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My Hotpoint-Electra is now basically a Zanussi Jetsystem
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Post# 610233   7/14/2012 at 16:39 (4,303 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        

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I have been meaning to do something like this for quite some time now & what fun i have had doing it!

So it's off with the original sump hose & in it's place is a Hoover logic sump hose.





Post# 610236 , Reply# 1   7/14/2012 at 16:51 (4,303 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
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Next up is connecting the sump hose to the outer tub & fitting the recirculation hose.

Post# 610238 , Reply# 2   7/14/2012 at 17:01 (4,303 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
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Then the other end of the recirculation hose is connected to an old pump i had going spare. The pump is not secured to the base of the machine at this stage.

Post# 610240 , Reply# 3   7/14/2012 at 17:08 (4,303 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Electra

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It's starting to come together.

Post# 610247 , Reply# 4   7/14/2012 at 17:25 (4,303 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
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I was wanting to drill the hole in the middle directly at the top of the tub under the concrete weight, but it wasn't possible because the weight was far to close to the tub which would have restricted the flow of water through the hose, so it had to be drilled slightly more to the side.

Post# 610248 , Reply# 5   7/14/2012 at 17:30 (4,303 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
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Recirculation hose with lots of silicone sealant applied to protect it from rubbing against the weight.

Post# 610250 , Reply# 6   7/14/2012 at 17:45 (4,303 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Electra

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Next up wiring the pump to the pressure switch.

Post# 610251 , Reply# 7   7/14/2012 at 18:04 (4,303 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
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I thought it would be a good idea to have the option of a Spray System on/off button so one of the original options buttons had to go. Half load - Rinse Hold or the Economy wash button, it didn't take me long to decide so it was goodbye Rinse Hold.

Post# 610254 , Reply# 8   7/14/2012 at 18:17 (4,303 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
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I came across one or two little problems along the way. When i tested it out i did not take into account the weight of the wet load pushing down on the shock absorbers, which made the sump hose rest on the base so it was out with the scissors & a chunk taken off it.

Post# 610255 , Reply# 9   7/14/2012 at 18:27 (4,303 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
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Here is the result testing it out with a boil wash. It's great to watch especially when the flow of water fills the lifters & it showers down on the washing.

Post# 610300 , Reply# 10   7/15/2012 at 01:50 (4,302 days old) by qualin (Canada)        

Why don't more washer manufacturers do this?

I think this is a great modification.


Post# 610320 , Reply# 11   7/15/2012 at 05:01 (4,302 days old) by nrones ()        
Wonderful :)

You did faaar better than me :P

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Post# 610323 , Reply# 12   7/15/2012 at 06:11 (4,302 days old) by fido ()        
Silicone

Having tried to repair holes in tubs with silicone I can tell you that it does not work long term. Something like epoxy putty is a more reliable solution. The Jetsystem is mainly intended as a way of getting away with lower water levels but personally I would rather use a bit more water and be sure of clean clothes.

Post# 610370 , Reply# 13   7/15/2012 at 12:38 (4,302 days old) by bertrum ()        

Well done for making the modification. The Zanussi jet system machines have the jet system spraying through the door seal opening.
Why not try adapting the current door seal to allow for the jet system, got to be easier than drilling holes in the drum?.


Post# 610371 , Reply# 14   7/15/2012 at 12:46 (4,302 days old) by dyson2drums (United Kingdom)        

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Well done! :) Looks great, thank you for the video. I like how you have the option to turn it off using the rinse hold button. Must be fun to watch, I like the shower spray on my LG steam washing machine, don't know if it helps in the washing performance but it does help with dissolving the detergent quickly.

Post# 610385 , Reply# 15   7/15/2012 at 15:34 (4,302 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
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Thanks for your comments.

I did think about having it spraying out directly out through the top of the door seal, that would of been really great but i couldn't think of what i could possibly use as a jet & how to make it 100% water tight, i will try & think of other ways of doing it because it can be easily modified & as for the washing performance i don't think it makes that much of a difference but like you say it is fun to watch. The washing power is definitely used a lot better with zero percent wastage.


Post# 610395 , Reply# 16   7/15/2012 at 16:11 (4,302 days old) by FL1012 ()        
Well Done!

Looks great, i'm sure it makes good viewing.

Must be remembered that whilst newer Jetsystems (from the mid 1990s approx) had the water entering the drum via the door seal, the original Jetsystems of the 80s & early 90s had water spraying in via the top of the drum, just like here. Good work i say!

Liam


Post# 610405 , Reply# 17   7/15/2012 at 16:47 (4,302 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        
Electra

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We used to have a Zanussi FJ1296 1200 spin machine that sprayed from the door seal & i can remember the model before it that looked & performed very much the same but that washer sprayed from the top of the drum. The one thing that i have noticed since i have modified this washer is that the washing is coming out of the machine feeling far better conditioned & with a lot less creasing.

Post# 610473 , Reply# 18   7/16/2012 at 05:04 (4,301 days old) by SuperElectronic (London, UK)        
Smaller scale modification...

Whilst the Jetsystem Electrapoint is no doubt an impressive bit of home engineering, I'm wondering if anyone has any advice on a much smaller modification I'd like to make to my Hotpoint of the same vintage.

 

The problem is the pump is very noisy and causes a sonic boom that resonates through the house. I don't think it requires replacement as such, but could it be re-mounted so it didn't make the cabinet vibrate as much? I was thinking of putting a couple of thick rubber washers between the pump and base but am not sure what sort of fixing there is (despite peering at those pics above), or even if that would be effective. The machine is already muffled by being on carpet in case anyone thinks of that.

 

Hauling the machine out across carpet tiles it quite a performance in itself so if I'm on a hiding to nothing with this idea I'd rather know beforehand!

 

Thanks in advance...


Post# 610679 , Reply# 19   7/17/2012 at 06:38 (4,300 days old) by fido ()        

You would be best to just fit a new pump as they are not expensive. You don't even need to buy the whole pump, just the motor part, which is a universal type. You can probably find an exact replacement for yours on Ebay but if not you can fit one that takes individual spade terminals instead of the small square plug.

Post# 611421 , Reply# 20   7/21/2012 at 05:09 (4,296 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        

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Al

We had great success a couple of years ago fitting an 18 series pump to the WM64 replacing its noisy magnetic pump for a shaded pole version which is virtually super silent to run compared to its original.

Mounting on rubber washers is a good idea IMO others may disagree but one thing is for sure the new 18 series pump will almost certainly need to be mounted by drilling new holes in the base of the machine as the original holes wont match up. Simple affair to achieve with a small drill bit.

Fit pump to sump hose on machine and line up so the sump hose sits naturally then position pump in general area of old pump so sump hose is not kinked or obstructed and simply drill the new holes using the pump as a template.

Next bit is the tricky part, you may need to remove or cut the machines pump connection wires and fit spade terminals which is just a simple case of going to Maplins and buying spades, thse are then crimped onto the wires and your good to go. Usually only 2 wires and it makes no odds which way round on the pump they go IIRC.

18 series pumps can usually be sourced on Fleapay for around £5 or so think we bought ours in bulk (10 for £30 IIRC) and have been brilliant.





Post# 611422 , Reply# 21   7/21/2012 at 05:33 (4,296 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        

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Criag great modification although I would be tempted to tune down the water level the machine uses so you get a really vigourous wash in really concentrated sudz.

As far as the door boot jet is concerned yes it gives more spray and splash action I wonder if a yellow "Fan" sprayer from a Zanussi Jetsystem could be used to make it watertight I daresay a small hole to fit it and jubillee clipped it would work. The hole you made in the outer tub at the top could be bunged with a rubber bung so you have the option of using both as your mood takes you.

I would of suggested the green Hoover Quattro jet nozzle but they seem puny in comparison and the one on Mum's Quattro never did seem to do much to wet the load.

Maybe the Earlier Candy Activa jet which sprays a fan of water could be an option too. That seemed effective but really does whip up sudz.

Il have to say it though I could never do what you have done LOL Original IS best LOLOLOLOL...........


Post# 611427 , Reply# 22   7/21/2012 at 07:09 (4,296 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        

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Rob

I'm more than happy really with the way it is now & i kind of like the suspense of watching it hoping that the drum will stop with the lifter towards the top filling it with water & showering it down on the load (which it does do very often) as for reducing the water level (great minds think alike) that is the next thing on my to do list.
ps I want those lovely "classic Hotpoints" on show in my kitchen.


Post# 617023 , Reply# 23   8/14/2012 at 14:04 (4,272 days old) by HotpointFan (United Kingdom)        
Rob

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Lovely Hotpoints! One assumes they were the subject of the last wash in post :)

On another note, I recognise that kettle design. My grandma has the traditional version of that, with the matching toaster and chip fryer & tin opener!

Jacob


Post# 623476 , Reply# 24   9/8/2012 at 19:12 (4,247 days old) by Rolls_rapide (.)        
If I remember correctly...

The Zanussi machines of the 1980s were supposed to spray the load with water and periodically spin-wash.

I always had the impression from the brochures, that the heater was in a tank at floor level, beside the filter, and that the wash solution was pumped up through the top of the tub, down through the drum, into the laundry. The machine would then spin the suds out, back to the heater/filter tank, to be pumped back up again.

Brochures, in my experience, always tell some form of lies. Never the whole truth. Sometimes diagrams are doctored, other times photos depict machines which never make it to the shop floors in that particular guise.


Post# 623480 , Reply# 25   9/8/2012 at 19:59 (4,247 days old) by optima (Cumbria England)        

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Well it's basically what i've done to my machine but with a lower wash water content & with the spin wash which is a total waste of time. The only one advantage of the Electrolux Jetsystem is that 100% of the detergent is being used when placed in the soap drawer, because the wash water is constantly pumped back onto the load. The thing i like about my machine is that it uses a lot more water to wash the clothes which gives a far better wash result.

Post# 623529 , Reply# 26   9/9/2012 at 03:03 (4,246 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Rolls, you're Definately right about the heater in a separate chamber at the base of the machine.

I have a picture of one of those in one of my Haynes manuals. Not the case on the first split panel machines like the fj1033 like I had which went back to being in the drum.

I love a good recirculatory jet. I think it is a great feature to have.

Darren



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