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Gas Dryers vs Electric Dryers?
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Post# 559589   11/27/2011 at 01:38 (4,614 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

Hello everyone.

I'm considering buying a matching dryer to go with my Huebsch ZFN50R.

My choices are the Huebsch ZDE4BR or the Huebsch ZDG4BR, the only difference is that one is electric and one is gas. (The Speed Queen equivalents are ADE4BR and ADG4BR.)

The ZDE4BR has an electric 5350 watt heating element.
The ZDG4BR has a 22,500 BTU gas burner.

According to a Watts/BTU calculator I found, ... 22,500 BTU = 6594 watts..

So, my question is.. Which dryer is more energy efficient, better value, safer, better for clothes, etc?

My mother once had an older Frigidaire gas dryer from the early 50's.. she hated it because she said it made all the clothes smell like Natural Gas. Since Modern Dryers don't have a pilot light anymore, would that still be a problem if I left the clothes in the dryer overnight by accident?

Is there a danger of fire from lint build up inside the machine over time, even if the lint filter is cleaned out regularly? (As opposed to an electric model.)

There is one problem I face which may force my hand. The gas line is right above the dryer, but I need to hire a pipefitter to run an outlet from that pipe because there currently isn't any gas outlet for the dryer right now, there's only an electric plug. I've been told to expect to pay about $300 to get it done.

FYI, I only have two gas appliances right now, the furnace and the water heater, so I don't think adding a dryer would affect either one of these appliances.

So, Gas or electric? What are the pros and cons?


Post# 559601 , Reply# 1   11/27/2011 at 03:23 (4,614 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        
more energy efficient, better value, safer, better for clot

The gas dryer is more energy efficient than the electric resistive one, to my knowledge there are no heat pump dryers in the north American market.

Safer and better for the clothes would be the electric dryer. My father swears (he has a commercial laundry) that gas dryers will turn fine textile yellow because of the combustion fumes and higher heat. Plus most gas dryers aren't modulating but single stage on-off

Both gas and electric will dry at around the same speed because, even if the gas one is more powerful, the combustion gases will have all the water created by the methane combustion so the incoming air will be more humid than the electrically heated one.

Electricity in Canada comes mostly from hydroelectric and nuclear, both clean forms of production, coupled with the very cheap price you pay for it and the usually lower buying price for an electric dryer, I'd say to get an electric one

Post# 559618 , Reply# 2   11/27/2011 at 05:36 (4,614 days old) by thomasortega (El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora de Los Angeles de Porciúncula)        

Many people say that gas dryers are fasters.

Finally, i've found the first person who noticed the same factsI did years ago.

1) They dry faster, but the difference is insignificant.
2) Electric is cleaner. (if the electricity comes from clean sources) so, why leave a bigger footprint?
3) gas can turn some white clothes yellow. #fact!
4) Gas makes the softener or detergent or any other "good" scent simply dissapear. Clothes smell like... how can I say... uh... dried in a gas dryer.
5) Gas driers have a flame. They are very safe and if installed correctly they can be even safer, but no matter how well it's built, the chance of a fire is always a little bit higher than in an electric dryer.

For these and for other reasons, I'd go for electric.

Post# 559752 , Reply# 3   11/27/2011 at 15:53 (4,614 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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I've had both. Gas is much cheaper to run almost everywhere but yes it makes clothes smell burnt. It also has more to go wrong, valves, igniter, IR sensor. I prefer electric.

Post# 559765 , Reply# 4   11/27/2011 at 16:45 (4,614 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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I've never had a gas dryer ... or any gas appliances for that matter, although I've used granny's gas range (seems a lot of superfluous heat is emitted).

The appliance dealer where I worked back in the day did not sell or service any gas appliances.  He strongly disparaged gas dryers as being bad for clothes.

Post# 559778 , Reply# 5   11/27/2011 at 18:34 (4,614 days old) by DirectDriveDave ()        

Gas is the way to go, I have never had any type of natural gas scent on any of our fabrics and the scent from the fabric softener sheet is still on them by the time it has finished. From my experiences, they also cool down much better when the dryer enters the cool down period.

As long as you have everything cleaned, maintained, and installed properly, the risk of fires are minimal.

That being said, don't EVER let your dryer get this bad as ours was, shown below. This was very stupid on our part, but thankfully I got it all cleaned out and nothing bad ever happened.


Post# 559784 , Reply# 6   11/27/2011 at 19:14 (4,613 days old) by moparwash (Pittsburgh,PA )        
Side by Side comparision

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My 1978 Maytag gas dries faster than the Electric Kenmore Dryer. The clothes are softer and dont come out feeling burnt. I have not noticed clothes smelling like gas or turning yellow

Post# 559794 , Reply# 7   11/27/2011 at 21:28 (4,613 days old) by Maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)        
I've owned gas heated dryers

all my laundry life. Here in N.E. Ohio, they are vastly cheaper to run. The 50.00 or so extra to buy a gas dryer is quickly recouped in most places.

I have never personally experienced fabric yellowing from a gas heated dryer. I am not saying that it could not happen, but I am saying that it has not happened to me. However, my dryers have always been well maintained.

Also, a gas heated dryer can be as safe as an electrically heated dryer, it depends on ducting (solid metal,) and on emptying the lint filter regularly, and cleaning the ducting regularly.

I have been known to have my gas dryer, water heater, furnace, and now, gas stove running all at once, and no loss in performance in any of them.

From a real estate standpoint, the ability to have either type of dryer will be a big plus if you ever sell your house.

I have used electrically heated dryers, as recently as yesterday (November 26,) but I would not want to own one.


Post# 559820 , Reply# 8   11/27/2011 at 23:53 (4,613 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

We've had gas driers all my life, my folks got a Hamilton in'61 and it ran until it was replaced with a TOL Kenmore in '73 ( now in storage) that was replaced in '96 with another TOL Kenmore.


Not one issue, cheap to run, after all these years none of the whites are not white, there is no gas smell to the laundry, and there is simply no issue.  so, if gas is cheaper in your area and you can hook it up, there is no reason not to use gas for drying.


How close is the water heater and furnace to the dryer?  If it's near by the cost should be low.  Odds are a "T" could be installed in a drip leg of either appliance and a 1/2" line could be fed off it.  Cutting into a line above the dryer could get expensive if you hire it out.  I've run lots of gas line and am comfortable doing it, if you are not stick with the pros...

Post# 559825 , Reply# 9   11/28/2011 at 00:11 (4,613 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

The dryer is immediately to the left of the water heater. There are a variety of places a professional could take a T off the line, I'll leave it to the professionals though if I go that route.

Post# 559826 , Reply# 10   11/28/2011 at 00:36 (4,613 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Depends on your electric rates, I suppose. But around here gas dryers are much cheaper to run than electric ones. Our electric rates are tiered, and if I were to switch the gas dryer to an electric one, I'd be paying $.30/KWh for that.

From an overall energy standpoint, a gas dryer will always be more energy efficient, due to the energy losses involved in turning thermal energy into electricity, and also the losses involved in transmitting electric power over distances. If you are only considering the energy as it arrives at the dryer, though, both versions could be considered 100% efficient, since all the heat energy is used to dry the fabrics.

If your electricity is very cheap (less than $.10/KWh with no increase for more use), and you have no natural gas service, then an electric dryer might be cheaper to run than a propane powered one. But I think in most cases where there is gas service the gas dryer is cheaper to run.


I've never had a gas dryer yellow clothes. Maybe it depends on the purity of the gas and the efficiency of the dryer's burner. In terms of wear, I think that depends more on the dryer's design than the fuel source. I recall that WCI/Frigidaire non-sensor gas dryers were notorious for getting way too hot if the "hot" setting was selected. When I had one, I always selected "warm" and that was hot enough. My Maytag Neptune 7500 gas dryer is very gentle on fabrics, and its sensor errs on the side of leaving more moisture on the fabrics than I'd expect from the setting (Very dry, more dry, normal, less dry, damp dry). I usually set it to "more dry" for most loads, because the normal setting is a bit too damp.


Modern gas dryers appear to be quite safe, but they are slightly more dangerous than electric dryers in that the exhaust MUST be vented outdoors, due to the combustion products that can be harmful (like carbon monoxide) if the burner isn't 100% efficient. Electric dryers theoretically can be vented indoors but the increased humidity and lint might be a problem so I figure this is a non issue - all vented dryers should be vented outdoors. There may be slightly more chance of lint igniting with a gas dryer, but that wouldn't happen if the dryer ducting were maintained properly, and that goes for electric dryers as well. I figure there are enough safety devices on a modern gas dryer to consider them safe. However as a rule I do not run the gas dryer when I'm not in the house or on the property.

Overall, I prefer the gas dryer. It adds only a nominal amount to the monthly gas bill and works well.

Post# 559830 , Reply# 11   11/28/2011 at 01:14 (4,613 days old) by A440 ()        

Clothes come out burnt?
Clothes come out Yellow?
I have never had this experience with a Gas Dryer,
and I don't think I ever will.
I have had gas dryers for most of my life and have never had any of these issues.
I will say however that I have had issues with electric dryers in the past.
Most of this thread concerning gas dryers almoset seem like Urban Legend instead of actual first hand experiences. If it is first hand experiences, you must have an issue with your gas dryer. NEVER HOOK A GAS DRYER TO A OIL TANK! GAS DRYERS SHOULD NEVER BURN OIL FUEL!

Post# 559859 , Reply# 12   11/28/2011 at 05:58 (4,613 days old) by retro-man (- boston,ma)        

I have had gas dryers both at home and at business for over 20 years. We wash white towels constantly at the business and none have ever gone yellow or had a gas smell to them. They are faster at drying and more efficient overall. Both gas dryers actually 3 now can dry faster than the washers can finish a load. This is with both top loader and front loaders. Yes I agree I think that a lot of myths are just that and urban legends. I have only had 1 problem with a gas dryer and that was when 1 was new and had a defective gas valve and that was it would not open. Never a leak or the smell of gas. If the piping is available I would go with gas and leave the electric for the washing machine.

Post# 559872 , Reply# 13   11/28/2011 at 07:18 (4,613 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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first and fore most.....I always prefer a gas dryer......savings over electric....

but heres an issue.....I have 2 Frigidaire dryers, same model, one gas, one electric.......a simple drying of sheets or blankets/ gas you can use Regular with high heat, no electric, this same load must be dried on Perm Press and the heat set to LOW, otherwise they will scorch and first I thought it was of the dryers design, the rear is connected to the drum and turns and is not stationary like for instance a Kenmore....but having machines with both sources of heat, I can the electric the heating coil is wrapped around the whole rear of the drum, and this back panel gets super hot, and the clothes don't slide against it, they stay in the same place tumbling the whole the gas version, the heat comes from a port behind this panel and is distributed in the rear area before coming into contact with the most likely get hot too, but not as if the gas burner was up against this back panel like a fry pan, I would probably see the same issue.....but its just a matter of adapting to each machine to make them work best

Post# 559875 , Reply# 14   11/28/2011 at 07:29 (4,613 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Electric dryers are definitely cleaner than gas ones.

Had gas as a kid growing up. The one hour of the clothes being immersed in the byproducts of combustion is not really enough to make a PRONOUNCED yellowing of the clothes.

If one has tremendous allergies and sensitivities then electric is the way to go.
Also good if you want to line-dry in summer and save the heat and moisture (exhaust into the house) in winter.

For a cheaper (most areas) and "greener" method GAS is the only option, really.

Personally I'd do a gas dryer (since a dryer is a "luxury" in terms of energy use), and cook electrically. At least with the dryer one is not breathing in the poisonous byproducts of combustion such as sulfuric oxides, nitrous oxides, soot (carbon) carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide.

Natural gas (methane) has a smell (on its own and through a clothes dryer) but nowhere as obnoxious as LP (bottled/propane) gas. I simply won't do a propane dryer. To me, it smells of marsh/swamp.

Post# 559930 , Reply# 15   11/28/2011 at 13:15 (4,613 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN)        

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I've had a gas dryer in the past, and currently have electric, and if I had the ability to choose - I'd pick gas again. Never had any problems with smells or yellowing (I would think that would be a case of bad design or poor venting), and everything came out perfect w/o being over-dried. Plus it was cheaper.

Post# 559950 , Reply# 16   11/28/2011 at 14:13 (4,613 days old) by MattL (Flushing, MI)        

Toggels and I differ on gas use.  I recall a discussion a while back about gas cooktops, he felt it caused yellowing of walls and ceilings. As a gas cooktop user for decades - with white wallpaper in the kitchen- I can categorically say in my area of the country gas burns very clean on modern well adjusted equipment.


Back to the main question, if gas is near by unless labor costs are sky high in your area, i would not believe it would cost $300 for a hook up.  Materials should be $25-40 depending on distance based on US costs.

Post# 559957 , Reply# 17   11/28/2011 at 14:24 (4,613 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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I didn't say the gas dryer (80s Kenmore) made clothes smell like gas. But burnt. More specifically, made the detergent scent agents smell burnt. EXTREMELY noticeable on sheets. What setting was used made no difference. Switching detergents made no difference (few choices, had to be HE).

The air ports were adjusted properly, blue flame. The gas pressure was correct, worked fine on the (new) WH and (old) stove. I throttled the dryer gas valve down aprx 1/4th. This reduced but did not eliminate the effect.

At the same time I had the Lady Kenmore electric I still have/use. It didn't have the 'burnt' problem at all. However, for both the cost and the speed, I continued to use the gas all 18yr in that house. So it's a close call but the smell is NOT an urban legend, not in my house it wasn't.

If I got another house that had a gas dryer already I would probably use it, just like I did in 1990.

Post# 559967 , Reply# 18   11/28/2011 at 15:20 (4,613 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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IF you shop around for a Sat/retired plumber, you may do better at price......

keep in mind most plumbers and electricians charge up to $200.00 an hour for labor alone.....if thats the case, 200.00 for labor, and another 25 to 40 for parts....your still not far off from 300.00....

I just added 5 stations for washers.......not including electrical or the drain....I used plastic pipe, and between the pipe, fittings and valves, I spent 100.00 at Lowes.....and this was a simple run in series valve seem cheap, piece by piece, but it does add up......thank goodness I can do the labor myself....

Post# 559978 , Reply# 19   11/28/2011 at 16:14 (4,613 days old) by RevvinKevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        
I prefer gas dryers.....

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I've had a Frigidaire 220V dryer (along with it's FL washer mate) for the last 13 years or so drying the 4 to 5 weekly loads we'd produce.   Two years ago next month,  I helped a friend run two 220V lines and a gas line into my garage for dryers.   I only have room for three dryers, but can hook up any combo of gas & 220V.   When I first got a couple gas dryers connected, I was surprised how much FASTER they are compared to the 220V dryer in the house.


To echo what many others have said here: I have NEVER had any issues with odd smells or odors in the clothes OR any discoloring or yellowing OR scorching from drying in a gas dryer!  


I would suspect tho that using a commercial dryer, like in a laundromat, all bets may be off.   They are SO heavily used and may or may bt be well maintained AND they run SO HOT that I would think any of those issues could be possible.... IMHO.


For me gas dryers are definately quicker and less expensive to operate the a 220V dryer.


If your water heater is right there, it should be fairly inexpensive to have someone add a "T" and another valve to the gas line.


Go for gas!



Post# 559979 , Reply# 20   11/28/2011 at 16:32 (4,613 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
Gas or electric...?

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Like we get a choice.!

There was a gas dryer manufacturer but they have not made many the most likely

source for gas drying is in Launderettes or commercial premises they are extremely

rare in the home, If I had a choice it would be gas as its by far more efficient

but will stick with my WP US electric dryer as its ace...:) I may retract that

one day when I can afford a heat pump dryer.:)


Post# 559981 , Reply# 21   11/28/2011 at 16:44 (4,613 days old) by Maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)        

White Knight sell a gas heated dryer.


Post# 559984 , Reply# 22   11/28/2011 at 16:55 (4,613 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Yellowing Of Textiles During Laundering Process

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Has been known for ages and the main cause is heat applied to textiles improperly rinsed free of alkaline substances, usually sodium bicarbonate. The application of heat be it from an iron, dryer or whatever will cause items to turn brown or yellow.

This is one of the reasons for rinsing laundry properly and using chemical sours, to remove the by products of sodium carbonate and other base chemicals used in the wash such as pure soaps.

There are also a list of stains/soils that often appear to have been removed during the wash only to reappear once heat is applied. Sugars, fats, oils, etc fall into this category.

Of course using a dryer that is too hot and or leaving items in the machine long after they have dried will probably lead to damage as well.

Post# 560004 , Reply# 23   11/28/2011 at 19:20 (4,612 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)        
Gas may be more environmentally responsible.

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That is, next to drying clothes on a line.  When gas is burned directly in a gas dryer 100% of the heat energy created by the gas is used to dry the clothes.  Thus, much less fuel (gas) is used than would be if the energy had to be converted to electricity. 


The best combined-cycle gas-fired power stations can send at least 50% of the energy created by the fuel up their chimney/into a river (second law of thermodynamics, I believe).  Thus, an electric dryer actually uses more than twice as much gas!  50% of the electric power in the US comes from coal and the efficiency there is even worse - it would take twice to 3 times as much coal to create the electric power needed by an electric dryer.  Even with nuclear power, there might not be emissions but to think that 2/3 of the heat from nuclear fuel goes in the river/up the cooling tower is a terrible waste just to dry clothes.  It makes me think of the Ziploc bag commercial where the woman says "oh, just wrap half of the ham, it will go bad anyway".


Gas dryers can smell if they take in air from a room that might have fumes in it, as if you were painting with an oil-based paint.  So its best to wait until everything is dry before using any dryer.


Since the best way to combat global warming is to burn less fuel in the first place, go with the gas dryer.  Really, even if you get a plumber, it should not cost that much.


By the way, is gas low priced in Canada?  And do they really call the electric meter the "hydro meter"?  Then what do they call the water meter?

Post# 560048 , Reply# 24   11/28/2011 at 20:35 (4,612 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Since cooking was mentioned, I recall seeing an old advertisement that claimed that broiling with gas resulted in less cooking odors/wall grease than with an electric broiler. The claim was the the gas broiler would incinerate the splatters and fumes, while the electric broiler would just send most of the junk into the kitchen air/walls unaltered.

It does make some sense, but I don't think Consumer Reports weighed in on this difference.

Post# 560074 , Reply# 25   11/28/2011 at 23:38 (4,612 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
Go with gas

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In different homes with a wide variety of gas and electric models through the year, I will always choose gas. Only in electric have I ever burned clothes. With or without dryer sheets, gas dried clothes smell fine to me, electric dried smell like my oven burning up a spill. I have never noticed yellowing on anything.


And almost all manufacturers offer the exact same models in either gas or electric, so you can go middle or high-end and get 3 or 4 temps instead of just Hi-Lo or single temp, reserved for more economically priced or BOL models.


Even at $300 for a plumber, you'll more than save that in energy costs during the life of the appliance. Locally, northeast Ohio, it's generically considered $0.20 per load for gas drying, but $0.40 per load electric.


And---I've lived in lots of homes with gas furnaces, dryers, stoves, hot water tanks, etc, but old sparking electric connections have caused more problems than any gas appliances.

Post# 560081 , Reply# 26   11/29/2011 at 00:17 (4,612 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

Thanks everyone.

I think my mind is made up then. :)

Calling electricity "Hydro" is purely an Eastern Canadian thing.. and only because the majority of power over there is done through Hydroelectric dams.

Here in Alberta, the majority of our power comes from Natural Gas Plants.

Natural gas used to be so cheap here that during the Calgary Stampede, they'd have a 80 foot tall flame burning. They stopped doing that a long time ago.

Natural gas is considerably cheaper than electric, but it's not dirt cheap. We measure gas by the Gigajoule. Here's something to wrap your head around. 1 Gigajoule is equivalent to 26.8 Cubic Meters of natural gas. 26.8 Cubic Meters is equivalent to 946.43 cubic feet. We pay $3.67 per Gigajoule.

Has your mind melted yet? :)

Oh, and yes, we still call the water meters water meters. :) We measure water in cubic meters, which is pretty neat because 1 cubic meter of water is equivalent to exactly 1000 liters of water and it also weighs 1000 kilograms. Gotta love the metric system!

Post# 560082 , Reply# 27   11/29/2011 at 00:18 (4,612 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

Oh yeah, strangely enough, the gas model is only $40 more than the electric model and it weighs 10 lbs less than the electric model!

Post# 560118 , Reply# 28   11/29/2011 at 08:39 (4,612 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)        
Your are right Rich

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When my parents bought an "All Gas House of Savings" In 1962 with the pink Caloric built ins, it was advertised as having a "smokeless broiler".  There is some truth to it, the problem is when you bring out the broiler pan to clean it you let smoke out bringing the pan from the broiler to the sink and release a lot of smoke.  Calorics tended to burn everything, so you used the smokeless broiler if you wanted the meat well done.

Post# 560184 , Reply# 29   11/29/2011 at 13:01 (4,612 days old) by Jsneaker ()        
Gas Dryers are the BEST!

We've had four gas dryers in the house since we moved-in in 1962. None of them ever(even the 1954 Caloric)burned or yellowed the laundry. Electricity is so damn expensive here in suburban NYC, that you can dry 3 loads using gas, for the cost of just one electrically dried. Also, the dryer is not "gas-powered", it is gas heated! The main reasons any dryer would yellow laundry is if a cheapo detergent is used(A&H, Dynamo, Fab, Xtra, Sun, etc.), too much is used, or not enough is used. The gas dryers also dry faster!

Post# 560186 , Reply# 30   11/29/2011 at 13:16 (4,612 days old) by Jsneaker ()        
Has anyone ever noticed...

If anyone has ever been out looking to purchase a brand-new house, what I have noticed for years is weird! My sister's house in an Atlanta suburb, for example, had been set to have every appliance/heat/water heat with gas, EXCEPT the dryer! it cost them 200.00 to add the gas line from the garage to the laundry room when building the house. My family never regretted the slight extra expense! Several of my friends' and family's new houses away from NYC area have the same, stupid arrangement!

Post# 560198 , Reply# 31   11/29/2011 at 14:15 (4,612 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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before we bought new....we looked at several homes.......and the areas that offered gas, did have strange arrangements.......

one had 2 water gas and one electric

2. a gas dryer, but an electric stove

3. gas water heater, oil fired heating, electric stove and dryer

in the home we got, gas water heat, gas furnace, gas fireplace, both hookups gas and electric for the stove and dryer....your choice for what was preferred......oddly enough, a dual-fuel stove was installed, top burners and broiler are gas, oven is electric/convection

you do wonder what are they thinking when building these homes....

Post# 560223 , Reply# 32   11/29/2011 at 15:50 (4,612 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Oil Heating & Gas Water Heater

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Actually with some variations is becoming common for multi and single family homes. It depends upon how one wishes to have hot water during the warmer months of the year when the boilers aren't required for producing heat.

Depending upon several variables it may work out cheaper to shut down the boilers and just have hot water supplied by a stand alone heater.

Post# 560224 , Reply# 33   11/29/2011 at 15:54 (4,612 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
"oddly enough, a dual-fuel stove was installed"

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That is the most common stove overhere. Full gas stoves and full electric ones are not as common as the dual fuel ones.

Post# 560239 , Reply# 34   11/29/2011 at 16:45 (4,612 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Yes, Dual Fuel Ranges Are Very Common

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Many prefer the ease of use and quick control of flame that comes with using gas burners, but also like electric ovens especially when combined with convection. The result? Dual fuel ranges.

In many homes on this side of the pond the above isn't much of an issue as ovens and burners are separate units thus solves the problem. Well provided the kitchen has the proper electrical connections.

Post# 560253 , Reply# 35   11/29/2011 at 19:02 (4,611 days old) by fordtech ()        

Been using gas since the 70s. Used electric before that. I hated having to change out those electric coils every so often. The gas dryers have been completely maintenance free for me (all Maytags) and only replaced to match new washers.

Im thinking most of those folks who had gas smelling clothes either had natural gas with a leak in the gas valve or clogged venting (lucky they didnt blow up) or they were using stinky propane.

We have loved our gas dryers for the gentle drying action all these years and the economy which pays for the machine itself in a relative few years.

Down here in Oklahoma our electricity is made with natural gas fired power generation so you pay for gas no matter how you cut it.

Post# 560329 , Reply# 36   11/30/2011 at 05:38 (4,611 days old) by qualin (Canada)        
Gas it is!

OK, you guys and gals have sold me.

I'm considering gas then. Apparently, the lead time on the dryer is six weeks! Guess I better order it now so that I can get it in January.

At least that gives a pipefitter lots of time to come in to put in the hook up.

Thanks for the input everyone, I highly appreciate it.

I'm a little perplexed as to why, since there is a gas line practically running right above the washer and dryer, the builder never put in a hookup, but they did put in an electrical outlet. :-/

Oh well.. Now, converting our electric stove to a gas one will be a huge uphill battle, but that's for another thread. (FYI, Our house wasn't designed for it and it would be illegal to put one in.)

Post# 560351 , Reply# 37   11/30/2011 at 08:02 (4,611 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
It's a preference.

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We have electric.  Not to say we have always been electric.  Way back when my Mom had a Norge gas dryer.  She complained of the gas smell, the browning of the clothes, and --long drying times.


Though she has admitted in her later years that that dryer may have been inproperly, or ineffectively vented; she will not allow a gas dryer (period)  I do think an electric dryer is more forgiving with stupid things like piling clothes around the machine and irregular duct maintenance.


As for burning with electric, I feel it comes more to design than the fuel.  With our former GE dryer with the heater built into the back of the drum you had to be careful that items had room to tumble, and never use dryer sheets.  With the Whirlpool sourced and Maytag machines the electric heater is below the drum and ducted to the back so there is less chance of direct contact with the elements in back and less scorching.


Post# 560408 , Reply# 38   11/30/2011 at 13:30 (4,611 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        

My Mom had a propane dryer for many years after our 52 Westinghouse bit the dust.It was a Whirlpool, and it certainly did NOT yellow anything, or make anything smell burned, we loved it!

Post# 560756 , Reply# 39   12/2/2011 at 00:06 (4,609 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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So WHY would it be illegal to add /convert to a gas stove in your area of Canada?

Venting requirements?
air-changes per hour requirement?

Governmental acknowledgement of poisons produced by combustion?

Post# 560777 , Reply# 40   12/2/2011 at 06:36 (4,609 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Gas Dryers

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Doesn't the burner in a gas dryer have to be adjusted to be sure the gas burns properly? I know on my gas range, the burner in the ove floor had to be adjusted to be sure the gas burned blue and not yellow. Do dryers require the same thing?


Post# 560794 , Reply# 41   12/2/2011 at 08:27 (4,609 days old) by DirectDriveDave ()        
Gas Adjustment

I don't think you necessarily HAVE to, as I know the 2010 dryer my bro has and the 1990 dryer had no adjustments, but (Kind of like you stated) there is a way to adjust it, should it be needed.

Post# 560905 , Reply# 42   12/3/2011 at 02:49 (4,608 days old) by qualin (Canada)        
To Toggleswitch

To answer your question,

Our house doesn't have any venting for a gas stove. There has to be a proper hood exhaust which vents to the outside, which we don't have.

Our kitchen came with one of those recirculating ones which just recycle the air inside the house.

So, installing a gas range properly while conforming to building codes would be prohibitively expensive, unfortunately.

My wife is also afraid of how the fumes from the gas burning could kill our birds. She has the same concern about a gas dryer, but I don't think it would be an issue.

Post# 560909 , Reply# 43   12/3/2011 at 04:25 (4,608 days old) by Maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)        
About the only way

a properly vented gas dryer could hurt pet birds would be if the cat lured them into the drum, closed the door, and set the heat on "high," and turned it on.

My Rosa is not that evil.


Post# 560958 , Reply# 44   12/3/2011 at 12:39 (4,608 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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My wife is also afraid of how the fumes from the gas burning could kill our birds.

Funny how we put other animals before ourselves. If it hurts them, wont it hurt you?
Just takes more poison with humans to have a noticeable effect.

Post# 560963 , Reply# 45   12/3/2011 at 12:51 (4,608 days old) by Toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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I'm a little perplexed as to why, since there is a gas line practically running right above the washer and dryer, the builder never put in a hookup, but they did put in an electrical outlet

1- Cheaper for the builder to do.

2- In some areas the homeowner doesn't want to pay to have the gas connection made, since they may not be allowed to do it themselves.

3- Some people "feel" (not believe or have any logical reason to think) that flames and clothing are more dangerous than an electric dryer.

4- The first dryers were electric since practically no one wanted to plumb in the gas, and people just got used to them being electric. (These early ones were able to use 110v when 220v was non-existent or there was limited amperage to the home).

In actuality. I am not fond of an electric dryer's penchant for popping a heating coil/element and having it short out to the frame of the machine. If the resulting break (and ground-fault) does not result in blowing a fuse or popping a circuit breaker someone may get zapped!

Also as spilt-phase 220v system here in North America, in theory, the element may be energized with 110v (during a ground-fault) if BOTH sides of the line are not property switched (off) during non-operation. BOTH poles (hots) need to be disconnected from the power supply with our way of achieving 220v [hot-to-hot a/k/a line-to-line rather than line-to-neutral or line-to-ground/earth]. Not all sure appliances do this. An electric stove I disassembled only cut power to one of the two hots with all 6 elements.

Post# 561010 , Reply# 46   12/3/2011 at 16:07 (4,608 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

I dry with gas during the summer and with electric during the winter. I like electric better but not enough to pay the higher summer rates. I think the clothes smell nicer out of the electric dryers, but I don't have to justify that to anyone since it's my nose and my money. In the early 50s, there was some discussion about gas dryers being more prone to yellowing nylon just by the interaction of the products of combustion and the fabric, but maybe people don't have white nylon garments anymore or some part of the nylon-making process changed to prevent the yellowing.

Post# 561033 , Reply# 47   12/3/2011 at 19:08 (4,607 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

I have a dual fuel range-gas cooking burners, electric oven with convention fan that has it's own electric coils.  I would rather have electric induction for the cook top, but the oven is fine.


For dyer I have gas.  I guess it depends on the model and how old it is.  My previous gas dryer used a much higher heat setting  than my current one, but my current one blows way more air across the clothes and out of the vent so you basically get  very very warm air blowing like crazy over the clothes which dries them very quickly.  You can also choose a gentle setting to cool down the air or a turbo setting which increases the temperature.


Never had any problem with smells or yellowing.  I have noticed a difference in the heat when pausing the cycle.  The heat produced by gas seems contain more moisture than that of electric.  In the end they both dry.  Where I live gas continues to be cheaper  for drying clothes so that's what I continue to use.  When I use fabric softener it is only in the last rinse of the washer and the gas dryer doesn't seem to have any impact on the scent.


I use gas to heat my house, and I have a tank-less gas hot water heater, and have never had a problem with needing a flame mixture adjustment on any of these appliances.

Post# 561252 , Reply# 48   12/5/2011 at 06:33 (4,606 days old) by kenmore700bill (Lodi NJ)        
Burned - Yellowing???

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I grew up with Gas Dryers, if your dryer is buring or yelloing clothes
I would think it is time to have the dryer service. As for smells the Softener or dryer sheet smell is still on my clothes when cycle completes.

Post# 561269 , Reply# 49   12/5/2011 at 08:37 (4,606 days old) by Hunter (Colorado)        

Growing up, we had a gas dryer. In a lot of my adult life, I've had electric dryers and gas stoves.

However, around 1994 I read a Lancet study that boiled down to "If you have any allergies or breathing difficulties, don't have gas flames in your home." We switched to an electric stove and it DID make a world of difference for my wife. (I don't have any breathing problems).

In a vented dryer it's hard to imagine that you'd have that issue.

Currently we have a gas fireplace insert that draws external air for combustion and vents outside. Ditto for the furnace. We figured that these'd be fine and they are.

Just my $.02.

Post# 561271 , Reply# 50   12/5/2011 at 09:22 (4,606 days old) by DWLaurie ()        

After reading most of the responses so far I only saw ONE person mention the heating coil popping on an electric! My dad is a firefighter and went to dryer fires all the time, gas and electric alike! It doesn't matter if it is gas or electric DO NOT USE PLASTIC FLEXIBLE DUCTING! Avoid aluminum flexible ducting as well! Only use solid steel or aluminum ducting with as short a run as possible with as few turns as possible and CLEAN REGULARLY! My mom had the same weird fear as most people do; gas dryers are less safe than electric ones because of the lint and the flame. TOTAL BS! If you use solid ducting, SEAL IT UP WITH ALUMINUM TAPE (NOT PLASTIC DUCT TAPE), and inspect/clean the dryer and ducts often (at least twice a year) you will not have a problem.

Now, for my preference, having had both, gas baby! Why? Ever have to replace an electric element? If you're lucky you will have a Whirlpool that has the pod under the drum, if you're unlucky you'll have a GE that has the coils on the back of the drum! Either way, you have to stretch the coil as evenly as possible to avoid hot spots. BTW, if you use sneakers or tennis balls to "help" dry items you are causing extra vibration that will shorten the life of your electric coil. There is no coil in a gas dryer to break. Sure there is the gas valve and an igniter that might have to be replaced, but you probably won't have to remove the drum to do it (nods to GE dryer). The thermostats are the same. BTW the electric element isn't feathered up and feathered down while the dry cycle happens. The coil is on, or it's off, just like gas. High heat, medium heat, low heat, no heat is still controlled by the same switch on the control panel. The thermostat controls how hot the air gets. The coil might not get as hot on low as it does on high, but the flame might be as high on low as it is on high. Same gas valves do have multiple flow settings. So gas or electric? All other things being equal (aside from cost to purchase and cost to operate) gas gets my vote for ease of servicing.

Post# 561321 , Reply# 51   12/5/2011 at 15:26 (4,606 days old) by DirectDriveDave ()        

Is flexible aluminum THAT bad? we have been using it for many years without incident.

Post# 561335 , Reply# 52   12/5/2011 at 17:07 (4,606 days old) by Maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)        

there is the semi-rigid flexible ducting, and then there is plastic ducting with a foil coating.

CU has warned against the plastic with the foil coating, and reluctantly approves of the semi-rigid ducting.


Post# 561359 , Reply# 53   12/5/2011 at 20:01 (4,605 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

When we moved into our house, the dryer had plastic ducting with a wire coil in it. Took that off and couldn't believe the amount of lint inside of the ducting.

Can't say how fast I replaced it with aluminum ducting.

Good point about the coils in electric dryers. Never had an issue with my GE, but I would like items to dry faster, it's much slower than my parents old Whirlpool.

Thanks for the advice everyone.

To DELaurie, we haven't inspected the dryer vent since 2004. Guess it's about time. :) (Never had any issues.)

Post# 561506 , Reply# 54   12/6/2011 at 12:39 (4,605 days old) by DWLaurie ()        

Any form of flexible ducting is going to have far more edges for lint to catch on than solid ducting. The more lint you have in your ducting, the less air that you are moving through it, the hotter your dryer and clothes are going to get, the more likely that something somewhere is going to combust.

Argue that plastic ducting is itself is also combustible! Aluminum flex pipe....not combustible BUT a truckload of ridges on that stuff!

For my money I prefer 4" aluminum solid ducts versus steel....why? Steel, unless is it galvanized with rust. But steel also holds on to heat. I would rather use the heat transference properties of Aluminum to help warm the basement just a bit. It's not a huge help, but it is a bit. Aluminum is also easier to work with when cutting with snips to get it to fit in just right.

Speaking of warming a space with a dryer, we all know that you should not used inside venting for a gas dryer, right? It's OK for electrics to provide heat and humidity, but don't do it with gas. While you should only get Carbon Dioxide off of that flame, you could get Carbon Monoxide. Don't do it. Don't chance it. I don't think any of us need the sleep THAT bad! ;)

Post# 562006 , Reply# 55   12/8/2011 at 19:46 (4,602 days old) by mayguy (Minnesota)        

I grew up with gas, and had no issues with any of the mention issues.

I had electric in a few rental and our current house when we first moved in. It seems that the electric scorched the clothes a bit, and seems to run hotter, so I had to lower the temp down to low.

I ran a gas line for the dryer, and while I was at it, I did it for the stove.. Getting rid of the electric dryer, and stove, my electric bill dropped about $15 a months, and gas didn't even go up.

Post# 562075 , Reply# 56   12/9/2011 at 05:33 (4,602 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

My wife has posted on the bird forms and she's gotten two replies back saying that gas dryers don't pose a threat to birds. (I sure hope not!)

I don't want to mess around when it comes to installing the gas line. The cheapest gasfitter I could find says they can do it for $275 flat rate and then $8/ft for the pipe to put in.. All the others wanted somewhere around $500-$600 to put it in.

I suspect it'll probably be 30 years before I get my investment back, as opposed to just using the electrical outlet which is already there. At least I'll only have to get the gas line installed once.

The previous owners of our house where such techophobes, I had to pay a professional installer almost $400 so we could have telephones in rooms other than the kitchen.. Erf.

Post# 562094 , Reply# 57   12/9/2011 at 07:18 (4,602 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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"I had to pay a professional installer almost $400 so we could have telephones in rooms other than the kitchen.."

I guess a handfree set with a series of handsets would have been a lot cheaper. I have four phones and for those I only needed one connection.

Post# 562171 , Reply# 58   12/9/2011 at 15:44 (4,602 days old) by fordtech ()        

As I mentioned earlier we use Gas on the dryer and we also have a gas range and gas water heater and gas furnace. We have 6 birds too, and they are happy and alive and well. The only risk of fumes/carbon monoxide is with negligence the great majority of the time.

Edit.. oh and we also have a gas fireplace!

Post# 739868 , Reply# 59   3/6/2014 at 15:23 (3,784 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        
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I do smell gas as well as the musti-ness of the basement coming right up through my Laundry Chute; I hope it's normal to...!

Must be my "Gassy Trio": The Furnace, Water Heater & Dryer!

(Though I notice no difference, really if the dryer is on & the water heater & furnace have pilots, so that might be why...)

-- Dave

Post# 740228 , Reply# 60   3/8/2014 at 07:15 (3,782 days old) by kitty ()        

Our 19 year old GE electric heated dryer has never broken. All we've done to it was clean the lint out of the machine which was recent. The heater has always worked amd nothing but a little knob for the start switch broke after 19 years. I remember we went to a laundromat with gas dryers and after the dryer was done, the clothes had a slight gas smell to them, so I think electric would be the way to go.

Post# 740338 , Reply# 61   3/8/2014 at 11:42 (3,782 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        

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Here is a video that just makes me nervous to watch!


Post# 740568 , Reply# 62   3/9/2014 at 07:31 (3,781 days old) by angus (Fairfield, CT.)        

I am in the process of moving my laundry room and since my neighborhood just got natural gas service, have been considering replacing my electric dryer with a gas model figuring it was more economical. I don't know why, but I still have reservations about it. I know many people have had gas dryers for years with no issue and I already have gas heat and hot water, but I just seem to be more worried about the safety (short and long term) of a gas dryer. Intellectually, I know I am being irrational and I wish I could reason my way through that.

Post# 740653 , Reply# 63   3/9/2014 at 11:22 (3,781 days old) by turboace (Wilmington, NC)        

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I grew up with a gas maytag 1968 Avacado green dryer. I was born in 1970 and that dryer lasted until 2002 when my parents finally sold that house. Who knows it may still be going somewhere. It only ever had one service call to replace the thermocouple on the pilot light. I do remember my mom would pull it away from the wall and take the back apart and clean out the lint out of it. Once a mouse got in and it was stinking. Mouse decapitation and asphyxiation in the squirt cage blower.

Today I have a Miele LP gas dryer and it dries fast and perfect. The only time I ever have noticed an odd odor on the finished clothes was when the 500 gal propane tank ran nearly empty(bad gauge) and that's when the highest concentration of the odorant (mercaptin)comes out. Otherwise, perfectly happy with both gas and LP my whole life.

Post# 740662 , Reply# 64   3/9/2014 at 12:04 (3,781 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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I have the best of both worlds, Gas and Electric.
Since my nasal is wide open, they both give off different scents and the winner is electric since it is more tolerable to notice less. As for gentleness, gas wins hands down. For quick drying electric wins in my house because of different room setup (electric in the house/gas in the garage).

I use the gas dryer for long deep drying of King Size bed comforter and all cotton thick bathroom floor mats that take forever to dry.

Both will get the job done and gas will costs less to use than electric.
If your washer spins at full speed from the beginning of the cycle to the end then electric is the way to go, if not gas should be considered!
Step spin extracts less water, something to think about!

Post# 744591 , Reply# 65   3/23/2014 at 19:54 (3,766 days old) by washerdude (Canada )        
My bet is electric

A while ago we lived in an apartment when we we're on vaction. There was an Inglis coin op gas dryer. So one day we did a little experment. We threw the washed clothes into the dryer set it on medium heat and turned it on and timed it. Though these ones have a pre-set timer all the clothes we're done in 45 minutes including the towel. When we got back from vaction we did the same thing with our maytag electric dryer. Same settings (medium heat) and set it to 45 minutes. Guess what? The same load was also tried in the same time it took as the gas dryer even the same towel. So my bet is still with electric. But if you come to think about all the safty things with gas dryer's it can switch your mind around. So for me it's still electric.

But this video may alert you a little more because you trust these things to be built well and be safe but you really don't know what goes on inside....


Post# 863833 , Reply# 66   1/24/2016 at 13:44 (3,095 days old) by Stricklybojack (South Hams Devon UK)        

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Thanks for that video Malcolm, it really put my mind at ease regarding the choice i made.
Given the dryer vents into the garage whith it's collection of petroleum distillates gas would never have been a smart choice. Also a plumber would have to be hired for the install. On top of all that we got our electric SQ dryer at a closeout price which wasn't available in gas. Seeing that video though really has put the (second) thought out of my mind for good.

That said, if were to someday buy a nice stacked SQ unit, with digital controls, that didn't have venting issues, well i might revisit the question. That guy did seem to indicated the machine had been tampered with, and it is in a commercial setting.

Post# 864166 , Reply# 67   1/26/2016 at 14:51 (3,093 days old) by MieleFan (Australia)        
Electrical Panel.

Another thing to consider is amperage.

If you buy the gas dryer, it requires much less amperage and thus frees up amps from your electrical panel. As for myself, I would also buy a gas range. Houses here in the USA are required to have 100 amps as a minimum. Having a gas range and gas dryer allows a home with 60 or 100 amps to then connect central air-conditioning if wanted, for example.

Post# 864246 , Reply# 68   1/27/2016 at 04:26 (3,092 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

Wow.. Old thread.. Just thought I'd mention that my utilities bill is about $30 a month less than it was when we had an electric dryer. Over the last few years I've had this gas dryer, it's paid for itself just in utilities savings alone.

I'm glad I bought a gas dryer. It was well worth the price.

Post# 864273 , Reply# 69   1/27/2016 at 09:31 (3,092 days old) by DaveAmKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        

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If I haven't mentioned this already, I would laud a gas dryer for the idea that in spite of the money that they cost over purchasing an electric dryer, they pay you back instantly in that they cost a lot less to run!

As for repairs, it is most-likely the parts are easy to break down individually and just as quickly to repair as you go--such as the burner, ignitor, manifold, etc. prolonging a long-life even if electrics are more simpler as they use a heating element, which upon its needed replacement, may mean replacing the whole unit, as opposed to the many more parts a gas dryer uses being replaced on a more individual basis, thus still saving over a buying a whole new machine...



-- Dave

Post# 864292 , Reply# 70   1/27/2016 at 11:23 (3,092 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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Natural Gas has always been known to be cheaper to operate, for drying, heating, hot water and cooking.....

having lived in an all electric house with skyrocketing electric bills, and now converted to gas, and combined bills under $150.00, you can't argue the results

but curious, are there areas where electric is cheaper to use versus gas?....

not sure about other areas, but LP gas falls somewhere in between....

gas has been an easy choice when hooking up several dryers, they all operate off a regular 110 voltage plug

Post# 864302 , Reply# 71   1/27/2016 at 12:51 (3,092 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)        

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Propane is outrageously expensive here as that company owns your tank and can and will charge you all outdoors. My dryer is electric, though I use my clothesline whenever possible. I can fill my BBQ grill tank for half the price per gallon as what my propane company charges me to fill my big house tank. Their excuse is because I dont use enough gas. I will never see natural gas this far out of the city.

Post# 864307 , Reply# 72   1/27/2016 at 13:14 (3,092 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        

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I could never understand why a gas dryer, water heater, and furnace had to be vented outside, but your gas range did not. Are they assuming people dry more laundry than cook?


Post# 864311 , Reply# 73   1/27/2016 at 13:22 (3,092 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)        

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I'd suspect the lack of venting of a gas stove is largely due to the fact that the total BTU output is comparatively small as it the total duty cycle.

But of course the gas stove does indeed create indoor air pollution and really should be used with a operating vent hood. This one of those things that makes gas better suited to a commercial kitchen as they never turn off the vent hoods.

It reminds me a bit of when OSHA came to visit our machine shop. They were VERY concerned about how we monitored the CO levels caused by our propane fueled forklift. I mentioned that we run it for less then 5 minutes a MONTH and generally only when the dock door is open to load/unload a truck. There would never be appreciable CO build up here, but we had to buy measurement equipment to prove it :p

Post# 864320 , Reply# 74   1/27/2016 at 13:57 (3,092 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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never understood the cause/effects of venting gas.....some thing seems odd......could it be the effects of something like a dryers exhausting high BTU's for roughly an hour or more?...

our living room fireplace is vented up through the roof, but then again, it pulls air from the outside for combustion, and allows Summer use without heating the house....

yet the basement fireplace is not vented.....this is allowed for living/rec room spaces, but not for something like a bedroom...

for one thing, our chimney never needs cleaning versus using kerosene for heating...found that an advantage to having gas...

Post# 864321 , Reply# 75   1/27/2016 at 14:03 (3,092 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine)        

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My nieces range hood automatically comes on when a burner is turned on. My living room Hearthstone vents thru the roof and my basement fireplace is also non vented. It does have an oxygen depletion sensor that will shut it down completely. When I had a gas dryer it was vented outside but with my electric dryer, I can vent it right into the house, that is after the moisture is just about gone for additional heat.

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Post# 864444 , Reply# 76   1/28/2016 at 06:07 (3,091 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)        
Propane here

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 is  outrageously expensive as well.  My grandmother lived in a small speck on the map and everyone there used propane or electric....she had propane but used her electric radiant heaters too, to kind of balance the bill just about evenly I guess although she had electric dryer and hot water too.  I converted my gas grill to NG when I got the house in '98 and have never looked back.  I use the old bottle on an infrared heater when I have to do car maintenance in the winter.  Ever since I've owned my own house it's been "house rule" if the range is on, so is the hood!

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