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Post# 584256   3/21/2012 at 19:03 (4,418 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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How to repair drain technology that has worn out!

Taking apart my 1956 Easy Spiralator last weekend for a rebuild. I found the drain hose was 'hosed'! So it needed to come out. BUT the Easy like the Kennamores has molded hoses which connect directly to the drain tub.
See hosed hose:





Post# 584257 , Reply# 1   3/21/2012 at 19:06 (4,418 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
See the top of the hose

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it has a flared molding that attaches directly to the tub opening , there is no chute descending from the tub to attach a hose too, there is no clamp. It has a pop ring which when pushed down in the hose clamps the rubber flanges to the tub bottom. This is 1950's technology and a lot of machines of the time have this tech. When you remove the hose all you are left with is a big flat open hole.

What do you do with a big open hole now?





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Post# 584258 , Reply# 2   3/21/2012 at 19:10 (4,418 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
The best solution is

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some kind of stainless flange that you can attach modern straight hose too.
I used a 2 inch sink drain strainer that fits perfectly and is bolted to the tub with rubber washers.

That way if anything goes wrong down the road, say Robert decides to come and do laundry in my machine and screws it up- I can go in and unbolt and easily repair any sabotage he has done.

The stainless drain flange comes with its own bolt and washers so it just goes in the hole and bolts right on the tub bottom.





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Post# 584261 , Reply# 3   3/21/2012 at 19:14 (4,418 days old) by bendixmark (Winchester Mass)        
holes

This happened to my westy slantfront when I had one.I GE siliconed it back on.I believe marine supply stores have things that thread into a hole like that that you can then attach a hose to.

Post# 584263 , Reply# 4   3/21/2012 at 19:14 (4,418 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
On the underside

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now from the strainer assembly is a drain tube that you can attach hose too. I needed to make a right angle turn right away coming out of the tub because Beam machines are PACKED with machinery underneath so there isn't much room for anything else.

I attached a reducer which stepped me down from 1 1/2 inch to 1 inch in one step. Then I was able to make the right hand turn with schedule 40 PVC barb connectors. The barb on the end will ensure I can attach a 1 inch ID hose from that directly to the pump.

BOOM BOOM DONE.




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Post# 584264 , Reply# 5   3/21/2012 at 19:16 (4,418 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Here are all the parts laid out

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before I started.


Post# 584266 , Reply# 6   3/21/2012 at 19:19 (4,418 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Dense Beam technology

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You have to be able to take the tub and outer tub out to be able to change the belts!! But now all those bolts and widgets and tubes are free unstuck so it will be a breeze next time--in 60 years again.



Post# 584268 , Reply# 7   3/21/2012 at 19:21 (4,418 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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Post# 584269 , Reply# 8   3/21/2012 at 19:23 (4,418 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Back to the Easy

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A pre breakdown look. Heat was needed, remember Heat is your friend!

That tub had not been off that flange in 60 years. Heat & a Hammer were the only things that worked.


Post# 584271 , Reply# 9   3/21/2012 at 19:28 (4,418 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
This weekend

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it all goes back together and ready for laundry, after I replace the wash solenoid which caught on fire last weekend and stunk the whole house up!!!!



Post# 584275 , Reply# 10   3/21/2012 at 19:34 (4,418 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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Very crafty!

Post# 584277 , Reply# 11   3/21/2012 at 19:40 (4,418 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
thank you nmassman

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I have been cleaning up the machine, see which part is 60 years old and which is NOS SQ

Post# 584279 , Reply# 12   3/21/2012 at 19:42 (4,418 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
I forgot I have a shot of the

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solenoid fire Yuck! Boy did that STINK!



Post# 584280 , Reply# 13   3/21/2012 at 19:49 (4,418 days old) by YOGITUNES (New Jersey)        

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Jon

aren't these EASY's along the lines of Speed Queen solid tub designs?.....

I was wondering about your comment on taking the tubs out to change the belts......

for my SQ's, I only have to remove the agitator shaft to change the belts......


but love the work your doing......great info......I was wondering about this idea before for ST outter tubs drain port issues.......but I was also wondering about your using a sinks strainer assy, and catching threads and lint, just like an actual sinks drain.....would hate to see you have to take this apart all the time to clean this out, wonder if one is available without that cross at the bottom...


Post# 584297 , Reply# 14   3/21/2012 at 20:59 (4,418 days old) by rickr (.)        

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Great fix it job Jon! When restoring antiques it pays to think "out of the box" doesn't it?

Post# 584298 , Reply# 15   3/21/2012 at 20:59 (4,418 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Martin

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I like the idea of the cross at the bottom as it will protect the pump, I can reach down easily when the machine is assembled and clean out the cross. ( Robert is infamous for throwing socks down my machines)

No the Easy is a little different than the SQ as the agitate shaft can not come out unless you disassemble the whole machine. The Easy uses a lock collar ABOVE the spin bearing cage under the tub dome, unlike the SQ which uses a lock collar BELOW the spin bearing cage where you can get at it. Thus allowing you to pull the agitate shaft up on the SQ to get the belt by it.





Post# 584308 , Reply# 16   3/21/2012 at 22:24 (4,418 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)        
Jon!

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I'm impressed. You are a GENIUS!

I tell you, miscellaneous hardware store parts are our best friends!

Great resto work on this washer - as always!

Patrick


Post# 584310 , Reply# 17   3/21/2012 at 22:32 (4,418 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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Jon did you get the parts from the hardware store in Melrose? I checked that place out...the one on Main Street and I was amazed at what they had there....

Post# 584354 , Reply# 18   3/22/2012 at 06:22 (4,418 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
No Whittemore's is an oldie

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I got them from Round's Hardware in Stoneham, Bill & Bruce are friends and they are going to carry Rosalies when it comes out. They have a ton of stuff too! I am lucky where I live, if I tried to do this on the Cape I would be driving around a solid two hours!!

Hopefully Easy Laundry vids to follow.

I LOVE SOLID WHITE TUB MACHINES!!!





Post# 584357 , Reply# 19   3/22/2012 at 06:43 (4,418 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
You've Said it Jon

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"If I tried to do this on the Cape, I'd be driving for 2 hours".

 

And you would still probably end up driving off Cape to find what your looking for.


Post# 584360 , Reply# 20   3/22/2012 at 06:56 (4,418 days old) by Easyspindry (Winston-Salem, NC)        
Jon, you guys . . .

. . . never cease to amaze me. Way to go with the Easy drain repair!!!

The only thing I've done to my Easy is replace the faucet hoses. I used automobile heater hose, and it's working beautifully.

Now if I can just figure out how to get the top off my Duomatic to get to the fresh water leak . . .

Thanks for sharing.

Jerry Gay


Post# 584373 , Reply# 21   3/22/2012 at 08:05 (4,418 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        
Sock in the pump -

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now that you've protected the Easy from the jumping socks, you'll have to make a mental note to keep your water hose out of the timer!

 

Love the hardware store - you can even make tub-boots with plumbing parts!  Can you name the machine?

 


Post# 584383 , Reply# 22   3/22/2012 at 09:48 (4,418 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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I know, I know ;-D

 

Fabulous work Jon and thanks for documenting for everyone!  I've used bathroom basin sink drains for a few similar repairs.


Post# 584384 , Reply# 23   3/22/2012 at 09:53 (4,418 days old) by macboy91si (Frankfort, KY)        
Name That Machine

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Early SQ?

 

-Tim


Post# 584412 , Reply# 24   3/22/2012 at 12:02 (4,417 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Gosh, Jon

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It reminds me of those push up hoses you'd use in an old showerless bath tub. Imagine, they used them on Easies. What a fabulous re-design you've created.

 

The Robert jokes are really funny. God bless him.

 

Speaking of vids, I'll give you a million dollars if you'll take your new iphone, aim it right, and deliver us the lit up, glass front Easy, rinsing. Do you think the iphone will capture the magic?




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Post# 584437 , Reply# 25   3/22/2012 at 14:25 (4,417 days old) by YOGITUNES (New Jersey)        

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Thanks for the info Jon........this is great stuff......and for so many who don't think outside the box...when parts become NLA, they think their sunk, many other parts and ideas can be had, just because it was not designed for the washer, doesn't mean it won't work......

another member on here tossed aside a SQ because of this same issue, and didn't want to try a method similar to yours......ashame, when a simple fix will have your running again for many years....probably longer than an original replacement would.....

excellent!....

heck, setups like this can be used as gravity drains as well.....the ideas are endless


Post# 584452 , Reply# 26   3/22/2012 at 15:12 (4,417 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
I know what machine that is

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but HOW did you make that boot?? I want details mister!



Post# 584454 , Reply# 27   3/22/2012 at 15:20 (4,417 days old) by YOGITUNES (New Jersey)        

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Come on Jon.....thats along the same lines as what you just did.....

looks to be a 3 or 4 inch TO 1 1/2 inch adapter.....and possible another hose along the shaft to fill in the gap....


wouldn't a universal boot from a drive shaft of a car do the same thing as well......almost resembles a bellows on a Frigidaire....

I'm loving all these ideas.....


Post# 584466 , Reply# 28   3/22/2012 at 16:36 (4,417 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Excellent Ideas!

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Brilliant idea Jon

I'm pretty sure my Simpson Fluid Drives have the same type of pump hose, so i know if they ever fail, what can be done.

Oh...and a solid tub fully programmed Simpson Fluid Drive with the plastic liner video is going to uploaded soon...

Cheers
Leon


Post# 584485 , Reply# 29   3/22/2012 at 18:43 (4,417 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
But, But, But

Hate to sound like a motorboat, but won't lint get caught in the cross hairs of the drain and clog it since you can't easily get to it to clean it? I remember those brass wires that formed the strainer in the bottom of the suds hose for the KM washer and those 4 thin wires caught a lot of lint which we had to pick off. Love your ingenuity or, going by your picture, your ingenuety.

Post# 584689 , Reply# 30   3/23/2012 at 20:17 (4,416 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Well Tom

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lint may catch, may not , this won't be a daily driver so its not going to see heaps of laundry. BUT the top comes off very easily and there is ample clearance to get my arm down there to clean it out if it should come to that.

jon


Post# 585010 , Reply# 31   3/25/2012 at 15:25 (4,414 days old) by jeff_adelphi (Adelphi, Maryland, USA)        
Nice work, Jon

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I'm sure the guard could be cut out if nessesary, but it may take some time to clog unless you are washing rugs or old rags.

 

They make plastic bulkhead fittings in many different sizes that would work like this. They can be found in marine supply shops and pond supply. The plastic is thicker then the stainless sink part so fit might be a problem.


Post# 585117 , Reply# 32   3/26/2012 at 06:34 (4,414 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Well every one

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I did cut the cross piece out. I began thinking of how often the bathtub drain needs cleaning just from hair and realized it would be a good idea to do that as well here.

Its all back together and running smooth. Now I will take the cabinet up to Boston this week and paint it.

Finished product should be done soon!




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