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Whirlpool dishwasher sales resource guide for 2011 |
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Post# 545213   9/22/2011 at 21:18 (4,740 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)   |   | |
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Post# 545247 , Reply# 25   9/22/2011 at 22:54 (4,740 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 545283 , Reply# 26   9/23/2011 at 06:07 (4,739 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney)   |   | |
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That's actually sad, but no matter how hard I try, I can't get excited over triple filtration. What is wrong with me!? |
Post# 545342 , Reply# 27   9/23/2011 at 10:35 (4,739 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 545386 , Reply# 29   9/23/2011 at 12:31 (4,739 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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I am not impressed with non-self-cleaning filters, long cycle/programme times and the need for dishwasher silence rather than performance.
Ditto the need to run one wash arm at a time. (Europe close your ears!!!) Why why why are we going toward this engineering? Lets get back forced-air drying and add tub lights. ROBERT: if you could design a "universal" interface to replace the controls of these new dishwashers and washers with a PC /Mac version and get them to perform as in the old days, you'd be rich. (When you become rich may I become your butler/assistant/maid/servant? LOL) |
Post# 545406 , Reply# 31   9/23/2011 at 13:32 (4,739 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 545494 , Reply# 33   9/23/2011 at 20:55 (4,739 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Odors. Slate color tub minimizes the *appearance* of tub-staining. White film on glassware; get a water softener. Time is hopefully on your side; you could turn on the dishwasher in the morning before leaving for work, come home for lunch and catch the final rinse.
Well all this sounds just lovely. No thanks. Looks like dishwasher manufacturers have given up on trying to convince customers to stop pre-rinsing and designed a dishwasher that depends upon it. 2.7 gallons of water. Feh. The KDS-14 uses nearly that much in the pre-wash. I cleaned the kitchen freezer last night and put all of the racks, bins and shelves into one load, along with a stray drinking glass. Started the machine and in 18 minutes, they were all clean and ready to put back into the freezer. The machine had time to spare as it took me longer to wipe out the interior and sort the contents before I was even ready for the racks. Resources? This machine does not heat the water so I used tap hot water, no dry cycle. We're on a municipal water system so the water that I used last night will be clean and flowing back out of the faucet in a relatively short time. Water used does not disappear from the planet forever, it gets recycled over and over again. I have a 50 gallon hot water heater so the water I used was already heated. Our utility pricing is pretty low compared to other parts of the country so I realize the costs can be crippling for those on a tight budget. For my money, I'll keep the KitchenAid(s), Maytag and Kenmore Roto-Rack. |
Post# 545515 , Reply# 34   9/23/2011 at 22:01 (4,739 days old) by A440 ()   |   | |
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Amen, and Amen Greg!!! 6.20 - 7.00 hours for "normal soil"? CRAZY! How could this machine last any amount of time running that much? |
Post# 545535 , Reply# 35   9/23/2011 at 23:14 (4,739 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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My most objections is the time and the max temperature the high temp wash option uses. In the sears manual that I posted a few weeks back the hi temp goes up to 130 - so that is also probably why it takes longer because it actually washes in cooler water. I dont mind to much it uses less water and the wash arms only work one at a time. But for me at least make the water real hot to wash!
I like the way they say built with Pride. They made so many steps backwards. They should take a look at what they used to make and make a real comparison in performance! Peter |
Post# 545586 , Reply# 36   9/24/2011 at 11:00 (4,738 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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me in my case i much prefer to own a silent dishwasher than having one thats noisy here is a short video of my dishwasher in action.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO pierreandreply4's LINK |
Post# 545624 , Reply# 38   9/24/2011 at 16:51 (4,738 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 545637 , Reply# 39   9/24/2011 at 19:04 (4,738 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains )   |   | |
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How is this a resource saver?Yes it might save some water and energy to heat the water but running a dishwasher that long everyday.Our 1984 Maytag lasted 13 years and it was still working when we got rid of it.A 7 hour wash overnight cycle and heavy wash of just shy of 5 hours this machine will last 3 to 4 years and be in the land fill.I bet it takes more thermodynamic energy to make another dishwasher than the extra water and heat that a Old Kitchenaid uses compared to this new one.This is NUTS I will not be buying one that is for sure.
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Post# 545639 , Reply# 40   9/24/2011 at 19:49 (4,738 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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me i have a knmore elite dishwasher that my mom and me bought in 2005 it is now 6 years old and it it still working fine and the best way to keep these dishwasher going is 1 not to use heat dry and not use the sanitize rinse and the only cycle i use on mine are smart wash option turbozone and high temp option i only use the sanitize rinse unless i really needed it and will always use the air dry as i will never use the heat dry option and i also know for a fact that when this dishwasher breaks in my case i will be buying the same model even if they made some changes and thats all i have to say.
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Post# 545643 , Reply# 41   9/24/2011 at 20:52 (4,738 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 545655 , Reply# 42   9/24/2011 at 23:07 (4,738 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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I"m gonna hold out as long as I can to not have a dishwasher with a filter. If I have to get one like that some day, I might as well just go back to washing dishes totally by hand. As many know, I don't believe in prerinsing at all and I at best scrape the largest pieces off. Sometimes there'd be a bit of debris even at the bottom of the GE. With the Kenmore TT, I scrape just about as well, maybe a bit more. But I've also beeen known to put a saucepan that had been used to cook rice in it, and some had gotten well cooked on the bottom of the pan, right in the dishwasher. I can hear the grinder grinding up that rice and it goes through a filter purge 4 to 6 times during the cycle. But, it came clean with Cascade Complete. This post was last edited 09/25/2011 at 01:01 |
Post# 545658 , Reply# 43   9/24/2011 at 23:50 (4,738 days old) by A440 ()   |   | |
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Good one Barry! |
Post# 545886 , Reply# 44   9/26/2011 at 09:31 (4,736 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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Post# 545905 , Reply# 46   9/26/2011 at 11:21 (4,736 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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The problem with the Whirlpool is that it appears this new model does NOT self clean the filter. It's up to the user. I personally don't like the idea--I like the idea of the filter being as clean as possible by the final rinse. Plus, I can see many users never bothering to clean out the filter. Sort of like how many people never cleaned their washer's user-cleaned lint filter, resulting in a lint filter that needs a crowbar to pry it out.
The length of cycles on this Whirlpool seems insane. Especially for those who do big cooking sprees that last all day and keep generating mountains of dishes. |
Post# 545906 , Reply# 47   9/26/2011 at 11:25 (4,736 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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I don't follow current dishwasher news that closely. But it seems to me that Whirlpool had been the #1 recommendation by many for decent US made dishwashers. Now, with this new Whirlpool design, it seems likely that this recommendation will go down the drain. Is there anything on the market that is US company/US made that's decent? Or are dishwashers going to be something one must buy from an a foreign company--at least if one wants something decent? |
Post# 545913 , Reply# 49   9/26/2011 at 12:22 (4,736 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Here's a link to that non-tall tub GE dishwasher. I was shocked by the noise it seems to make, 61dBA!!! My 15 year old AEG dishwasher makes only 45dBA. Every 3dBA more makes a dishwasher twice as noisy. Go figure!!
CLICK HERE TO GO TO foraloysius's LINK |
Post# 545914 , Reply# 50   9/26/2011 at 12:28 (4,736 days old) by Hoover1100 (UK)   |   | |
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I didn't realise some U.S. models have non-self cleaning filters, I can imagine that would be a bit of a pain! I'll stick with my Bosch, only had it 4 months but I couldn't be happier! Matt |
Post# 545920 , Reply# 51   9/26/2011 at 13:21 (4,736 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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Post# 545924 , Reply# 52   9/26/2011 at 13:32 (4,736 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room)   |   | |
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I'm not particularly bothered by dishwasher noise. It's a small price to pay for NOT having to wash dishes. Although I can understand those who want it dead quiet. If the kitchen is used as more than a kitchen--which is the case in many homes--noise might a real issue. For me, kitchens are basically mainly used for cooking and nothing else.
The noise argument is something heavily marketed at my nearest Home Depot. I don't know if it's store policy, or just the woman I see working there most times when I wander through. But in any case, if I wander through and look at something, she'll come and we'll talk. And her big argument for buying the model "over there" that's 2, 3 times the cost is how much quieter it is. My attitude is I really don't care about noise, and if I were to buy a 2, 3 times more expensive model it had better be 2, 3 times better as an appliance. Often, I fear, the only thing that goes up is the price and frill features.
I'm not alone in my views. The first time I had this noise talk at Home Depot I was tentatively shopping for my-then roommate, who's dishwasher was acting up, and might or might not be replaced. I heard the noise argument then. When I reported it later to my roommate, I heard something along the lines of: "I'll go with the noisy model, save money, and just turn up the volume on the TV!" |
Post# 545938 , Reply# 54   9/26/2011 at 16:18 (4,736 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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The level of noise is not the only factor that counts. The frequency is also important. Comparing a human conversation to a dishwasher is comparing apples to pears.
Believe me, 61dBA for an appliance is very loud! I was in a cabin on Vancouver Island for a few days. I used a BOL Frigidaire dishwasher that was already very loud. BOL Frigidaires are rated 56dBA. The GE is almost four times as noisy!! |
Post# 545939 , Reply# 55   9/26/2011 at 16:19 (4,736 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)   |   | |
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Perhaps its shocking, but mine manages to clean everything, quietly! Just saying... |
Post# 545971 , Reply# 56   9/26/2011 at 19:50 (4,736 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)   |   | |
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My Current tall tub WP (from 2005) when ran on Pots/Pans/Hightemp wash/ No heated dry runs for about 100 mins. That's the cycle I usually use. Sometimes normal/high temp/no dry (which is about 85 min's)
I wonder how well the "One Hour Wash" works and if it uses more water? I notice the time goes UP I'm sure if you choose high temp or sani rinse That GE reminds me of a 90s dishwasher and those were all loud but never bothered me at all. I like the looks of it. GRR, but I've gotten used to the Tall Tub and having more room. |
Post# 546020 , Reply# 57   9/27/2011 at 05:51 (4,735 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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