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The last designs il post on here..i bet everyone is tired of them now. |
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Post# 554824   11/7/2011 at 15:49 (4,553 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)   |   | |
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this is most likly the last time i will post some of my appliance designs on here and as the thread title suggest i think everyone is almost fed up with them.
however having just completed this collection last night that i am really happy with i felt i had to post it. Any opinions and advise is appreciated, the more the better. anyway...here it is: The Winter Collection of Appliances by ADAMS: First the Range together then separately as you can see them better separate. |
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Post# 554825 , Reply# 1   11/7/2011 at 15:54 (4,553 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)   |   | |
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Post# 554835 , Reply# 2   11/7/2011 at 16:24 (4,553 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)   |   | |
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Post# 554836 , Reply# 3   11/7/2011 at 16:25 (4,553 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)   |   | |
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Post# 554837 , Reply# 4   11/7/2011 at 16:25 (4,553 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)   |   | |
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Post# 554898 , Reply# 5   11/7/2011 at 20:17 (4,553 days old) by cfz2882 (Belle Fourche,SD)   |   | |
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now that you came up with attractive exterior design,time to design the machinery underneath before going into production!:D Are they going to be properly U.K. made appliances? |
Post# 554912 , Reply# 6   11/7/2011 at 21:36 (4,553 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))   |   | |
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Post# 554978 , Reply# 8   11/8/2011 at 03:45 (4,553 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)   |   | |
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It can and will be done... The manuals that is..
Thdy will be Made either in Ireland or the UK As to their internals... Think... Bendix 7147A. Only better and they would have a lifespan of a miele machine If ariston hadnt already used it our slogan would be ... On and on and on... Check back later for manuals and any other info that is requested. |
Post# 555063 , Reply# 12   11/8/2011 at 11:44 (4,552 days old) by HotpointFan (United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Post# 555064 , Reply# 13   11/8/2011 at 11:46 (4,552 days old) by aquarius8000 ()   |   | |
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Nice designs Luke! how about a intergrated and compact family! |
Post# 555094 , Reply# 15   11/8/2011 at 13:40 (4,552 days old) by HotpointFan (United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Post# 555118 , Reply# 16   11/8/2011 at 15:50 (4,552 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)   |   | |
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I see your point an value your input... however i do wish you could have waited for the manual which i am currently writing.
you said you do techinical support for computer for a living which is more complex.... i know allot about computers ive completed two years of studying to be a computer technician, i am now currently studying computer science after which i will then attend an institute of technology to get my masters degree in it. I know who complex computers can be. next, about the fuctioning of a washing machine, you made so very valid points for me to consider which i will and implement into my next designs, i will however only post them on here if they are requested on this thread, i know all to well how mst people tend to wash everything on the one cycle... well how about a machine that will predetermine the correct wash with the correct settings based on the amount of clothing in the drum and the type of clothing it detects and if the user accepts he or she need only press the accept button on a relitavly large and easy to understand/read touchscreen. Jacob- thank you for your comments Dascot- in reply to your questions- - What's the panel in the bottom of all three machines that looks like a filter on the washer? Answer: the panel at the base of the three machines is indeed where the filter is located in the center, however upon lifting the plinth from the bottom up will expose, screws that will allow the entire front of the machine to be removed, as an aid to an engineer should the machine ever need a repair. - What is the difference between a pots cycle and a pans cycle on the dishwasher? Answer- this i had to think about and then i thought, ok so pots are bulky and food can really stick to them so the Pots program washes them in 60* water and utilises the spray arms to their best to wash the pots acuratly the pans program- pans are usualy slimy and grubby from oil and the food that may be cooked on it, so again by using hot water and utilising the spray arms and side sprays embedded in the walls of the dishwasher it will wash all dirt etc from the pans. - What is the difference with the timed cycles on the dryer, and why does only one have cooldown? It seems there's hot and cool selectors as buttons... Answer: i used timed instead of actual programs because it makes them more generic, however half of the dial is allocated to cottons, the other synthectics. i found with a dryer its easier just to select how long you want it to run for and not the other way around. i put seperate heat selecter buttons on the machine because allot of the time on dryers that just have the one button to select between hi and low once the text on the fascia people no longer knew wheter the machine was on high heat or low, so by having to buttons with text that wont fade they will always know the heat setting of the machine. stay tuned for instruction manuals for the machines... and possibly one more to add to the collection. |
Post# 555119 , Reply# 17   11/8/2011 at 15:52 (4,552 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)   |   | |
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Post# 555403 , Reply# 19   11/9/2011 at 13:52 (4,551 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)   |   | |
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Post# 555776 , Reply# 20   11/10/2011 at 20:01 (4,550 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))   |   | |
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It is well possible to determine load size during tumble, the same way(s) as balance is electronically detected in distribution and spin. There are short-range (1/3 revolution) variations in tach error and motor current (one drives the other). With no/light/balanced load the variations are negligible.
Preferable to use an intelligent system that looks beyond just 1/3 revolution and identifes patterns. Helps avoid annoying false positives. Not all designs are that elegant. There are also gyro accelerometers that cost like a dollar apiece. I don't know which designs use which solutions. |
Post# 556248 , Reply# 22   11/13/2011 at 07:20 (4,547 days old) by HotpointFan (United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Post# 556367 , Reply# 23   11/13/2011 at 17:11 (4,547 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)   |   | |
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Post# 556545 , Reply# 25   11/14/2011 at 15:55 (4,546 days old) by supermaticjames (Donegal, Ireland)   |   | |
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Bring back 80's electronics and timer controls! |
Post# 557710 , Reply# 27   11/18/2011 at 23:45 (4,542 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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Post# 557975 , Reply# 28   11/20/2011 at 04:51 (4,540 days old) by HotpointFan (United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Post# 557992 , Reply# 29   11/20/2011 at 08:12 (4,540 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)   |   | |
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Post# 557998 , Reply# 30   11/20/2011 at 08:33 (4,540 days old) by HotpointFan (United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Post# 563412 , Reply# 32   12/15/2011 at 13:32 (4,515 days old) by henrypeter21 ()   |   | |
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I hope something like this would be the end product. |
Post# 563499 , Reply# 34   12/16/2011 at 04:05 (4,514 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)   |   | |
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Post# 563663 , Reply# 36   12/17/2011 at 03:39 (4,514 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy)   |   | |
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Hi Qualin... that machine in the picture would be a total novelty to me but I guess I would figure out how to use it. It's a TL though, not a FL as you suggested... isn't it?
I can see there are quite a few dials though and I don't quite appreciate the fact that the 'options' on this machine are managed in such a way too... so, my understanding is that if you select one option you're unable to select another one at the same time. Say, for example, you wanted the second rinse as well as an extended spin. I must admit that my machine would take some figuring out before one can use it properly. As a matter of fact, I had a few lodgers in the past running into the wrong settings while doing their laundry and, on different occasions, I had to tell them which were the most appropriate cycles to use for whatever load of clothes they had. You can see the programme selector below, which is the most misleading, there are two more dials, one for temperature and one for spin speed, but these are quite self explanatory. The options are represented by 5 buttons and they can all be combined giving you alternative wash cycles, however... without reading the manual... or rather... without having used the machine for years, you wouldn't know what some of these combinations actually do as they're not even mentioned in the booklet. The most misleading programme is the one which says 'Colour Mix', my lodgers thought this cycle would have been ideal for their everyday bright/dark colour garments... but there's the rub! This programme on most European machines is known as 'AA40' (even on the updated version of this very machine) which consists of an extended wash phase with higher water level and it's supposed to deliver the same results of a wash cycle carried out at a temperature of 60 degrees, whilst maintaining energy consumption low. As it's a 'Warm' rather than 'Hot' wash cycle, the user can wash different colours together without having them run into each other... hence the wording 'Colour Mix'. Still, such a long programme is mere frustration for some1 who wants to wash their everyday darks... and it's not meant for dark colour-run items as one could easily be led into believing :-P B.t.w. congratulations to you all for your gorgeous designs! |
Post# 563672 , Reply# 37   12/17/2011 at 07:30 (4,513 days old) by HotpointFan (United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Post# 563843 , Reply# 41   12/18/2011 at 02:56 (4,513 days old) by jetsystem1200 ()   |   | |
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Qualin, The Night Wash option is a rinse hold, the Outdoor Sports option is a 30 minute soak, and the Super Rinse button adds more water in the rinses plus an extra rinse. |
Post# 563844 , Reply# 42   12/18/2011 at 03:37 (4,513 days old) by Haxisfan (Europe - UK / Italy)   |   | |
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Hi Qualin, the 'AA40' summarizes the energy label this type of wash falls into, therefore 'A' for the energy consumption and 'A' for wash result. There should be a third letter to indicate the efficiency of the spin cycle, as conventionally seen on the Euro Energy Consumption Labelling Scheme for washing machines but this information is omitted as it could not possibly be referred with by another 'A'... if anything, it would be 'B' or even 'C'. The reason being that this programme must cater for mixed fabrics and it's not allowed to carry out a spin cycle at full speed and length.
I The parameters for this cycle (length, water level, spin speed, etc) may vary from washer to washer, but its main purpose is to reduce the electricity consumption (hence lowish temperature) and elongate the wash time to extensively. Hi Jetsystem1200, it's perfectly normal for a washer not being able to work out the time remaining accurately when an out of balance situation occurs. That control panel of yours is rather intuitive as Qualin suggested and looks quite futuristic too ;-) Still, as you said, I wouldn't be too keen on the 'Prewash' compromise scenario you described... it would have been much better if it could be selected on its own and added to whatever other option you might have selected. I guess the idea is that you shouldn't be needing a prewash on a quick cycle, although I share your thoughts on this one, e.g. I often prewash my darks on short cycles. Laterz :-) |
Post# 563850 , Reply# 43   12/18/2011 at 05:28 (4,512 days old) by HotpointFan (United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Post# 563852 , Reply# 44   12/18/2011 at 05:47 (4,512 days old) by HotpointFan (United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Post# 563854 , Reply# 45   12/18/2011 at 05:57 (4,512 days old) by ctyankee ()   |   | |
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Anyone wishing to design and then build a new washing machine should virtually copy/clone the Miele W1065 with it's mechanical controls. |
Post# 563855 , Reply# 46   12/18/2011 at 06:09 (4,512 days old) by HotpointFan (United Kingdom)   |   | |
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There's virtually no point! On mechanical style washing machines the timers were one of the killers! Also little kids would fiddle and accidentally advance the cycle, and also people like to know how long is left of a wash cycle and a little screen is the best! OK not all modern UK machines have screens, but just about any over the £280 mark do. Not saying Miele's are bad in any way...:P
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Post# 563916 , Reply# 48   12/18/2011 at 15:15 (4,512 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 564029 , Reply# 50   12/19/2011 at 03:56 (4,511 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Great designs there boys , keep thinking out all of the options, I love the Concept Washer Spinner, Washer & Tumble Dryer, H-Ax meets V-Drum......
Mechanical V Electronic, like anything if its a goog timer its great it its a good PCB its great...nowthen, mechanical timers can be good for user selection, Time Temp Aditation & Spin Speed....BUT what about the variables Over Sudsing Out Of Balance Spin Not Enough Water on Absorbent Loads Clothes not clean on selected wash time Extra Rinse Required Higher temp than fabric can take Higher Spin than fabric can take, ie woollens......etc etc Washer goes faulty, ie motor burn out This is where the beauty of the variables built into the computer pcb board come into play, and the washer is "Totally Automatic^, again a board is only as good as whats programmed, but you dotta admit todays washers offer do more than selecting 1 - 7 or C - J.... Bring back the ITCL codes, 9 fixed programmes that you just select and go.... I vote 1, 2, 5 & 7......Whats your vote |
Post# 564032 , Reply# 51   12/19/2011 at 04:49 (4,511 days old) by HotpointFan (United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Post# 564041 , Reply# 52   12/19/2011 at 06:11 (4,511 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)   |   | |
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Mechanical timers can last--decades-Circuit boards do not last as long.And in my area----Lightening KILLS them. |
Post# 564212 , Reply# 56   12/20/2011 at 03:26 (4,511 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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All machine washable clothing usually have a tag attached to them which states the correct procedure for laundering etc....many of these are identified and certificated by governing bodies conforming to ITLC (Qualin, my fingers typed the above too quickly..lol) International Textile Laundry Codes, we also use a local HLCC (Home Laundry Consultative Council) coding as well....
So all we should really be doing is checking all those tags, putting them together and selecting the corresponding programme on the washing machine control panel. Now those codes on the washer panel fascia you refer to as "Usability Nightmare", what part of USABILITY dont you understand about that?? You simply take all you white clothing and select the programme that says WHITE COTTONS...on the Servis machines which invented the first worlds computerised machines back in 1976, thats all you needed to do, a two digit display showed you what programme you had selected, the machine was programmed for the correct Time Temp Agitation & Spin.. Thats why I stated about codes 1, 2, 5, & 7 as the codes I always used 1 - Whites Cottons 95d 2, Coloured Cottons 60d 5 - Coloured Cottons 40d 7 - Woollens 40d Is that not simpler for most people who do laundry rather than guessing what you would have to do with your panel!!! Todays machines have gotten more complicated, most people when asked would want to go back to the above (I take us here out of that equation before breakfast is thrown as fingers start typing furiously)... CLICK HERE TO GO TO chestermikeuk's LINK |
Post# 564286 , Reply# 59   12/20/2011 at 12:29 (4,510 days old) by ariston4life ((Dublin) Ireland)   |   | |
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