 , Reply# 52   10/24/2005 at 06:21 (6,759 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

two rinses, 9.75 minutes

Post# 90452 , Reply# 53   10/24/2005 at 13:35 (6,759 days old) by tlee618 ()        

Thanks Tom for the information. Now that is what we could call a "quick" wash.LOL Terry

Post# 90482 , Reply# 54   10/24/2005 at 17:39 (6,759 days old) by drmitch ()        

Robert, This is so cool! Love the action!

Post# 90498 , Reply# 55   10/24/2005 at 19:36 (6,759 days old) by angus (Fairfield, CT.)        

WOW! Beautiful , Robert, just beautiful........

Post# 90505 , Reply# 56   10/24/2005 at 19:52 (6,759 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Quick Wash

Hi Terry,

The Dishlex machines in Australia starting with the Mark 8 in 1980 has a 14minute fast wash, when the machine was connected to 55-65degC hot water.

Prewash, Wash, Rinse, Rinse, Off.

By the mid 80's they'd gotten it down to 12 minutes.

We used to use the fast wash, when we had lots of friends over. Mum would use it to clean bowls plates and cups that didnt have dried on crap. If it was lightly soiled it always came clean.

When they ditched the old style machines in the mid 90's the fast wash was increased to about 30 minutes, but that was due to the cold water connection.


Post# 90535 , Reply# 57   10/24/2005 at 22:17 (6,758 days old) by tlee618 ()        

Thanks for the information Nathan, I think it is to bad that we have totally gotten away from this today. Like you said when you have company with lots of glasses and such it would be great to have a 15 min. cycle. Would also be great for glassware that you just have sitting around for decoration where all they really need is a light wash. Terry

Post# 90576 , Reply# 58   10/25/2005 at 02:49 (6,758 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
Light wash

"Like you said when you have company with lots of glasses and such it would be great to have a 15 min. cycle. Would also be great for glassware that you just have sitting around for decoration where all they really need is a light wash. Terry"

What I do in situations like that is run the Rinse & Hold cycle twice, once with detergent and once without.


Post# 90770 , Reply# 59   10/26/2005 at 06:39 (6,757 days old) by tlee618 ()        

Sounds like a great idea and if you have really hot water they should dry pretty well. Terry

Post# 90849 , Reply# 60   10/26/2005 at 20:45 (6,757 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
Quick wash

On a machine that still has the "Plate Warm" cycle, one can use that after the 2 Rinse & Hold cycles to cut drying time.

Post# 90986 , Reply# 61   10/27/2005 at 21:30 (6,756 days old) by bostonwash ()        
great job

Really where do you get the time? It looks so great and with the light it makes it the perfect kitchen accent.


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