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Thread Number: 36742
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Post# 546648 9/30/2011 at 14:52 (4,585 days old) by toggleswitch  (New York City, NY) |
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Post# 546649 , Reply# 1 9/30/2011 at 14:53 (4,585 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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REALLY? | ||
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Post# 546650 , Reply# 2 9/30/2011 at 14:53 (4,585 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Post# 546651 , Reply# 3 9/30/2011 at 14:55 (4,585 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Post# 546652 , Reply# 4 9/30/2011 at 15:00 (4,585 days old) by joe_in_philly (Philadelphia, PA, USA) |
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I thought that someone posted about this so I didn't, but perhaps I was wrong.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO joe_in_philly's LINK | ||
| Post# 546666 , Reply# 5 9/30/2011 at 16:19 (4,585 days old) by AutowasherFreak () | ||
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I wonder how long they will last? | ||
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Post# 546669 , Reply# 6 9/30/2011 at 16:28 (4,585 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula) |
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If they were built like the first machines LG sold here in Brazil, they'd last FOREVER! If like the machines recently launched.... poor laundromat owner... | ||
| Post# 546698 , Reply# 7 9/30/2011 at 20:32 (4,585 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
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| Post# 546727 , Reply# 8 10/1/2011 at 05:17 (4,584 days old) by alr2903 (TN) | ||
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Toggles, is that a card system or a slot for money? It does look clean and neat. alr | ||
| Post# 546741 , Reply# 9 10/1/2011 at 08:13 (4,584 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Post# 546746 , Reply# 10 10/1/2011 at 09:00 (4,584 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Malcolm, if that's the case, the owner could name it the vey's mir (woe is me) laundry. Toggle, are coin op laundry operators required by any kind of regulation to provide a minimum hot water temperature to the machines when they are set for a hot fill? | ||
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Post# 546749 , Reply# 11 10/1/2011 at 09:14 (4,584 days old) by rapunzel (Sydney) |
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Hell on earth! Yep! Looking at it I am experiencing aesthetic overload. It's too stylish for me. I'd never be able to go in there wearing my pink dressing gown and fluffy rabbit slippers at 2 am in the morning. No way! | ||
| Post# 546753 , Reply# 12 10/1/2011 at 10:02 (4,584 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
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too stylish? | ||
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Post# 546787 , Reply# 15 10/1/2011 at 13:45 (4,584 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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24-Hour Laundromats
Are common enough here in NYC indeed there are several in Manhattan including two in our area and one somewhere in Harlem.
Most laundromats are open only from say 7AM to 9PM M-F and shorter hours on the weekends. Well those hours may suit someone who is home all day but others have things to do. Most set their last wash times for around 1-1/2 to two hours before closing so the last in will most certainly be out by closing. Both of the 24/7 laundromats in our area use card systems rather than coins. One pays at a central (and very heavy/bolted) "ATM" with one's debit or credit card to put money onto a card. This card in turn is used to pay for washing machines and dryers. One can either refill said cards or purchase another. Self serve laundromats of any kind are becoming a dying breed in many parts of NYC for several reasons. First of course is the high cost of real estate and operating costs versus what one can make back in revenue. The other is most persons often prefer "wash and fold" service. However this causes a problem for a laundromat. If customers take up too many washers/dryers that means there are that many less for doing fluff and fold. Here in NY laundromat owners pay for water twice, once as fresh water then again for sewage, so there is another cost. Considering NY's high rates for electric and gas you kind of get the picture. Most every laundromat one has seen is either fully staffed by "immigrants" and if not owned by them and the family works it's last daily breath to make a go of things. When Maytag launched their 'Neptune' line of washers and dryers they also franchised out coin-op laundries with all their equipment. There was one in East Harlem but do not know if it is still here and or has the original equipment. More and more apartment, condo and co-op dwellers are insisting on their own laundry appliance hook-ups, and developers are listening. It is really the older housing stock (of which NYC has much of) there washers in particular pose problems as the plumbing wasn't designed to handle such things. Even in fancy older co-op buildings there can be wars about installing machines. Many buildings of all manner and sort have laundry rooms and would prefer persons use those (and we all know why), but some people just have a "thing" about using any public laundry equipment and or having to leave the comfort of their own home. | ||
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Post# 546945 , Reply# 17 10/2/2011 at 18:27 (4,583 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Ever Since The Days Of Laundry Being "Sent Out"
Either to a launderess or later various sorts of commercial laundries the public has had a love hate realtionship with public "wash houses".
In the days when wash day involved major upheaval of the household and much effort on Her Indoors (and or any other female in the house)many were quite happy to get the thing out of their houses. Later as modern laundry equipment evolved but wasn't affordable or accessible by the general population at large, many were happy for laundromats and or still used laundry services. However as the nature of how germs and disease were spread more housewives and others became concerned about the promiscuous mixing of all manner and sort of laundry at public services. For instance many laundresses and or such services would either refuse to take washing from a home where an infectious disease (scarlett fever, diptheria, flue, etc) was or recently present. OTHO some would and not tell their other customers or the household itself would not disclose the information for fear of their order being turned down. If one examines early advertisments for laundry equipment they make much use of two claims; one they would dispense with the need to send wash out and thus preserve the health of Madame's household. The other was saving either Madame or whomever was going to do the wash (maid or laundress) undue effort or strain. Unless one has inexpensive water, fuel and real estate costs running a laundromat can be a money draining business. All that equipment must be paid for even if it's sitting idle. OTOH one can only charge rates that customers are willing to pay. | ||
| Post# 547428 , Reply# 18 10/4/2011 at 13:05 (4,581 days old) by glenfieldmathk1 (Glenfield-Leicester-UK) | ||
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Don't look that good to me, if you ask me plastic paddles isn't very good for a professional washing machines, a heavy used machine, that will probably end up washing a lot of coins that people forget to take out there clothes, I don't see them lasting, compared to the other laundrette machines, here in uk to be honest! | ||
| Post# 547432 , Reply# 19 10/4/2011 at 13:44 (4,581 days old) by aeg03 (London, UK) | ||
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I like the look of these machines. I will def use when I am in New York next time :-). | ||
| Post# 547642 , Reply# 21 10/5/2011 at 18:17 (4,580 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
laundromat washers | ||
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Post# 547664 , Reply# 22 10/5/2011 at 21:17 (4,580 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Do Not Think There Is A Public Laundromat In NYC
That mainly uses or even has top loading washing machines anymore. For the most part most or all have front loading washers and for good reasons.
Commercial laundries pay for water used and often sewage as well, so there is an incentive to save on those costs. Here in NYC for instance when there is a water shortage the city can order all commercial establishments to reduce their water usage, and that includes laundromats. If an inspector visited a laundry and found water above a certain level in any washer the owner is liable for fines. Front loading washers hold more than top, so even the lowest rated load will probably be equal or slighly more in the former verus the latter. Because they use less water that translates into less hot water as well for front loaders. Another area of savings. Finally have heard from laundromat owners that in terms of durability, service and so forth front loading washers are far better than top loaders. One has only to look at commercial laundries where H-Axis washers have long dominated on both sides of the pond. Some laundries may have the one off top loader for *special* items, but by and large all washing is done by front loaders or methods that produce similar results such a tunnel washers. | ||
| Post# 547736 , Reply# 23 10/6/2011 at 08:42 (4,579 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Learning Experience | ||
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Post# 549191 , Reply# 24 10/13/2011 at 22:17 (4,572 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Quote: Here in NY laundromat owners pay for water twice, once as fresh water then again for sewage, so there is another cost.
Really? And how is the amount of water pushed into the sewers measured? By what method is water double-billed? Who bills for this? Quote: Here in NYC for instance when there is a water shortage the city can order all commercial establishments to reduce their water usage, and that includes laundromats. If an inspector visited a laundry and found water above a certain level in any washer the owner is liable for fines. Really? What would that level be? What would it be in a front-loader? in a top-loader? Where can I see these regulations in print? The water is metered and therefore paid-for. It makes no sense to penalize a laundromat for water usage when such utility is vital to their business. New York city for decades did not meter water in that the sentiment was that with so many people living in such a small amount of space/land, the City wanted all to be clean and not stingy with the use of water. It goes against logic and common sense that today's mania with saving water and resources has swung to the point (at least in NYC) that doing laundry in a front-loader (i.e. efficiently) would be further scrutinized. Please provide a link to written regulations and/or disclose your source. | ||
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Post# 549193 , Reply# 25 10/13/2011 at 22:25 (4,572 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Local article regarding laundromat.
BTW I am not aware of any minimum water temperature limits for laundromats in NYC CLICK HERE TO GO TO Toggleswitch's LINK | ||
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Post# 549194 , Reply# 26 10/13/2011 at 22:31 (4,572 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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| Post# 549196 , Reply# 27 10/13/2011 at 23:20 (4,572 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
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At both my laundries, I pay both water and sewer. In one store, water is billed at $2.25 per 1000 gal, while sewer is billed at $8.25 per 1000 gal consumed ($308.48 and $1136.56 last month). At my other store, sewer is nearly twice what the water charge is ($442.49 water, $719.25 sewer last month). Sewer is based on water consumption, without any adjustment for water lost for evaporation (via dryers). Look closely at your next water bill to see if there is a separate line item for sewer.
Based on these rates, it is always in the best interest of the owner to have the most efficient equipment. That and/or the ability to charge a premium for machines that are less efficient. For example, my Maytag toploaders are priced the same as my Wascomat doubleloads, even tho' the Wascomats use less than half the water of the Maytags. And that will be changed soon so that the tops are a quarter or .50 more than the doubles. My Maytag "super cycle" (extra 3 min wash time and a 2nd rinse) are .50 extra. | ||
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Post# 549210 , Reply# 28 10/14/2011 at 00:50 (4,571 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Our water and sewer-use rates are calculated similarly, but the sewer rates have gone up. Residential rates (commercial rates are higher and tiered based on volume) used to be roughly half of billed water consumption for sewer charges but with aging infrastructure in older parts of the city in addition to a decade plus plan imposing surcharges to comply with sanitary & storm sewer separation regulations, the sewer rates have nearly matched the consumption charges.
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Post# 549214 , Reply# 29 10/14/2011 at 01:18 (4,571 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Still Do Not Understand
Why someone hasn't spotted the hole in the market for laundromat front loaders with better extraction!
I don't care what spec sheets say and or the "larger diameter ....." argument, am here to tell you items coming out of the local laundromats Speed Queen washers can still have water wrung from them. This does not happen with my Miele even when set to only 900rpm final spin. Suppose it wouldn't be so bad if those Bock extractors were still around, but here in NYC and perhaps elsewhere in the state do not think there is a place that still has them. Fully half the items bunged into those blast oven heat laundromat dryers could be simply taken home and hung up for a bit and would be totally dry if the final spin was better. | ||
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Post# 549240 , Reply# 30 10/14/2011 at 05:07 (4,571 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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We pay double on sewer rates | ||
| Post# 549250 , Reply# 31 10/14/2011 at 06:46 (4,571 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Bock Extractors | ||
| Post# 549263 , Reply# 35 10/14/2011 at 08:18 (4,571 days old) by alr2903 (TN) | ||
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I do see your point Tom, and they would no doubt complain about the extra step. Not having a f/l machine i had no idea that they had such a high speed spin between water changes. Thanks alr | ||
| Post# 549348 , Reply# 36 10/14/2011 at 14:35 (4,571 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
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Laundress It's a hole in how-to-run-your-business. First, 300+G washers cost 2-3x more to purchase than the 90G hardmounts, so most owners won't spring for them when they are already cash strapped going into business. Second, by increasing extraction, you loose time (read: money) from your dryers. Owners who do have hi-extract washers are still trying to figure out their pricing balance so as not to piss people off (charge more for washers? decrease temps in the dryers? 2 minutes/quarter? etc)...
Believe me, when the Neptune first came out, I asked all manufacturers when they would come out with a commercial grade 300G washers, at which they promptly laughed. Why would anyone want them? You will spend all your money and no one will use them. You won't make any money in your dryers. No, settle for the status quo...
The hot thing now is 200G hardmount washers. All manufactures have them now at a modest price point up from the 90G machines. All the manufacturers will also tell you that when you look at the amount of water extracted over time, the jump from a 90G machine to a 200G machine is remarkable, but a 200G compared to a 300G machine is very minor. I haven't seen nor looked for this data firsthand... Then they will tell you that the way a typical laundromat user uses coin-op machines, 300G machines rarely get balanced and achieve full speed. | ||
| Post# 549362 , Reply# 37 10/14/2011 at 15:57 (4,571 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea)) | ||
Both my home in Austin and my apartment in DFW charge double (but separately) for water and sewer. At the apt they assume everything coming out of the faucet goes down the drain. And except for what evaporates in winter, it does. What evaporates in summer goes down the AC drain.
At the house in Austin, they took your winter rate (no landscaping) and charged you that sewer rate in summer, taking yard watering off the sewer charge. Prior to the 80s when cities weren't desparate for revenue, nobody ever heard of a sewer charge. I do not know 'for certain' that the same charges apply to commercial customers. Residential water rates are 'tiered', more you use, higher the cost/unit. Commercial is flat rate. Tiering does not apply to residential sewer. | ||
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Post# 549367 , Reply# 38 10/14/2011 at 17:01 (4,571 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Am Told The IRS Works The Same In Regards To Laundries
At least in that for laundromats and commercial laundries they can look at water and sewage bills to determine how much business the place does. Apparently the IRS has records of models of washing machines (or can obtain them) and thus information on how much water is used per cycle.
While one can see how laundromats may come under the gun during an audit as they are most always cash businesses (and the IRS *hates* that sort of thing,*LOL*), large commercial laundries normally work on account so records are easily traced. | ||
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Post# 549384 , Reply# 39 10/14/2011 at 19:04 (4,571 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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arbilab your house in Austin That's exactly how my city (up I-35 from Austin) calculates their sewar usage and rates. Any lawn watering is not factored in because sewar usage is averaged over the 3 months of January, February, and either December or March. those months I watch my water consumptio like a hawk to keep it under 2000 gallons. The lower sewar usage also has a small impact n water consumtpion rates too. However, any time I go over 2000 gallons consumption in a billing cycle, a $2.00 sewar fee is tacked on, which burns me to no end. A couple of years ago when we wree under dry conditions in the winter, people were watering their yards. (I didn't because I didn't want to get zapped for ahigh sewar fee for 12 months. But the city decided to forgo consumption for that 3 month billing averqage priod and simply used what people had had on their record the year before. I hope that's what's done again during this drought. | ||
| Post# 549415 , Reply# 40 10/14/2011 at 22:05 (4,571 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea)) | ||
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Post# 549440 , Reply# 41 10/15/2011 at 00:57 (4,570 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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"winter set sewar rates" I did similar--flushed every other time. But I would also collect all the cold water that ran through the pipes into a 3+ gallon bucket everytime I took a showeer. That collected water was also used to flush the toilet. I ceased having to be a water miser once I got my Frigidaire front loader. My clothes are cleaner and they last a lot longer now too!! Living alone, I find ways to cut corners on expenses when I can. I know you can relate to that. | ||
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Post# 549449 , Reply# 42 10/15/2011 at 02:25 (4,570 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Smart Clean
Looks a great place, will be interesting to see how its gone and how it looks a year on!!
I wonder is the dryer yours to operate as a stacked set??, can you imagine all the Cross Over with everyone picking different dryers...Lol I think the day has come when people want / expect a premium service, fast efficient wash and max extract with quick dryers, all in surrounding that are clean and well maintained....but like Peter says, how do you make it pay!! well like anything else , you get what you pay for!! | ||
| Post# 549452 , Reply# 44 10/15/2011 at 02:39 (4,570 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea)) | ||
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What comes out of the washer could flush the toilet just fine. But in almost all cases it is prevented by code. So is using 'gray water' from laundry/sink/bath for landscaping.
Really, all household water besides toilet can be used twice. Doing so is almost always forbidden. They'd rather charge you double for sewage than let you actually save water. | ||
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Post# 549494 , Reply# 45 10/15/2011 at 09:37 (4,570 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Arthur I'm just guessing and extrapolating. Eveery time I turned on the shower, that was about 2 gallons that was collected, so that would be about 60 gallons a month alone. Add on to that factor each flush is about 4 gallons. And not always flushing. I'd say that it probably saved me between 200 and 300 gallons a month. I remember there were a couple of times over the yeaers that I got my winterr monthly usage down to about 1300 or 1400 gallons. That 200 to 300 gallon savings translated to between 2 and 3 loads in the Lady Shredmore I could run with the 'savings" and not be penalized. There would be a month (out of those 3) where I'd end up using over 2000 gallons and so I would have to restrict my usage for the other two months so that the average ended up being 2000 or less over the 3 months. There was one time I actually took 3 or 4 loads of towels to the laundromat to wash instead of doing them at home, because with the 2nd rinse alays used on towels, each load used 120 or so gallons. So those 3 or 4 loads would have cnsumed 360 to 480 gallons, which in the wscheme of 2000 gallons maximum, was quite a bit. And now with the drought as bad as it is here, I"m very aware of how much water I use that's not involved in watering the yard, which is mainly to keep moisture round my foundation more than anything--which has still probably ended up being cracked and will cost a fortune (which I don't have) to repair if I ever wanted to sell my house. | ||
| Post# 549503 , Reply# 46 10/15/2011 at 09:48 (4,570 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Post# 549751 , Reply# 47 10/16/2011 at 10:04 (4,569 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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Something that has not been mentioned about this high style place is that the folding tables don't have raised edges to prevent clothes from falling onto the floor. With their small size, that would be doubly important. | ||
| Post# 550167 , Reply# 48 10/18/2011 at 08:21 (4,567 days old) by kenmorepeter01 () | ||
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What's the street at LG Laundromat Hello. I'm deaf. What's the street at LG Laundromat in Manhattan? Peter (kenmorepeter01) ;-) | ||
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Post# 550219 , Reply# 49 10/18/2011 at 14:25 (4,567 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Hi Peter,
It is along Amsterdam Avenue near 140th Street. City College is across the street. Let me know if you want to meet there. I don't know sign-language, but if you can lip-read, perhaps we can have lunch in the city and make a day of it? Write me off-line! Then I have an excuse to look at the pricing for PeterH. Thanks! P.S. Let's invite Launderess and get a few pics of her for the site. (DUCKS AND RUNS). LOL | ||
| Post# 550220 , Reply# 50 10/18/2011 at 14:28 (4,567 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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Post# 550428 , Reply# 51 10/19/2011 at 11:57 (4,566 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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We get one bill here for Water & Sewer, both administered by the same city agency.
In as much as the charges are separately stated for both, water and sewer, I would be reluctant to call it a double-billing. Theoretically the water used by outdoor spigot(s) should not technically be charged-for in sewer charges. But like everything else in life, the cost to provide the service plus a markup to repay/reward investors (if private enterprise) divided by the number of users is what the charges are based upon. Stated another way, the fixed overhead costs (don't vary by water / sewer quantity usage) and the variable costs (those that do vary by water/sewer quantity usage have to be considered. How does the saying go? Water, like religion/spirituality is free. It's the piping (church/temple) you pay for. | ||
| Post# 550434 , Reply# 52 10/19/2011 at 12:16 (4,566 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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Our water / sewer is billed 1,000 gallons water in / 1,000 gallons sewage out. Except during high usage months when outdoor watering is done, they will take an average of Nov, Dec, Jan and only increase sewage out incrementally instead of across the board.
So your bill when water usage goes to the next tier will be something like 6,000 gallons water in / 2,500 gallons sewage out. They do, however, charge double for sewage. Water is $1.15 per 1,000 gallons. sewage is $2.78 per 1,000 gallons.
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| Post# 552130 , Reply# 53 10/26/2011 at 21:32 (4,559 days old) by kenmorepeter01 () | ||
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Direction from Subway Hello, how are you doing? From GW Bridge Bus Station to Subway: "A" from 175th to 145th--> tranfer "C"--> 135th OR From Penn Station (from NJ Transit) to Subway to 125th tranfer "C"--> to 135th Is that right? Peter (kenmorepeter01) ;-) | ||
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Post# 552252 , Reply# 54 10/27/2011 at 12:33 (4,558 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Post# 552253 , Reply# 55 10/27/2011 at 12:35 (4,558 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Post# 552254 , Reply# 56 10/27/2011 at 12:38 (4,558 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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If you prefer to take a NYC bus from your NJ Train, see this link.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO Toggleswitch's LINK | ||
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