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Post# 546619   9/30/2011 at 12:37 (4,446 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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I have begun to notice a build up of something on the interior of the machine. A cloudy looking substance that does not wash away. I suspect that it may be salt buildup from the softening system but cannot be sure.
Have any of you Miele Dishwasher owner's noticed the same thing? Any suggestions for cleaning that wont harm my machine? Malcolm |
Post# 546630 , Reply# 1   9/30/2011 at 13:02 (4,446 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)   |   | |
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Post# 546633 , Reply# 2   9/30/2011 at 13:08 (4,446 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)   |   | |
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That's why we still have a stash of DW detergent with STTP. If we notice streaks on the inside of our DW, we just run the next load with a STTP flavored DW detergent. Streaks gone. Usually we only use the stuff with STTP for really dirty dishes, about once per week. We use Finish Quantum. |
Post# 546641 , Reply# 3   9/30/2011 at 13:51 (4,446 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 546690 , Reply# 4   9/30/2011 at 19:57 (4,446 days old) by washmeup (scottsdale)   |   | |
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I have a Miele and have not had any issues with build up? I am using there own tablets (Miele) that I purchased off of Amazon. They work great! Since they have changed Cascade I know they have had a lot of complaints about white build up on glass when run through dishwashers. Too bad as Cascade used to be such a awesome brand.
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Post# 546693 , Reply# 5   9/30/2011 at 20:11 (4,446 days old) by zipdang (Portland, OR)   |   | |
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Have not had any issues with cloudiness or residue. Usually I use Ecover tablets. Water hardness here is only 1/2 - 1 grain which precludes the need for the salt softening system. That said, I was under the impression that the salt doesn't actually enter the washing chamber of the machine, but instead is used as part of an ion exchange something-or-other for the water that does enter the washing chamber. The saline portion is flushed down the drain. If that is in fact how it works, then it's probably not residue from the water softening system.
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Post# 546738 , Reply# 6   10/1/2011 at 08:09 (4,445 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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I ran a wash last night with a Finish tablet. No discernible difference in the cloudiness on tub. I will continue to use the tabs this week and see if it slowly clears up. Otherwise, I will need to seek another solution.
The cloudiness appears mostly on the inside of the door and lower tub area around the water softener system. That is what made me think it might be buildup from salt. Wondering if there is a stainless steel conditioner that can be used to clean it that wont harm any of the non-stainless parts of the machine. Malcolm |
Post# 546743 , Reply# 7   10/1/2011 at 08:41 (4,445 days old) by joe_in_philly ![]() |
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As some have suggested, perhaps it is due the the reformulation of deshwasher detergents. Results will vary by water hardness, but if your machine has a properly functioning water softener, then I wouldn't think the buildup is from hard water minerals.
When I want to gently scour without scratching, I use Bon Ami cleaning powder. CLICK HERE TO GO TO joe_in_philly's LINK |
Post# 546754 , Reply# 9   10/1/2011 at 10:05 (4,445 days old) by petek ![]() |
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Post# 546791 , Reply# 11   10/1/2011 at 14:16 (4,445 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 546792 , Reply# 12   10/1/2011 at 14:36 (4,445 days old) by supertronic ()   |   | |
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Malcom read your manual am sure you can adjust it manually as well. the latest miele models have dropped this feature. |
Post# 546811 , Reply# 13   10/1/2011 at 18:27 (4,445 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)   |   | |
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I thought it was just me but I am experiencing a blue-ish effect going on with the stainless steel inner door and tank. I did make the mistake of using the new Finish dishwasher cleaner and it turned everything blue...plastics, racks, tank, door..in plastics I mean the detergent dispenser cover, salt dispenser cover and rinse aid cover, rollers, mid wash arm and the handle area for the screens, water intake and airflow covers and top airflow intake for the drying system. It took about 3 months to get the blue tint off the plastics but it stays on the tank and door. I have been using Finish Quantum, Finish powder, Cascade powder w/phosphates, Stop and Shop powder and Miele Tabs..still blue haze to tank and door....
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Post# 546819 , Reply# 14   10/1/2011 at 20:06 (4,445 days old) by henry200 ()   |   | |
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I had a bottle of Jet Dry tip over and leak inside the cupboard once, leaving a blue stain that I never was able to fully remove. |
Post# 547321 , Reply# 15   10/3/2011 at 21:16 (4,443 days old) by surgilator1 (Atlanta, Georgia)   |   | |
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this months consumer reports addresses this issue. its the newly formulated detergents. i found white stuff on my dispensers and door |
Post# 547560 , Reply# 17   10/5/2011 at 05:38 (4,441 days old) by MikeKLondon ()   |   | |
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Post# 547561 , Reply# 18   10/5/2011 at 05:43 (4,441 days old) by MikeKLondon ()   |   | |
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Post# 549486 , Reply# 19   10/15/2011 at 09:14 (4,431 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)   |   | |
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Malcolm - Any updates on your problem? |
Post# 549496 , Reply# 20   10/15/2011 at 09:38 (4,431 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)   |   | |
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Post# 549504 , Reply# 21   10/15/2011 at 09:52 (4,431 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 549929 , Reply# 22   10/17/2011 at 05:30 (4,429 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)   |   | |
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I use quantum tabs, finish powerball and even the old ElectraSol tabs with phosphate all the time but don't bother to change the detergent setting. don't see much difference in cleaning performance with the tab setting, but I have an older LaPerla
Is this haze something that can be wiped off with your hand? |
Post# 549931 , Reply# 23   10/17/2011 at 06:07 (4,429 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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No, the haze cannot be wiped off by hand. Whatever it is, it is in the Stainless Steel finish. If you wet the surface, the haze vanishes. But once it dries, the haze is right back where it was.
Haven't had the chance to pick up some Lemi-Shine. Meant to do that this weekend, but it wasn't on the grocery list and I forgot it. Malcolm |
Post# 549932 , Reply# 24   10/17/2011 at 06:22 (4,429 days old) by ozzie908 ![]() |
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Post# 549976 , Reply# 25   10/17/2011 at 11:09 (4,429 days old) by rayjay ![]() |
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Malcolm, You may also want to try Liquid Bar Keepers Friend. I have a Franke double sink. This is what they recommend to keep shiny. Ray |
Post# 549991 , Reply# 26   10/17/2011 at 12:28 (4,429 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)   |   | |
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Does you model have the water softener? If so when was the last time it performed the regeneration step? |
Post# 550002 , Reply# 27   10/17/2011 at 13:49 (4,429 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 550175 , Reply# 28   10/18/2011 at 09:23 (4,428 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)   |   | |
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Malcolm. I have a Bosch with SS interior. I use Finish powerball tabs. Have never noticed a white haze. However, once a quarter I descale my machine with 1/3 cup citric acid powder and a hot wash. I think this is similar to using vinegar without the odor. ;) My machine is ten years old and the interior sparkles like new. |
Post# 550188 , Reply# 29   10/18/2011 at 11:37 (4,428 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)   |   | |
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If you are pre rinsing your dishes, you need to stop. The chemicals in dishwasher detergents need protean to work properly.If they don't get it, they try to eat away at plastic and rubber parts leaving a residue film on dishes and glassware more noticeable on the latter.I found Cascade to be the worst dishwasher detergent regarding film residue on dishes and glasses.
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Post# 550253 , Reply# 30   10/18/2011 at 16:52 (4,428 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 554480 , Reply# 31   11/6/2011 at 09:21 (4,409 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Well, after a few weeks of running the Finish tabs, I gave up on them resolving the haze on my machine. Picked up some LemiShine at the market yesterday and did a maintenance wash last night as instructed on the package. That did the trick. Haze was virtually undetectable. Expect it to be completely gone over the next few washes.
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Post# 554763 , Reply# 33   11/7/2011 at 09:45 (4,408 days old) by appnut ![]() |
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Post# 554777 , Reply# 34   11/7/2011 at 10:58 (4,408 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN)   |   | |
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Lemi-shine is pretty much concentrated citric acid. The old "Tang" trick to clean your dishwasher also relies on the citric acid in it to do the work. We have rock-hard water here in TN and Lemi-shine always gets all the filmy buildup off the DW itself and the glasses / SS flatware if it has managed to get on them.
Now, that being said, if you plan on using Lemi-shine with every load you need to be EXTRA careful to never, *ever* put anything with a porcelain finish in with the LS, or it'll be ruined. I found that out the hard way when a little LS (along with a regular DW tab) turned the outside of our lovely & shiny blue Le Creuset oval roaster completely flat matte. Oddly, the inside was fine but the outside had all the shine/polish etched away. It still works but I've yet to live that down. And yes, the LS package warns against this on the label in small print, so this was totally user error. |
Post# 554786 , Reply# 36   11/7/2011 at 12:20 (4,408 days old) by appnut ![]() |
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Post# 558377 , Reply# 37   11/21/2011 at 18:37 (4,394 days old) by gump ()   |   | |
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I too have a Miele (a Diamante), and I too had a whitish 'haze' build-up. However, a quick wipe with CLR cleared it up immediately. Thus, I think I had a lime or calcium problem. |
Post# 558404 , Reply# 38   11/21/2011 at 20:39 (4,394 days old) by Launderess ![]() |
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