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Thread Number: 35865
miele w3033 from 120 to 240 volts |
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| Post# 534824 8/3/2011 at 17:20 (4,794 days old) by italmex (milano) | ||
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Hello, anyone knows how to change the washer from 120 to 240 volts. I know it is possible but i don't know how thanks. | ||
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| Post# 534848 , Reply# 1 8/3/2011 at 20:21 (4,794 days old) by vacfanatic () | ||
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I don't know how you would do that on the W3033. I own one and it's all built for american 120V - there is a stepup transformer inside it that converts the 120 to 240. Some of the components run off 120, some 240 inside this machine. 
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| Post# 534849 , Reply# 2 8/3/2011 at 20:22 (4,794 days old) by vacfanatic () | ||
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| Post# 534850 , Reply# 3 8/3/2011 at 20:28 (4,794 days old) by vacfanatic () | ||
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Also note that the programming in the W3033 as shown in my video link only goes to 70C, and the W3033 only has 1 heater rated at 1060 Watts. I've also got the factory service manual and it does not have any information about conversion to 240V. 
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| Post# 534878 , Reply# 5 8/3/2011 at 23:13 (4,794 days old) by vacfanatic () | ||
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| Post# 534879 , Reply# 6 8/3/2011 at 23:25 (4,794 days old) by italmex (milano) | ||
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Thanks, hope to see my miele at 240 and if you have any idea please let me know. Thanks. Miele is a great machine. | ||
Post# 534930 , Reply# 7 8/4/2011 at 09:18 (4,794 days old) by mysteryclock  (Franklin, TN) |
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Another alternative, if you don't already have a W3033, is to get a Little Giant (PW6065). They are quite spendy ($4k US$ vs. $2K for the W3033) but they come already wired for 240v, can do a 95C boil wash and can be had in any color you want as long as it is stainless steel! With those you'd also maintain your warranty coverage running at 240v, unlike a conversion which would pretty much cause Miele to laugh and hang up the phone. And, in spite of the price differences, it wouldn't take too many blown components in a W3033 paid for out of pocket to close the gap between it and the Little Giant.
If only Miele would introduce the Octoplus in the US for land-bound (non-Marine) customers. Now that's a washer! CLICK HERE TO GO TO mysteryclock's LINK | ||
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Post# 534931 , Reply# 8 8/4/2011 at 09:21 (4,794 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN) |
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Post# 534932 , Reply# 9 8/4/2011 at 09:23 (4,794 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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| Post# 534944 , Reply# 12 8/4/2011 at 10:30 (4,794 days old) by italmex (milano) | ||
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I didn't buy the pw6065 for basicaly 2 reasons. first the price and second whit 30000 working hr for 2 people it will last for 40 years and honestly I can get a little tired to it every day. | ||
| Post# 534971 , Reply# 15 8/4/2011 at 12:21 (4,794 days old) by italmex (milano) | ||
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220V domestic miele models are out of market at the moment. That is the reason I have a 120V machine. | ||
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Post# 535075 , Reply# 16 8/4/2011 at 18:05 (4,793 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Only thing that I'm interested is to know how to change 
You do not know if it will result in any significant savings because you do not know the parameters of how the machine is programmed. For all you know Miele for reasons not disclosed to the public may control the heating portion of a cycle regardless of how much power is used.
You also do not know what the machine will do in response to heating water faster. It may proceed with the rest of the cycle as programmed, or it could speed-up the remainder of the cycles. | ||
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Post# 535482 , Reply# 22 8/7/2011 at 09:03 (4,791 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia) |
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"I'm sure it will be cheaper..." It won't. It's a scientific fact. | ||
| Post# 535558 , Reply# 23 8/7/2011 at 17:50 (4,790 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
Guarantee? | ||
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Post# 535585 , Reply# 24 8/7/2011 at 19:05 (4,790 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Not All Front Loaders With Heaters
Even European versions past or present will hold the timer until set temperature.
It all comes down to what parameters the timer/mother board is set for versus incoming water temperature against desired temp. For instance my mechanical/electronic Miele will only stay in the heating portion of the cycle based upon timer settings (factory). Once the time is up in either "long" or "short" cycles the timer will advance to the next portion of the cycle. Mind you the heater will stay on until the thermostat registers the desired temp and shuts it off. However if the incoming water was cold or very cold and one chose a very high wash temp (>140 or >170) there is good chance the wash cycle will end before water reaches that temperature. OTHO my Miele has 3000 watts of heating power so in theory that should be more than enough juice to take ice water to boiling in the allowed amount of time. Given how Miele has gone to all 120v washers with only around 1000 watts of heating power, one can see how a short cycle coupled with cold fill with cold or very cold water could cause problems reaching hot or very hot temperatures. | ||
| Post# 535597 , Reply# 25 8/7/2011 at 20:17 (4,790 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Hmmm... | ||
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Post# 535724 , Reply# 28 8/8/2011 at 14:15 (4,790 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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The Dealer Passes
I give up, as the guy will not be moved! *LOL*
Had a feeling that he is using his Miele as a cold fill only which indeed could cause problems. There just isn't enough heating power to take cold water to anything but perhaps 100F or if pushed about 120F (and evne then), within the cycle times alloted on these machines. There is also the fact many modern detergents work so well in cold or cool water that things will be mostly clean by the time temperature reaches anywhere near "hot". | ||
| Post# 535733 , Reply# 29 8/8/2011 at 15:25 (4,790 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Cold Water Detergents
I agree. I think the cold water formulas work quite well and are the wave of the future. I was told that a washing machine with an on board heater will be hard to find in 5 years so we had better get used to it. I would also suspect that like more efficient dishwashers, clothes washer cycles will get longer too.
Malcolm | ||
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Post# 535741 , Reply# 30 8/8/2011 at 16:29 (4,789 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Longer Cycle Times
Oh I don't know about that.
Long cycle times + low water levels = textile damage. Consumer Reports amoung other sources have been reporting for some time now the modern front loading washing machines aren't as gentle on fabrics as they once were. These problems only began increasing when washers began using less water and longer cycle times to make the "Energy Star" people happy. Dishes are another matter and can withstand far more abuse. However given the *fairy pee* stream of water used in many modern dishwashers it's not like they are being scoured to death during those long cycles. Regarding onboard heaters most commercial laundromat machines manage to get on without them, as do many other washers used in that setting. However lack of warm or hot water does mean detergents must be stronger (and also perhaps other chemicals such as bleach) to balance the famous five variables off good laundry practice. | ||
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Post# 535765 , Reply# 31 8/8/2011 at 17:23 (4,789 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 535791 , Reply# 32 8/8/2011 at 20:02 (4,789 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Well Yes | ||
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Post# 535829 , Reply# 33 8/9/2011 at 03:55 (4,789 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) |
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I wonder when one gets into the Technical program of this machine if there are Country settings. My Miele LaPerla dishwasher has that where I can access settings. The Austrailian setting changes the cycles and temp ranges, there is a Southern Europe, Japan, USA and I cant remember the rest but it does change the programming some. You might want to check that out before you go tinkering with stuff and especially with a young machine like this.
Another thing is that 1000 watts is plenty to heat the water in the machine. Its not like your heating an entire tub of water. I know in my Miele 4800 washer it doesnt take long at all for the water to get nice and hot and in my opinion 158F is plenty hot. | ||
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Post# 536041 , Reply# 35 8/9/2011 at 21:17 (4,788 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida) |
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I don't plan on changing country settings on my 4800 washer. I am happy with it the way it is. I was saying for this instance where he wants a higher temp he might be able to access the Programming. If I had a 3033 machine I would be happy the way it is. I would tinker with the water plus but that's it. Besides the 4800 doesn't have a screen and I can't figure out the flashes on the panel to save my life.
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| Post# 536810 , Reply# 40 8/13/2011 at 15:23 (4,785 days old) by italmex (milano) | ||
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It is correct,at sanitary the machine reach the temp to 70°. | ||
| Post# 537353 , Reply# 41 8/16/2011 at 12:35 (4,782 days old) by italmex (milano) | ||
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Hi, no body have any good advice about how to change the sistem from 120 to 240. I know that is not so difficult but some good help is welcome. | ||
| Post# 537670 , Reply# 43 8/17/2011 at 19:33 (4,780 days old) by italmex (milano) | ||
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thanks | ||
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