Thread Number: 40332
Miele EXITS US Large Capacity Marketplace! |
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Post# 597001   5/17/2012 at 07:05 (4,361 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 597009 , Reply# 1   5/17/2012 at 08:01 (4,361 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN)   |   | |
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Wow - didn't see that coming, especially after they just introduced the IntelliQ stuff north of the border. I wonder if this means they'll bring back the 240v machines? If they could run them off a "buddy" outlet on their electric dryer like Asko & Bosch do they'd get past the biggest hurdle most people have with them (rewiring) and they'd probably sell well...
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Post# 597023 , Reply# 2   5/17/2012 at 10:01 (4,361 days old) by washmeup (scottsdale)   |   | |
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Post# 597027 , Reply# 3   5/17/2012 at 10:15 (4,361 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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The article said they would continue to sell the 24" machines and they do have a duplex outlet where one 30 dryer outlet will power the washer & dryer. The 24" machines have been available all along, but the US models are very dumbed down control & option wise. |
Post# 597257 , Reply# 5   5/18/2012 at 04:06 (4,360 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Perhaps it shows that their strategy worked, i.e. people who can afford to aspire to the Miele Brand have worked out that "Bigger isnt always Best" and that the W3000 machines @ 6kg are perfect for their present day laundry requirements for wash performance, design of use and total efficiency - job done....!!!
One needs to understand one Aspires to "Brand Miele" - I`m still aspiring, will let you know when I`m there...!!! |
Post# 597266 , Reply# 6   5/18/2012 at 06:00 (4,360 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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Mike, When one has a pair of V-ZUGs, might it be deduced that one has surpassed the stage of aspiring to own Mieles? |
Post# 597283 , Reply# 7   5/18/2012 at 09:01 (4,360 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 597320 , Reply# 10   5/18/2012 at 13:32 (4,360 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Most persons chose the 3033 series over the 4800 it seems because there seems to be an opinion that the former was built more as a "true Miele" from Germany than the latter. Then there was also the fact that the 48XX series was quite large, couldn't stack and for all that didn't hold *that* much more than the 3033. Suppose of one routinely laundered queen sized or above duvets and such the larger machine might have made sense, but most didn't see it that way.
Miele's other problem with the 48XX series is that it was basically a unique thing for the North American market, thus unlike their others costs cannot be spread over a worldwide market. It must have been a pain for Miele having to make a washer that can only be sold in their non-native market. Bosch tired it but moved production to the USA in order to cut costs. Miele refuses to build a plant in the USA. Regarding 220v washers, our dealer told us that Miele no longer offers 220v machines for sale in the USA, will have to investigate. |
Post# 597365 , Reply# 12   5/18/2012 at 17:51 (4,360 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)   |   | |
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I can tell you first hand that my Miele 4800 washer and my Miele 9800 dryer are not made in Mexico...try Czechoslavakia . You would think that paying thru the nose for these two it would have been built in Germany. Alot of the components are made in Germany and Miele makes its own electronics and motors. One thing that they claim 4 cu ft for the washer and granted it does hold alot but that's only if it's packed. Now the dryer on the other hand falls short on handling whatever size load the washer holds. The dryer is rather noisy too since it pulls alot of air thru the load but it's fast. But only fast if the load is spun at high speed. I tried using my Maytag A613 with the dryer and my gawd it took forever to dry a load.
I can understand why Miele pulled out of the US market. They certainly didn't give the US market the incredible warranty that they have in Canada for the machines. The set I have in Maine isn't being used anymore and I am thinking of selling them. Nothing wrong with them and not used more than 4 months total. |
Post# 597373 , Reply# 13   5/18/2012 at 18:10 (4,360 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)   |   | |
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I have the T9822 gas dryer. Did you get the revised lint screen? That makes a lot of difference in the air sound on the inside, not so much on the outside though. |
Post# 597388 , Reply# 14   5/18/2012 at 19:05 (4,360 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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That ship has sailed, and probably will not dock again on these shores.
For ages Miele stuck with the line it would *ever* offer 120v washers in the United States as 220v was vastly better on many front. However they soon learned that despite their huge price tag and quality not every Amercian home had, wanted or would install 220v service just for a washing machine. Most ever Miele dealer in NYC we have spoken with said that bit was often a deal breaker. It became more so once other brands of front loaders such as LG, Whirlpool, Samsung et al came on the USA market. Despite recent efforts Miele is still a niche brand on these shores. While they do have some wonderful appliances, outside of the rotary ironer and a few other things they have nothing other appliance makers do not offer often for less. Furthermore as another posteer mentioned, for the money Miele wants for it's laundry appliances they should come with more than a puny one year warranty. Especially given the really dear call out charges from Miele service. |
Post# 597391 , Reply# 15   5/18/2012 at 19:08 (4,360 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)   |   | |
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Didn't Bosch do the same thing about a year ago (exited the large FL market)? |
Post# 597407 , Reply# 16   5/18/2012 at 20:49 (4,360 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Bosch had the "Nexxt" or some such line of large unstackable frontloaders (made in their USA plant), but they were discontinued early this or last year.
IIRC the first models had problems (bearings?) that caused some machines to fail way eariler than they should, not sure how subsequent models held up. We liked the looks and idea of the machine, even thought about purchasing one when they first came upon the scene, but cycles were limited and IIRC was another case of preprogramed wash/rinse temps via cycles. Also none of the machines had separate rinse and spin offerings. |
Post# 597432 , Reply# 17   5/18/2012 at 23:49 (4,360 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)   |   | |
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The redesigned fullsized Bosches were stackable -- I looked into buying a pair late in 2010 and they would have had to be stackable to fit in the space I had. The tops were plastic, which was a bit of a surprise, and didn't look too good unstacked. Not too long after they announced production was being discontinued.
Their initial fullsize offerings (also sold as Siemens at Best Buy for a time) were probably the ones that didn't stack. They had a tilted drum and I vaguely remember hearing about it causing some kind of problem.
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Post# 597483 , Reply# 19   5/19/2012 at 08:36 (4,359 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 597570 , Reply# 23   5/19/2012 at 16:49 (4,359 days old) by SeamusUK (Dover Kent UK)   |   | |
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Post# 597571 , Reply# 24   5/19/2012 at 16:50 (4,359 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)   |   | |
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Post# 597575 , Reply# 25   5/19/2012 at 17:03 (4,359 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Well yes there is that, I mean you have quite allot of pre-war (WWI, WWII, Korean, etc) stock here. I've lived in buildings that still had pipes in the walls for gas lighting. Also much of the older homes here, espeically multi-family units such as apartment buildings/co-ops were built long before electrical mod-cons. The highest demand would have been perhaps a radio, a few light blubs and maybe a fridge (if lucky). Know several older buildings in very wealthy areas of Manhattan where there is a little "cubie" built into the outside wall of the kitchen. It was where one put milk and other things requiring cold temps before fridges came along.
Not all new construction even post 1970's or 1980's had a line for electric dryers either, and that includes private homes. Natural gas is the most common fuel used here for dryers (often much cheaper than electric),and new construction often comes with such appliances. Heating is usually gas or oil for the same reasons. Ranges are gas as well. Even in a wealthy area like Manhattan Miele had a hard time moving many units. Again salespersons told me it was because of the 220v requirement. If one lives in a condo or co-op permission must be secured to *upgrade* wiring where 220v service does not exsist, and or there simply isn't enough power coming into the place period. Often that permission was withheld for various reasons. Then there was the huge cost of union electicans to do the work, not to mention possibly having to have ConEdison in as well to bring a larger feeder line from the street to the building. Older 220v Mieles: Yes there are some still around. Few if any of the 19XX and such, but lots of the 12## from what one understands. The fact they are all still sitting should tell you about the demand for 220v washing machines. |
Post# 597810 , Reply# 27   5/20/2012 at 16:35 (4,358 days old) by eddy1210 (Burnaby BC Canada)   |   | |
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You were asking about the Schulthess, I was intrigued as well and found this:
CLICK HERE TO GO TO eddy1210's LINK |
Post# 597812 , Reply# 28   5/20/2012 at 16:40 (4,358 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Post# 597822 , Reply# 29   5/20/2012 at 17:02 (4,358 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Here is a promo film about the company & gives a great insite into the machines, just look at the size of those spiders & bearings...
Swiss made, they provide home & semi-commercial machines like V-Zug , but concentrate solely on laundry & dishwashing...they also operate a large commercial interest and have a bigger dealer network abroad...Take a look!! CLICK HERE TO GO TO chestermikeuk's LINK |
Post# 597836 , Reply# 30   5/20/2012 at 18:19 (4,358 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)   |   | |
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..is an Electrolux/AEG by another name. And by association, no doubt a Zanussi in disguise. The other day I was reading an online manual for the latest AEG. The Schulthess's manual is identical. |
Post# 597844 , Reply# 31   5/20/2012 at 19:21 (4,358 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Personally prefer electric cooktops but gas for ovens. Exception would be "true" convection ovens where IIRC electic has slight advantages over gas.
Gas ranges and burners aren't exactly dirty, but can leave one's kitchen walls requiring more attention than electric IMHO. For heating you are finding more and more those AC/Heating units for new construction in NYC apartments. |
Post# 597914 , Reply# 32   5/21/2012 at 05:47 (4,357 days old) by qualin (Canada)   |   | |
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Wow... Schulthess looks like they make very high quality machines.. Shame they don't sell to the North American Market. I think that V-Zug and Schulthess would make a killing if they sold machines here. |
Post# 597959 , Reply# 33   5/21/2012 at 11:47 (4,357 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Merker is also a Swiss brand. Same machines. The BOL is a Bosch. Bosch and Siemens used to sell commercial machines in Switzerland that were similar to the Schulthess and the Merker commercial machines.
Merker homepage: CLICK HERE TO GO TO foraloysius's LINK |
Post# 598007 , Reply# 35   5/21/2012 at 14:53 (4,357 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 598166 , Reply# 36   5/22/2012 at 08:18 (4,356 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)   |   | |
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Eddy, Thanks as always for sharing your knowledge. Mike, Thank you also. Tom |
Post# 598291 , Reply# 39   5/22/2012 at 17:48 (4,356 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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I just don't get why Miele ever decided on such a dismal warranty for their US machines. Unless they never believed they would stand up here. Perhaps Miele machines in the US aren't built to the EU standard. Or maybe they didn't want to have a bunch of warranty lawsuits if they decided to pull out early.
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Post# 598300 , Reply# 40   5/22/2012 at 18:08 (4,356 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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No, not likely.
MieleUSA stocks parts for laundry and other appliances for at least fifteen years after the appliance is taken from market. Even when parts are discontiued from Germany MieleUSA still has whatever parts are sent to their warehouses. Case in point can still order some parts for my 1070 washer, but MieleUSA no longer imports parts from Germany nor will they place special orders for parts they no longer have in stock. As for leaving the USA market, Miele still offers the 30XX series (120v washer) and dryers. They just are giving upon the uber sized units. To be fair outside of North America huge sized front loaders aren't big sellers for domestic washers. Most homes just don't have the room nor see the need for such large washing machines. IIRC Bosch exported their American built large washers to Europe but that didn't last long either. |
Post# 598798 , Reply# 41   5/24/2012 at 21:15 (4,354 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 598904 , Reply# 43   5/25/2012 at 14:01 (4,353 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)   |   | |
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Post# 599317 , Reply# 45   5/27/2012 at 18:30 (4,351 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)   |   | |
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On 30 amp 220 might be enough to run two ASKO 220 volt washers. I run two Miele's - one a W1918A and the other a W1065 off the same 20 amp 220 volt circuit in my workshop on cold water fill (so both heaters go on). The breaker doesn't ever trip. Nor does the wiring melt (it's inside rigid metal conduit so even if it melted it wouldn't cause a fire). Theoretically one should have at least 15 amps per Miele. Perhaps the 1918A uses only 110 for its heater? I don't know. But it's handy to be able to run both at once.
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