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Post# 537616   8/17/2011 at 15:17 (4,686 days old) by appliancelou (Lyndhurst New Jersey)        

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I hit the mother load by accident found a Vestel washer and dishwasher. Need help both have same voltage usage plug. Both are 230 volt units Washer made in Italy ,
dishwasher made in France. I have a 220 volt line. Can I or how can I connect the washer to line even though its stated 230 volts? Do I need a adaptor or what?
Desperate cannot wait to use and play with them. Any information will be appreciated.
Lou





Post# 537617 , Reply# 1   8/17/2011 at 15:18 (4,686 days old) by appliancelou (Lyndhurst New Jersey)        
Vestel washer

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washer

Post# 537618 , Reply# 2   8/17/2011 at 15:19 (4,686 days old) by appliancelou (Lyndhurst New Jersey)        
Vestel washer

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Post# 537619 , Reply# 3   8/17/2011 at 15:19 (4,686 days old) by appliancelou (Lyndhurst New Jersey)        
Vestel washer

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another control

Post# 537620 , Reply# 4   8/17/2011 at 15:20 (4,686 days old) by appliancelou (Lyndhurst New Jersey)        
Dishwasher!

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Post# 537621 , Reply# 5   8/17/2011 at 15:21 (4,686 days old) by appliancelou (Lyndhurst New Jersey)        
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Post# 537622 , Reply# 6   8/17/2011 at 15:21 (4,686 days old) by appliancelou (Lyndhurst New Jersey)        
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Post# 537623 , Reply# 7   8/17/2011 at 15:22 (4,686 days old) by appliancelou (Lyndhurst New Jersey)        
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Post# 537624 , Reply# 8   8/17/2011 at 15:33 (4,686 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom)        

Washer is a rebadged sangorgio
the dishwasher is a rebadged brandt
and i would suggest an adaptor but if a connection is poor it wiil cause a fire


Post# 537627 , Reply# 9   8/17/2011 at 15:49 (4,686 days old) by appliancelou (Lyndhurst New Jersey)        
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Thanks for answer - but can it be hooked up to 220 volt saftly without damage to machine even though it says 230 volt? I am in the dark over here.

Post# 537628 , Reply# 10   8/17/2011 at 16:00 (4,686 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA)        

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I think you may need more than an adapter. I would guess it is for 50 Hz power, while we have 60 Hz power in the US.

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Post# 537630 , Reply# 11   8/17/2011 at 16:09 (4,686 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        

Europe was 220 volts, the UK was 240 volts.

There was a nominal "alignment" of voltage to 230 volts.

In reality though, the voltage in the UK at least, stays at around 240, but can approach 250 volts. (This was the scenario that sparked the Bosch UK dishwasher recall).


The problem with the Vestel machines might be the frequency of Alternating Current: 50Hz as opposed to 60Hz.

What does the ratings plate say?


Post# 537632 , Reply# 12   8/17/2011 at 16:20 (4,686 days old) by appliancelou (Lyndhurst New Jersey)        
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Thanks both machines are 50Hz
Is a stepup transformer what I would need that goes up to 3000 walts
washer states from 1900 to 2150 W - we think that means watts
Lou


Post# 537645 , Reply# 13   8/17/2011 at 18:20 (4,686 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
1900 to 2150 W

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...is definately 'Watts'......


Post# 537666 , Reply# 14   8/17/2011 at 19:22 (4,686 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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No adapter or transformer will fix the "cycles" (HERTZ) issue.

On 60hz (here in the USA) the machines' 50hz motors and timers will be 20% faster. I am not sure if this is a fire-hazard or not per se.

HOWEVER here, our 220v is a split-phase double-hot system. In places with 220 (line to ground/neutral) it is not. Generally for safety BOTH SIDES A 220v CIRCUIT (HERE) must be protected by a fuse and BOTH sides must be switched for safety.

If you do decide to use those appliances here

1- never leave them unattended.
2- never leave them plugged-in when not in use.

Other than a motor-generator set to provide the "proper" 220v 50hz/Hertz current I don't know how to advise you.

I have heard of a 220v Miele vacuum cleaner used here on our current, but in all fairness there is no additional load to such a motor (except when the bag is full) and it is probably very well air-cooled, and densest run for 2 hours continuously!

If you are DYING to try them, get a Euro power-strip (of adequate amperage) or extension cord, cut off the male end (LOL) and add a USA 220v plug that fits your (female)receptacle.

PLEASE BE CAREFUL.

The rest of the world will laugh, but we are not used to 220v power here and generally need to fear and respect it for the dangers involved.

The joy of 110-120 volts is if you do anything stupid or careless you get to live to do it again.


P.S. so yes the difference between 220 to 240 volts can be considered generally "in name only" and is, for the most part, meaningless.

Perhaps we should convert the whole world to 220v 60 hertz and be done with it!


Post# 537672 , Reply# 15   8/17/2011 at 19:59 (4,686 days old) by appliancelou (Lyndhurst New Jersey)        
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Thanks Toggles for the information.


Post# 537720 , Reply# 16   8/17/2011 at 23:14 (4,686 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)        

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They sure looks Danbyesque to me...


Post# 537749 , Reply# 17   8/18/2011 at 01:54 (4,686 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Just to say something here about 120V-ITS DEADLY!!! Don't take it for granted.More people are killed from 120V in the US than other voltages.When people deal with the higher voltages they are normally more careful.Those that get killed take the attitude-"Its only 120V it won't hurt me"that can get you killed.Please, you appliance collectors and experimentors out there-treat 120V with the respect it deserves-it CAN KILL you.Wether its 120V,208V,240V,480V,or whatever BE CAREFUL!Stay alive!ANY powerline voltage is dangerous.for the 50Hz issue-besides the higher speeds in motors-Convertors to change US 60Hz power to 50Hz power are available-but VERY expensive.In a shop where I worked at they had a convertor device that changed 120-220V to 220V,400V 50Hz,60Hz or even 400Hz.Never used it but they had it.It could handle up to a 1000w load.

Post# 537750 , Reply# 18   8/18/2011 at 01:54 (4,686 days old) by Docker (Cape Town, South Africa)        
Frequency

These machines should work on 220V (p-p), but as Toggleswitch stated, the timers use synchronous motors where the speed is determined by the frequency & therefore cycles will be completed sooner. South Africa also aligned the voltages to those of Europe in the early 80's, going from 220 - 230v (p-n) & 380 - 400v (p-p). Sockets went from 15A - 16A. If you cut the plug off, the colours will be: green/yellow: earth, Brown: live & Neutral: Blue. The plug shown above is known as a Shuko plug; ie Shutz Kontakt or sheltered contact. There is no chance of touching the pins when inserting or removing it. All sockets in Europe are unswitched.

Post# 537756 , Reply# 19   8/18/2011 at 04:42 (4,686 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
USING 50 CYCLE APPLIANCES HERE

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Both of your machines should work fine here if you properly change the plugs as described in the last post. The washer will spin and tumble 15% faster and the cycle time will be 15% faster YAY. The DW pump will produce a little more pressure as it is running 15% faster and as stated the overall cycle time will be up to 15% shorter. Probably again a big improvement.

 

You either have 240 volts or 208 volts at your home there is no 220 power in the US anymore, either one of these voltages should work fine. I have had several European 220- 50 cycle washers and dryers here for years and they work just fine, except that the dryers tend to tumble too fast so the clothing tends to cling to the drum and doesn't dry properly, so those dryers actually ended up getting recycled. But they did run just fine for many hours. 

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Post# 537758 , Reply# 20   8/18/2011 at 05:03 (4,686 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

If you are running the 50Hz machine on 60Hz and want the orig operating speeds-can you get the 60Hz pulleys from the device builder-the deal I faced in adapting tape recorders at the place I used to work at to run on 50Hz power and vice versa.The tape machine maker provided 50 or 60 Hz pulleys or capstans so the machine would run at the proper speed.for some recorders the capstan motor(the part that determines tape speed)was referenced and derived electronically so the power line primary frequency wasn't an issue(Otari,Studer-Revox decks).the same could be said for appliances-if the motor(s) in it have electronically derived speeds-then the powerline frequency would not matter.On the tape machines-they could be tapped to run on 120V,208V,or 220-240V by selecting power transformer taps in the machine.

Post# 537857 , Reply# 21   8/18/2011 at 12:45 (4,685 days old) by appliancelou (Lyndhurst New Jersey)        
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guys want to thank you all for all the imformation at least i know i will not damage the machines like you said get done faster all the better cant wait to get them going any other imformation should know im all ears LOL! thanks again LOU

Post# 538000 , Reply# 22   8/19/2011 at 01:18 (4,685 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Perhaps you're going to have some issues with the drain pump. I always have this kind of issue when I buy any washer in Argentina.
50hz drain pumps won't run correctly in 60hz. Luckily, they are very easy do replace and you don't need to reclace the full pump, only the electric part of it.

If you can't find a 220V pump, I can send from Brazil (here we have both 127V and 220v 60hz)

The machine will run a little bit faster, but it's not significant or harmful. And the best of it, you'll have faster spins.


Post# 538001 , Reply# 23   8/19/2011 at 01:21 (4,685 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

And about the plug, I recommend that instead of an adapter that could be overloaded and melt, you simply cut the power cable and install an standard plug, always repecting the ground prong

Post# 538844 , Reply# 24   8/22/2011 at 18:26 (4,681 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Lou, you just said you couldn't find your thread, here it is...



Guys, This post is only to make the thread go up and be visibe to Lou as he couldn't find it among the others to post more pics and asked me for some help.



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