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Front loader with COLD and HOT fill |
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Post# 627242   9/24/2012 at 06:41 (4,232 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)   |   | |
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Hello people!
I would like to ask you what are your experiences with European front loaders with both, cold & hot fill. Probably the Britains are the ones who can help me the most. My uncle and aunt just bought a gorenje washer that get connected to cold and hot water and I would like to know if there are some differences in washing performance. I have mainly in mind some stains that can get set in with warm water. I know that this kind of washers mixes only a part of hot water, that get then gradually heated up to a hot temperature. Please tell me your opinions and thoughts. Thank you in advance :) Ingemar |
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Post# 627317 , Reply# 8   9/24/2012 at 14:31 (4,231 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Is by no means universally true.
When dealing with blood stained items commercial laundries long have started with warm or even hot water combined with alkali to shift, a system that works quite well. Tap cold water can be anything from 85F to below,and water that is too cold will surely set stains just as hot will. Blood for instance congels at cooler temps which makes it harder to remove. |
Post# 627329 , Reply# 9   9/24/2012 at 16:37 (4,231 days old) by logixx (Germany)   |   | |
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Mine is a hot and cold fill. It'll start filling with cold and then switch over to hot. Hot and cold filling alternates to get to a starting temp of, I suppose, 40C. No problems with stains setting so far. Hot comes on even for a warm wash but not for gentle cycles.
At my old place, the water heater was in the next room and it would take approx. two liters to purge to cold line. This was only a problem when washing a very small load, where the initial cold fill was almost enough to saturate the load. This new place does have solar water heating but only cold water in the laundry room. Some time, I'll have to ask my landlord, if I can hook up an extension hose to the laundry sink in the next room (next to the laundry room) to get hot water to the washer. I miss the hot/cold fill. Alex Cycle overview |
Post# 627339 , Reply# 11   9/24/2012 at 17:06 (4,231 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)   |   | |
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They have rebuild the house and now they have a heat pump for heating and for hot water, that's why they bought a washer with double fill.
I personally wouldn't have done this, because the water used by modern front loaders are in fact little and I prefer a standard profile wash. Thank you guys for your comments :) |
Post# 627508 , Reply# 14   9/25/2012 at 14:10 (4,230 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)   |   | |
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@PassatDoc - "It can't be that hard to build a machine with two soap dispensers ..."
Indeed it is not hard, and as you already know all European machines are made this way. Maybe American domestic front loaders don't procede automaticaly from prewash to main wash because you are not used to do a prewash and this is just a rare option. (in fact doing a prewash is becoming rare also here) Or maybe it is a separate cycle so you can use it in combination with whatever main cycle. Here in Slovenia electricity is quite cheap and we use it also to cook (inductions or high lights) but if you already have an alternative cheaper option to heat the water (solar, heat pump ...) than may have sense to use it also for the washing machine and the dishwasher. |
Post# 627842 , Reply# 19   9/27/2012 at 02:08 (4,229 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)   |   | |
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...but unfortunately, have no way of closing off our upstairs (though shut rooms) and have a pitched 15' ceiling height in 2/3 of our downstairs...meaning we heat about 75% more air than we need.
We also only heat from 5.30-7.30 am and from 5.00-10.30pm during the week. Our gas bill alone for the 3 months over winter, noting outside temperatures of around -6c to +4c over night was in excess of $1200....then you can add in the electricity on top of about $600... ...so $1800 to heat the living part of the house + the study to 19c - part of the day. Oh, and the way the USD is at the moment, that's nearly USD$1900. Rupunzel, how big is your house? 50 squares is equivalent to about 410 sqm - that's ENORMOUS. |
Post# 627852 , Reply# 20   9/27/2012 at 04:46 (4,229 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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For fast laundry days would be a decent sized front loader *and* one of those vintage water heaters that gave 180F out of the taps. Long as it was located near enough to the washer there wouldn't be that much loss of water temp due to travel.
One could run a "whites" or such cycle as commercial laundries do here; warm pre-wash (with detergent) followed by a hot (and I do mean hot) wash, then several rinses. |
Post# 627858 , Reply# 22   9/27/2012 at 05:29 (4,229 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)   |   | |
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My appartment has 50 square meters. My gas bill for heating and hot water reaches 90 EUR in january and february when the lowest temperature can be -15°C. I heat my appartment to 20 or 19°C.
Gas bills for heating & hot water: January - 92 EUR February - 89 EUR March - 31 EUR April - 16 EUR May - 8 EUR June - 5 EUR July - 4 EUR August - 3 EUR September- 18 EUR October - 25 EUR November - 38 EUR December - 47 EUR My electricity bill is 17 or 18 EUR every month. (cooking hob, oven, dishwasher, fridge, vintage washer, dryer, and everything else ... except air conditioner.) |
Post# 627866 , Reply# 24   9/27/2012 at 07:15 (4,229 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)   |   | |
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@ fido - heating with Diesel oil is more expensive than gas, also here in Slovenia. But the most expensive is for those living in older blocks of flats that are conected to the municipal heating plant because in this case you have less autonomy than if you have your own heating system.
I pay cca. 380 EUR a year for heating and hot water, which is definitely not bad. But I am single and my appartment have 50 square meters. Obviously I would pay more in a bigger appartment or house or in a bigger household. |
Post# 631335 , Reply# 27   10/13/2012 at 16:08 (4,212 days old) by spinspeed (Far North New South Wales Australia (originally London UK))   |   | |
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I have to say cold fill is the best. I just got 10kg LG truesteam washer and was really surprised to see it was hot and cold fill. However, it doesn't seem to take any hot water in. I suspect it will only do that when a really hot wash ie 60c or above is selected. It uses such a small amount of water for the wash that by the time the water level is reached water from the hot tank mounted on the roof would still not have reached the laundry room in the basement.
I am sure that blood sets in warm water and I was always told to wash blood stains in cold water first. Well that's what my mum always said. |
Post# 631446 , Reply# 28   10/14/2012 at 04:20 (4,212 days old) by donprohel (I live in Munich - Germany, but I am Italian)   |   | |
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Just curious, but how do you pay your utilities? I mean: methane + fixed costs + hot water (shouldn't this be included in the methane bills?) + etc. How does that work? |