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Miele EXITS US Large Capacity Marketplace!
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Post# 597001   5/17/2012 at 07:05 (4,361 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        

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Anyone wanting a W48XX series should get one now!

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Post# 597009 , Reply# 1   5/17/2012 at 08:01 (4,361 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN)        

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Wow - didn't see that coming, especially after they just introduced the IntelliQ stuff north of the border. I wonder if this means they'll bring back the 240v machines? If they could run them off a "buddy" outlet on their electric dryer like Asko & Bosch do they'd get past the biggest hurdle most people have with them (rewiring) and they'd probably sell well...

Post# 597023 , Reply# 2   5/17/2012 at 10:01 (4,361 days old) by washmeup (scottsdale)        
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I have these machines and they are great!!! I know they are expensive but they are the best machines I have ever owned! Too bad the US market did not work out for them.

Post# 597027 , Reply# 3   5/17/2012 at 10:15 (4,361 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

The article said they would continue to sell the 24" machines and they do have a duplex outlet where one 30 dryer outlet will power the washer & dryer. The 24" machines have been available all along, but the US models are very dumbed down control & option wise.

Post# 597253 , Reply# 4   5/18/2012 at 03:16 (4,360 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

From the article:

> What happened:
>
> Expense: Certainly the economy didn't help, but selling $3,000 laundry when
> Electrolux is selling a very good set at $1,500 does not drive many sales.

I agree with this one here. When I was looking at buying an IntelliQ 200 demo set, I was quoted $4000 for the washer and dryer.

Whereas, by purchasing Huebsch, I got machines which were just as reliable for nearly $1000 less.

Even though Miele machines are some of the best in the world, they just can't compete with Alliance.

Not to mention, most every other manufacturer (despite being not as good) is cheaper by a huge margin. Even LG's TOL washer/dryer set is still $1k cheaper.

Another problem is that I have a REAL big problem spending $4k on a washer/dryer set with a 1 year warranty.

>Outdated: Laundry now is bigger with more features and offers steam settings in
>both washer and dryer. The Miele is the same machine introduced in 2004.

This isn't as important to me, but I can see the typical American consumer wanting a lot of features and capabilities for the price.

My Huebsch machines are very basic machines and have about as many features as the near BOL models from the other manufacturers, but that's good enough for me. Quality matters to me more than having a "Beach Towels" cycle. :)

>Not Stackable: All front laundry is now stackable except Miele.

I personally don't see how a 5.0 cu.ft washer and a 9 cu.ft dryer could be used in a Stackable configuration unless you are 7 ft tall or don't mind using a ladder to load the dryer.

I can see why this would have prevented Miele from penetrating the market though.

As much as I hate to say it, In North American, especially Canada, Miele isn't exactly good value for the money. Huebsch/Speed Queen has much better value for the money.

Keep in mind that compared to the American Market, Miele machines are much more expensive up here and that really sucks.

I guess I'm not too surprised I guess. The sad part is, Large Appliances isn't where people usually splurge money, unless they are rich or something. They'd rather spend that money on a big TV, a nice computer or a nice car. :)


Post# 597257 , Reply# 5   5/18/2012 at 04:06 (4,360 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
"But it has worked out for them"

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Perhaps it shows that their strategy worked, i.e. people who can afford to aspire to the Miele Brand have worked out that "Bigger isnt always Best" and that the W3000 machines @ 6kg are perfect for their present day laundry requirements for wash performance, design of use and total efficiency - job done....!!!

One needs to understand one Aspires to "Brand Miele" - I`m still aspiring, will let you know when I`m there...!!!


Post# 597266 , Reply# 6   5/18/2012 at 06:00 (4,360 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Mike, When one has a pair of V-ZUGs, might it be deduced that one has surpassed the stage of aspiring to own Mieles?

Post# 597283 , Reply# 7   5/18/2012 at 09:01 (4,360 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Nah....

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Whats in a Brand...Lol

Now if I had a Schulthess in the line up that might be different!!


Post# 597291 , Reply# 8   5/18/2012 at 09:45 (4,360 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

After seeing video's of the larger 4 series and comparing it to the 3033 that is being sold I decided that if I needed a new washer I would pick the 3033.  Even though it is smaller it seems to be built better and even at it's small size it costs more than the 4 series.  What does one make of the cost difference?

 

If they are going to continue to offer the smaller size I hope they will be the 220 Volt series.

 

Wonder if the new energy standards played any role in their plans to leave the large machine series.  They no doubt know that trying to use 35% less water than they currently do is going to be a problem.  Not worth it for them to even try. 




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Post# 597298 , Reply# 9   5/18/2012 at 10:50 (4,360 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

The 24" machines continue to be for 220 volt operation and have been available all along. I believe the larger machines were hecho en Mexico and maybe made for US consumption.

Mike, what is the story of the Schulthess? Is it even more expensive than the ZUGs? Where are they made? Thanks.


Post# 597320 , Reply# 10   5/18/2012 at 13:32 (4,360 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
30XX vs 48XX

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Most persons chose the 3033 series over the 4800 it seems because there seems to be an opinion that the former was built more as a "true Miele" from Germany than the latter. Then there was also the fact that the 48XX series was quite large, couldn't stack and for all that didn't hold *that* much more than the 3033. Suppose of one routinely laundered queen sized or above duvets and such the larger machine might have made sense, but most didn't see it that way.

Miele's other problem with the 48XX series is that it was basically a unique thing for the North American market, thus unlike their others costs cannot be spread over a worldwide market. It must have been a pain for Miele having to make a washer that can only be sold in their non-native market. Bosch tired it but moved production to the USA in order to cut costs. Miele refuses to build a plant in the USA.

Regarding 220v washers, our dealer told us that Miele no longer offers 220v machines for sale in the USA, will have to investigate.



Post# 597363 , Reply# 11   5/18/2012 at 17:43 (4,360 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

I only see the 110 volt 3X series on the USA web site so that is why I was asking.

 

If they are not going to sell the 4X series I would like them to sell the 220V machine as an option along with the 110V version.

 

You can't beat the speed of  220V and the fact that it can start with a tap cold fill and quickly heat the water, then again I almost never wash anything over 120F but 190F is there when I need it.


Post# 597365 , Reply# 12   5/18/2012 at 17:51 (4,360 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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I can tell you first hand that my Miele 4800 washer and my Miele 9800 dryer are not made in Mexico...try Czechoslavakia . You would think that paying thru the nose for these two it would have been built in Germany. Alot of the components are made in Germany and Miele makes its own electronics and motors. One thing that they claim 4 cu ft for the washer and granted it does hold alot but that's only if it's packed. Now the dryer on the other hand falls short on handling whatever size load the washer holds. The dryer is rather noisy too since it pulls alot of air thru the load but it's fast. But only fast if the load is spun at high speed. I tried using my Maytag A613 with the dryer and my gawd it took forever to dry a load.
I can understand why Miele pulled out of the US market. They certainly didn't give the US market the incredible warranty that they have in Canada for the machines. The set I have in Maine isn't being used anymore and I am thinking of selling them. Nothing wrong with them and not used more than 4 months total.


Post# 597373 , Reply# 13   5/18/2012 at 18:10 (4,360 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        

I have the T9822 gas dryer.  Did you get the revised lint screen?  That makes a lot of difference in the air sound on the inside, not so much on the outside though.


Post# 597388 , Reply# 14   5/18/2012 at 19:05 (4,360 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Miele @ 220v Washers

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That ship has sailed, and probably will not dock again on these shores.

For ages Miele stuck with the line it would *ever* offer 120v washers in the United States as 220v was vastly better on many front. However they soon learned that despite their huge price tag and quality not every Amercian home had, wanted or would install 220v service just for a washing machine. Most ever Miele dealer in NYC we have spoken with said that bit was often a deal breaker. It became more so once other brands of front loaders such as LG, Whirlpool, Samsung et al came on the USA market.

Despite recent efforts Miele is still a niche brand on these shores. While they do have some wonderful appliances, outside of the rotary ironer and a few other things they have nothing other appliance makers do not offer often for less.

Furthermore as another posteer mentioned, for the money Miele wants for it's laundry appliances they should come with more than a puny one year warranty. Especially given the really dear call out charges from Miele service.


Post# 597391 , Reply# 15   5/18/2012 at 19:08 (4,360 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

Didn't Bosch do the same thing about a year ago (exited the large FL market)?

Post# 597407 , Reply# 16   5/18/2012 at 20:49 (4,360 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Yes

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Bosch had the "Nexxt" or some such line of large unstackable frontloaders (made in their USA plant), but they were discontinued early this or last year.

IIRC the first models had problems (bearings?) that caused some machines to fail way eariler than they should, not sure how subsequent models held up.

We liked the looks and idea of the machine, even thought about purchasing one when they first came upon the scene, but cycles were limited and IIRC was another case of preprogramed wash/rinse temps via cycles. Also none of the machines had separate rinse and spin offerings.



Post# 597432 , Reply# 17   5/18/2012 at 23:49 (4,360 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)        

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The redesigned fullsized Bosches were stackable -- I looked into buying a pair late in 2010 and they would have had to be stackable to fit in the space I had. The tops were plastic, which was a bit of a surprise, and didn't look too good unstacked. Not too long after they announced production was being discontinued.

 

Their initial fullsize offerings (also sold as Siemens at Best Buy for a time) were probably the ones that didn't stack. They had a tilted drum and I vaguely remember hearing about it causing some kind of problem.

 

 


Post# 597450 , Reply# 18   5/19/2012 at 02:38 (4,359 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

I think that if I lived in Europe, I'd rather have a Miele instead of an Alliance machine..

Up here, the 3033 washer isn't all that much cheaper than the IntelliQ 100. Actually, it's slightly more.

I guess what Miele isn't taking into account is that a lot of homes have an electric dryer outlet, their machines should be flexible enough to run on 110 v sans heater or 230 volt w/ heater enabled. (Should just be a software option or something, after all, you don't need 230 volts to run the motor or the electronics.)

I think not having a factory in the US or in Canada could hurt Miele, only because they could use it as a major distribution center for North America and Mexico. Imagine all of the jobs it would create if they built machines here.

I would certainly have considered Miele if they offered a large capacity machine which was competitively priced with a small premium, a decent warranty and could run off of 230 volts.

I mean, if they came in about maybe $250-$500 more than an equivalent Huebsch/SQ set, I would have probably considered them instead. Especially if the warranty was comparable.

Besides, if Miele is supposed to be so great, why the short warranty? If the machines are supposed to last 20 years, why not have a 10 year warranty?

Just ranting a little...



Post# 597483 , Reply# 19   5/19/2012 at 08:36 (4,359 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Okay Mike I'm with Tom

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you gone and thrown another new machine at us again! Pony up! What is a Schulthess and where does it hail from and WHERE IS OUR MONEY SHOT?? And how many Kilos is it??




jon


Post# 597488 , Reply# 20   5/19/2012 at 09:02 (4,359 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

I guess that the few machines on the sales floors here must be the last 220 volt washers available. It must be mostly old housing stock like in NYC that does not have 220 volt service; can't imagine living like that. Newer housing here is much less likely to have gas lines to the laundry room, but always 220 volt electrical connections. I think builders get a break on the running of electrical service to new construction if the homes will have a certain amount of non-seasonal 220 volt appliances. The oven(s) and the dryer outlet usually get them the break.

I remember in the 60s the American Gas Assn. tried to market "Gas" communities where the houses would have builtin gas cooking and gas dryer connections as well as gas heating and cooling. Each home came with a gas yard light also. Fortunately, the building codes mandated the standard 150 amp electrical service so after the trials of gas central AC, they were able to put in electric central air.


Post# 597494 , Reply# 21   5/19/2012 at 10:06 (4,359 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)        

I have to stack my machines because they are located along the rear wall of the garage, and city ordinance requires a bollard (concrete-filled steel pipe) be located to protect appliances from a wayward car. Because the home was built in 1988, when FLs were a very small segment of the market (I guess White-Westinghouse still made them, but no other major US brands made them---one could buy Miele imports but I digress). The bollard was placed right in front of the washer space, so that the pipe would now block the door of any FL, even if on a pedestal.

If you cut down and remove the bollard, the house might not meet code inspection if you try to sell. I felt a better approach was to work with what I had, and that meant placing a laundry stack in the dryer space and using the washer space for something else (I placed a table there for folding laundry or holding laundry baskets). Not all companies then (2006) offered stackable washers/dryers, but Frigidaire did, and because they have kept their cabinet sizes to 36", a stack is only six feet tall (I am 5'11"). Electrolux is more like 39" tall, so that a stack will be 6'6". Right now, the dryer door is even with my chest, so removing clothes from dryer is very ergonomic. If I upgraded to Electrolux, the door would be higher.

Our local appliance store (Pacific Sales) has a showroom with several stacks so consumers can get a feel for whether controls and doors are at a comfortable height for them. They don't have every make and model stacked, but they do have a Frigidaire and an Electrolux stack, so you can see what 36" and 38.5" cabinets look like when stacked.

From the context of the article posted by mrb627, it appears that demand for stacking is growing due to the growth of upstairs laundry rooms. The ones I've seen in newer homes tended to be closets with enough lateral room to place the machines side by side, but the article seems to suggest that some homes feature narrower closets that require stacking.

(@gualin---no, there is no special mechanism to keep the garage pipes from freezing.....it may get down to 8 C in the winter in the garage, but not cold enough to freeze pipes---we do get light frosts 26-30F, but that won't freeze pipes).


Post# 597504 , Reply# 22   5/19/2012 at 10:48 (4,359 days old) by rockland1 ()        
Gas A/c

The mention of gas air conditioning brings back a old memory. In high school, we visited the Museum of Science & Industry. They had a gas air conditioning system on display. You looked in and saw the flames and the cool air blew out at you. It seeme a strange concept at the time.

Post# 597570 , Reply# 23   5/19/2012 at 16:49 (4,359 days old) by SeamusUK (Dover Kent UK)        
Warranty......

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Besides, if Miele is supposed to be so great, why the short warranty? If the machines are supposed to last 20 years, why not have a 10 year warranty?

They do in the UK- my service certificate expires on 13th April 2022. Also my W5740 was only £850 ($1300 odd)

Seamus


Post# 597571 , Reply# 24   5/19/2012 at 16:50 (4,359 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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My Miele dryer came with the new filter. One thing with the Miele dryer one cannot use dryer sheets in it. The wax clogs up the pores on the filter. The first time around. I had to wash the filter to get the wax off and scrubbed it gently...what a royal mess that was.

Post# 597575 , Reply# 25   5/19/2012 at 17:03 (4,359 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
New York's *Old* Housing Stock

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Well yes there is that, I mean you have quite allot of pre-war (WWI, WWII, Korean, etc) stock here. I've lived in buildings that still had pipes in the walls for gas lighting. Also much of the older homes here, espeically multi-family units such as apartment buildings/co-ops were built long before electrical mod-cons. The highest demand would have been perhaps a radio, a few light blubs and maybe a fridge (if lucky). Know several older buildings in very wealthy areas of Manhattan where there is a little "cubie" built into the outside wall of the kitchen. It was where one put milk and other things requiring cold temps before fridges came along.

Not all new construction even post 1970's or 1980's had a line for electric dryers either, and that includes private homes. Natural gas is the most common fuel used here for dryers (often much cheaper than electric),and new construction often comes with such appliances. Heating is usually gas or oil for the same reasons. Ranges are gas as well.

Even in a wealthy area like Manhattan Miele had a hard time moving many units. Again salespersons told me it was because of the 220v requirement. If one lives in a condo or co-op permission must be secured to *upgrade* wiring where 220v service does not exsist, and or there simply isn't enough power coming into the place period. Often that permission was withheld for various reasons. Then there was the huge cost of union electicans to do the work, not to mention possibly having to have ConEdison in as well to bring a larger feeder line from the street to the building.

Older 220v Mieles:

Yes there are some still around. Few if any of the 19XX and such, but lots of the 12## from what one understands. The fact they are all still sitting should tell you about the demand for 220v washing machines.


Post# 597733 , Reply# 26   5/20/2012 at 08:52 (4,358 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)        
@Laudress

Our city's building code now outlaws 220V outlets in the laundry area of newly constructed homes (my home c. 1988 predates the law and has a 220V outlet, though it's never been used). The idea was to force people to use gas dryers, rather than electric, to help the local utility defer having to build new power plants. You'll still find 220V in the kitchen, particularly for wall ovens and sometimes at the cooktop location (some just have gas and that's it). Also sometimes there will be a 220V outlet in the back yard for possible spa use. My kitchen was designed for a freestanding range, with an 110V outlet and a gas pipe behind the range, so I use a gas convection range that runs on 110V.

Post# 597810 , Reply# 27   5/20/2012 at 16:35 (4,358 days old) by eddy1210 (Burnaby BC Canada)        
Tom

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You were asking about the Schulthess, I was intrigued as well and found this:

 



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Post# 597812 , Reply# 28   5/20/2012 at 16:40 (4,358 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
Off-topic but...

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Speaking of New York... I remember that Miranda from "Sex and the City" had a 24" Miele washer and dryer in her utility room.

Alex


Post# 597822 , Reply# 29   5/20/2012 at 17:02 (4,358 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Schulthess

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Here is a promo film about the company & gives a great insite into the machines, just look at the size of those spiders & bearings...

Swiss made, they provide home & semi-commercial machines like V-Zug , but concentrate solely on laundry & dishwashing...they also operate a large commercial interest and have a bigger dealer network abroad...Take a look!!



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Post# 597836 , Reply# 30   5/20/2012 at 18:19 (4,358 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        
Schulthess dishwasher...

..is an Electrolux/AEG by another name. And by association, no doubt a Zanussi in disguise.

The other day I was reading an online manual for the latest AEG. The Schulthess's manual is identical.


Post# 597844 , Reply# 31   5/20/2012 at 19:21 (4,358 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Gas Vs Electric For Cooking

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Personally prefer electric cooktops but gas for ovens. Exception would be "true" convection ovens where IIRC electic has slight advantages over gas.

Gas ranges and burners aren't exactly dirty, but can leave one's kitchen walls requiring more attention than electric IMHO.

For heating you are finding more and more those AC/Heating units for new construction in NYC apartments.


Post# 597914 , Reply# 32   5/21/2012 at 05:47 (4,357 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

Wow... Schulthess looks like they make very high quality machines..

Shame they don't sell to the North American Market.

I think that V-Zug and Schulthess would make a killing if they sold machines here.


Post# 597959 , Reply# 33   5/21/2012 at 11:47 (4,357 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Merker is also a Swiss brand. Same machines. The BOL is a Bosch. Bosch and Siemens used to sell commercial machines in Switzerland that were similar to the Schulthess and the Merker commercial machines.

Merker homepage:


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Post# 597960 , Reply# 34   5/21/2012 at 11:48 (4,357 days old) by jerrod6 (Southeastern Pennsylvania)        
Agree with laundress

I grew up with all electric stoves and was used to them.  When I bought this house it came with all electric.  Eventually I got down to only one burner working and things going wrong.  I heard that gas cooking was more controllable and since the gas line was at the stove but not being used, I got a dual fuel range; gas cook top, electric convection oven.

 

I do like the range a lot, but have to say that gas cooking seems to be hot and messy.  You notice the heat in the summer. As soon as you turn a burner on and sit a pan over it even on low flame, you can feel heat escaping into the area around it.  Messy:  I have SS tiles on the wall and when you clean them there is this brown film coming off of them.

 

Oven works very well but is kinda strange on convection.  It blows the heat out with a fan instead of coming from underneath. You would think this would be slow but instead it is really quite fast so I  use the convection  option for a lot of things even to reheat items.

 

AC/heating.  My two previous houses had  whole house heat pumps and they worked well but we had a winter heating rate. This current house is gas heat  with  central AC.   Our electricity has been deregulated so there is no more winter heating rate so folks have to pay the full rate to heat---could never afford this anymore so I will just stick with gas heat.  Most of the time my heater only delivers heat at a temperature of 90F anyway so it is just like having a heatpump.  When it is very cold the temperature will increase to about 112F.   I would prefer hot water heat with old style radiators  but I will have to take what I have for now.


Post# 598007 , Reply# 35   5/21/2012 at 14:53 (4,357 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Miele Distributer

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My Miele salesperson indicated that they were tipped off to Miele pullout before the end of 2011. He didn't have any information as to whether the Intelli-q machines would cease to exist, but speculated that they probably would.

Malcolm


Post# 598166 , Reply# 36   5/22/2012 at 08:18 (4,356 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Eddy, Thanks as always for sharing your knowledge.

Mike, Thank you also.
Tom


Post# 598194 , Reply# 37   5/22/2012 at 10:39 (4,356 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)        

Wow, our local vacuum store is a "Miele dealer showroom" and he had been selling the washers as well as the vacuums. I don't know what kind of washer volume he'd been doing---most people don't walk into a vacuum store looking for a washer---but the fancy display he has will probably have to go. I sure hope the company built the display and that he is not out any large sum for having had it in his store. He sold not only the laundry machines but also the full line of Persil products---at prices no German would ever pay.

Post# 598267 , Reply# 38   5/22/2012 at 16:14 (4,356 days old) by Hunter (Colorado)        
I thought i was the only one...

Wow, I thought i was the only person on the planet who preferred electric stoves over gas.

I have electric convection ovens, but I also prefer electric tops...fast heat, not as adjustable as gas, no, but not bad. And no mess.

I switched to electric mid 1990s after we read a Lancet article talking about how folks with any respiratory problems at all shouldn't have gas stoves or anything with an open flame like that.

Sorry to hear that Miele is (basically) existing the North American laundry market. I'm glad I bought my Asko W6884. 220v, incoming temperature to 90C heating. I'm glad I DIDN'T buy the Miele as they are likely to be orphaned machines - how long will spare parts be available?

Of course, the thing that did it for me was a 1 year warranty. My Asko has a 3.


Post# 598291 , Reply# 39   5/22/2012 at 17:48 (4,356 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Yeah

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I just don't get why Miele ever decided on such a dismal warranty for their US machines. Unless they never believed they would stand up here. Perhaps Miele machines in the US aren't built to the EU standard. Or maybe they didn't want to have a bunch of warranty lawsuits if they decided to pull out early.

Malcolm


Post# 598300 , Reply# 40   5/22/2012 at 18:08 (4,356 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Miele "Orphaned" Machines

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No, not likely.

MieleUSA stocks parts for laundry and other appliances for at least fifteen years after the appliance is taken from market. Even when parts are discontiued from Germany MieleUSA still has whatever parts are sent to their warehouses. Case in point can still order some parts for my 1070 washer, but MieleUSA no longer imports parts from Germany nor will they place special orders for parts they no longer have in stock.

As for leaving the USA market, Miele still offers the 30XX series (120v washer) and dryers. They just are giving upon the uber sized units.

To be fair outside of North America huge sized front loaders aren't big sellers for domestic washers. Most homes just don't have the room nor see the need for such large washing machines. IIRC Bosch exported their American built large washers to Europe but that didn't last long either.



Post# 598798 , Reply# 41   5/24/2012 at 21:15 (4,354 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Little Giant

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Maybe they will enhance the voltage requirements on the Little Giant machines so they can be run on 240v and not limited to 208v.

Malcolm


Post# 598872 , Reply# 42   5/25/2012 at 10:35 (4,353 days old) by sandy16 ()        

I looked at the larger Miele models when I was shopping for a new set a few months ago. 4. Capacity but recommended load 3/4 dry laundry. I was turned off by the fiberglass outer tub (better insulation per Miele), the fact that the machine would time out of heating before hitting temp and the reverse set up. I liked the cycle options but just didn't feel like they were built as well as they should have been at the price.

I went with 24" Askos with higher voltage. 2 washers, 1 dryer. 205 degree washes if I choose and cold fill. I love Miele's 24" washers but wanted the higher wash temp option.


Post# 598904 , Reply# 43   5/25/2012 at 14:01 (4,353 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
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Sandy,

Please post a pic of your laundry setup.

Malcolm


Post# 598913 , Reply# 44   5/25/2012 at 16:14 (4,353 days old) by sandy16 ()        

I don't have an easy way to post a pic right now. Toddlers are bad for phones! They are the size of a dishwasher. From left to right it goes washer, washer dryer with a counter across the top of the 3. We did hire an electrician to add an extra outlet as the house only had one 220 in the laundry area. They are both cold water fill. I am really happy with the setup. I could have gotten by with one washer but I like being able to start one washer, start the other running and get the laundry over with.

Post# 599317 , Reply# 45   5/27/2012 at 18:30 (4,351 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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On 30 amp 220 might be enough to run two ASKO 220 volt washers. I run two Miele's - one a W1918A and the other a W1065 off the same 20 amp 220 volt circuit in my workshop on cold water fill (so both heaters go on). The breaker doesn't ever trip. Nor does the wiring melt (it's inside rigid metal conduit so even if it melted it wouldn't cause a fire). Theoretically one should have at least 15 amps per Miele. Perhaps the 1918A uses only 110 for its heater? I don't know. But it's handy to be able to run both at once.


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