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Speed Queen gas dryer help please
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Post# 631236   10/13/2012 at 08:27 (4,212 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Hi all, my speed queen gas dryer just stopped igniting, the ignitor goes red, of course gas tap is open.

The dryer gas valve does not open....so no flame or any gas not ignited.

It just makes a weird thing, when I turn it on while gas tap is closed and after the ignitor went red and then cooled down and I open the gas tap it start releasing gas in the drum.....and does not stop until I stop the unit!
Also if I leave it about 30 minutes still and then I start it again the flame goes lighted  at first "attempt"  and stay so for about 3 minutes then it  shut off and never goes lighted even if ingnitor keeps going red.....

What could be?

Thanks





Post# 631237 , Reply# 1   10/13/2012 at 08:43 (4,212 days old) by CleanteamofNY ((Monroe, New York)        

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I never worked on speed queens but most likely the gas valve went bad, very cheap and easy to replace!


Post# 631240 , Reply# 2   10/13/2012 at 08:48 (4,212 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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There could be several things......

a timer issue......

or the gas valve itself is not functioning......

you may have to investigate more as to the cause.......

does the gas still pour in even if the unit is unplugged, that would be cause for a bad gas valve......or like a washers water valve, something could be stopping it from closing, even unplugged, the water would still flow...

or test the contacts at the gas valve, is the timer sending down the current when needed after the igniter has reached the red glow?

my one experience was intermitant flame......all caused by a solenoid on the gas valve....using a screwdriver pushed against the solenoid to twist it, the flame burns, let go, and the flame stops......2 new solenoids cost about 30.00, and back in action ever since......

let us know how you make out....


Post# 631243 , Reply# 3   10/13/2012 at 08:58 (4,212 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Hi Martin thanks, no the gas just does not flow I would smell the odor from the vent, when I turn it on the ignitor goes red but no gas valve opens.... But another weird thing is that if I turn dryer  on with the gas tap closed and then I suddenly open it  I can hear a shhhh sound  from the burner and gas smell from the vent and drum,  but  if I shut off the unit gas  valve also shut off as well...
If I restart the dryer no gas gets ignited of course....
"is the timer sending down the current when needed after the igniter has reached the red glow?" Eheh, good question this one,  how can I understand it, where do I have to check? Exactly? Anyway I think it does  maybe not always as when I turn it on after I reset it and it remained still for a while gas goes ignited and works as it should just for 3 minutes and then gas  shut off with ignitor keeping going red....
Just do not know where to start to look at......I'm not used with gas dryers....

Thanks Martin




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Post# 631244 , Reply# 4   10/13/2012 at 09:00 (4,212 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        
Thanks Larry!

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If so I  will have to learn where it goes and how!  I never worked in gas dryers so I do not even know where to start.

Thanks


Post# 631262 , Reply# 5   10/13/2012 at 10:46 (4,212 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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I found this webpage but did not understand many things, especially this part:

Checking the Gas Valve.

This is done if you have established that the Ignitor Coil is coming on but the Burner is not firing up. A malfunction in the Gas Valve usually occurs when the Solenoid Coils that open the flow of Gas in the Gas Valve get weak and burn out. The Solenoid Coils are located on the top of the Gas Valve. After testing the Coils and establishing that they are good there is no need to check the Gas Valve any further. So lets go ahead and test the coils.

In order to test the Gas Valve coils you will need your Multi-Meter. Disconnect the wires that are connected to the two coils. With your meter set on the resistance setting check the coils for the following readings.

  • Between 1 and 2 your meter reading should be about 1365 Ohm +/- 25 Ohm.
  • Between 1 and 3 your meter reading should be about 560 Ohm +/-25 Ohm.
  • Between 4 and 5 your meter reading should be about 1220 Ohm +/- 50 Ohm.
What is a Multi meter? What is a Ohm? Did not understand what I would have to do also.....someone do understand something and can explain me?
Thanks


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Post# 631302 , Reply# 6   10/13/2012 at 14:24 (4,212 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        
More info......

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Okay I'm doing some continuous  attempts trying to get more info,  it was asked if it might be a pressure issue?
We've recently changed the gas piping that goes to my stove and dryer, we changed the rubber gas hoses that were became old.... the  main copper  pipe giving gas to the dryer and stove hose became a little bent due to new layout of kitchen,  but did not notice any difference of reduced gas flow or size nor in the dryer flame and stove....
It just makes me wonder the fact that initially, at the start of cycle ignitor goes red glow, but no gas is lighted, then the igniter keeps going red every 30 seconds (without lighting anything),  then if I turn off the gas tap and I let pass one time of ignitor lighting attempt with tap turned off and suddenly at the second attempt while ignitor is becoming red I open the gas tap the gas become lighted and it burns for about 5 minutes, then it shut off, and it does not get lighted anymore....
It is also happened that the burner didn't light properly , it once lighted at the beginning of the burner asembly tube with a very weaker flame......

Hopefully that it is a thing I could cheaply fix, also in case are coils to be changed there is always the problem of the voltage, i'd need 220-240 working ones and honestly I do not even know where to look for them....
I should ask to some Speed Queen dealers but I'm sure they would charge crazy costs and also push to make the repair theirselves...




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Post# 631319 , Reply# 7   10/13/2012 at 15:18 (4,212 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Just took a video......

 

The video starts with me turning the dryer on, first ligting attempt went bad as usual, all the shacking you can see at 0:35 it's me going to close the gas tap, then at 1:11 I let stand the camera inside the cabinet waiting for ignitor to light and get red and so me going to open the gas tap, then as you can  see the burner did again what I mentioned before, it just get a small gas flow at the beginning of burner assembly so I have immediately shut off the dryer, I took another video then showing again the gas tap trick which had success this time......and lasted lighted on  for 5 minutes, then as always it shut off.....

Thanks



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Post# 631320 , Reply# 8   10/13/2012 at 15:22 (4,212 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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This is the other video:
At 0.48 it's me going to open the gas tap and then flame goes lighted  will stay so for 5 minutes, then it shut off....and will never go lighted again, until I make the gas tap trick again....



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Post# 631459 , Reply# 9   10/14/2012 at 06:42 (4,212 days old) by retro-man (- boston,ma)        

A suggestion on something to look at is since you just moved the dryer to redo the gas line and had to hook the exhaust back up, is there anything blocking the airflow to the outside? If the machine does not have adequate ventilation it will not allow the gas to ignite if only for a few moments or not at all. You should also never use that plastic white exhaust pipe on a gas dryer. If this is not the issue it sounds like the gas valve has gone bad and needs to be replaced.
Jon


Post# 631465 , Reply# 10   10/14/2012 at 07:45 (4,211 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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I checked the contacts and the dryer send current to coils after ignitor get red, I didn't understand how this Multi  Meter works, but, hopefully it is a coils issue I wil try to change them, do you maybe know if there is difference from 120 volt coils or 220 volt?
Would the 120 work the same with the 220 voltage?
I found a  cheap couple of them on ebay.....

Hopefully that it will be what will work for us.....


Thanks


Post# 631546 , Reply# 11   10/14/2012 at 14:49 (4,211 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        
Hi Jon, Thanks for input!

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Hi Jon, it's gas  piping is brand new it just have a few weeks, except for the copper  gas pipe bringing gas to the room  which unfortunately is very hidden back behind kitchen furnitures so it is ver hard to reach for a change so I just hope it is the coils that went, I would need to move all the kitchen furnitures and wait for a plumber to come....and pay good money.

 I can just reach the copper pipe elbow and noticed that during the last works in the kitchen hand  bending it  they made it's circonference in the elbow tighter further... it could be a possible cause also..... it is 2 weeks that I've made these changes and no problems till yesterday... as for the vent hose  is brand new,and also vent hood is new, nothning is blocking the airflow as I can feel a good amount of air getting out of the vent and also this morning I tried to dry a load with the gas tap trick and I can see a good amount of steam going out the vent.....so is vented as it should....
About the plastic hose, well I knew some people says it is a fire hazard but it is because of the lint  as least this is what I've heard  and since my dryer is checked very often and I have it's vent always under control and  is very short I think this kind of  hose would work anyway....
I have  also thought about the gas pressure and flow as I mentioned.....speaking with my neighbors they said they all noticed that gas pressure in these  days is less than before and gas stoves burner burns slower......
May be that my possible limited gas flow of the gas pipe elbow and the decreased gas pressure of these days is the cause.....may be?  as said my stove does not show any signs of this decreased pressure I can keep all the four burners lighted with no problems.... but maybe it's me that I don't recognize it being new and still not knowing it well....
This may be another thing confirming this theory but also just a case..... my sister just told me she tried to run it yesterday   night at very late and she said the gas ignited for three times itself, than anymore, she said the burner turned off every 5 minutes or so, had about 2 mins without flame and then  would get re-ignited and so on....should the gas always stay lighted during cycle in a Speed Queen? I've read it could change from dryer to dryer.....never seen how it always did as i never had the need....anyway the fact that last night it lighted itself may be because the gas being night had a little more pressure in that time slot.....
but it may be not......how would you judge the gas flame you can see in the second video, does look a normal natural gas flame for a dryer? Or it looks weak? Oh another thing I've notice is that it use to produce a whistle while gas is ignited i've never heard before.....
Thanks

 


Post# 631615 , Reply# 12   10/14/2012 at 20:09 (4,211 days old) by Iowegian ()        

I don't have any dryer diagnostic advice, but:

You should never use copper tubing or piping to distribute fuel gas.


Post# 631762 , Reply# 13   10/15/2012 at 05:59 (4,211 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        
Copper piping.....

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Can I ask why?
I have a copper pipe installed bringing gas to the room then it give gas to stove and dryer with a three way and flexible  rubber coated hoses going to stove and dryer, the copper pipe was installed time ago, probably early 80s,  when they did build the condo,  this is what came in my house, also, most of the domestic gas piping you can see over here are made out of copper...
This is what Italian laws says to use for fix  gas piping and this is what plumbers use when they have to make a  law certified gas plant.....
So wondering why it should not be used.....


Post# 631763 , Reply# 14   10/15/2012 at 06:13 (4,211 days old) by retro-man (- boston,ma)        

Actually now that you mentioned it, i noticed in the second video that the flame was not all that large and you had a lot of yellow in the flame. normally its all blue and you would have a larger flame and a lot of noise from the blower sucking it through the dryer.
Jon


Post# 631765 , Reply# 15   10/15/2012 at 06:16 (4,211 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK)        
Copper piping for gas.

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Is the norm for us europeans :) I think its only in the USA that you have to use that weird threaded iron pipe and after seeing a plumber do some gas work over there I am convinced that copper is a darn site easier IMHO of course :)

Austin


Post# 631833 , Reply# 16   10/15/2012 at 12:43 (4,210 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        
Got some news....

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Hi All, yes it was my doubt it's flame  was weak and it confirmed being so,  as watching some  SQ videos on youtube I could see larger flames.
The news is this, today after coming home I put myself back at troubleshooting the dryer, I tried yet another time to let  it run and with my big surprise it lighted up at first time and produced a very large blue flame, being almost the same circonference of the burner cone like it should be I guess , you could hear the flame noise being sucked as  Jon describes...

It contunued to light up and shut off every 5 minutes or so for 4 times, till it stopped even if ignitor was keeping going red.....

So it means that is not gas pressure the issue  as gas had neough pressure, so it 's something else...

So very likely is a coil issue (maybe not opening as they should because they got weak) at least I deeply hope so,  gas shutting off prematurely or not lighting is a sign of bad coild valves as I've I've learned so maybe it is also for gas pressure....
And the gas trick someway allows valves to work a little  even if not as they should.

I'm at work trying to unscrew the coils holder to check coils inside and eventually part number to find out if the ones I already found would work, unfortunately a bolt got stuck so I just hope the PB blaster I have sprayed will work, will wait for it to penetrate....
I hope that it will result "just" in a coil issue rather than a more serious issue like timer issue, I checked contacts with a current tester, and looks like the contacts work and current is sent...
If it will be the timer...well it's going to be hard...I will discover it just with the time.

Thanks all for the great help and inputs, please keep posting,  I will let you knon any news I will have about.

 

 


Post# 631850 , Reply# 17   10/15/2012 at 13:57 (4,210 days old) by fido ()        

I don't know how it works in Italy but in UK it is illegal to work on gas valves, pipes or fittings unless you are a qualified gas engineer.

Post# 631855 , Reply# 18   10/15/2012 at 14:21 (4,210 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        
What???

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Really???


So if one needs to change an hose to a stove needs to call a "qualified" plumber?   sorry but to me this sounds  so stupid....

Here every hardware can sell gas stuff to anyone, intended as piping etc.... what it takes to put a pipe to a stove or dryer???

A matter is an house plant, another is piping an appliance, work on  coils etc...

Sorry but it sounds ridicolous to me....

Anyway not sure if there such a law in Italy, honestly......I don't care!


Post# 632128 , Reply# 19   10/16/2012 at 15:19 (4,209 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Had to amputate by sawing the bolt head as it would not come off in any way, well it will  always have just one  bolt in the holder for  the coils in place, not a problem I guess, tried to read a part number but looks like the code on them is not actually a code so tried to write to speed queen and online seller to ask if (american) 120 volts  would work anyway for my model and dryer running on 220 volt...let's see and hope to fix the problem changing the coils...

Thanks


Post# 632185 , Reply# 20   10/16/2012 at 20:51 (4,209 days old) by Iowegian ()        

@Kenmoreguy89:

My understanding of the U.S. code requirements that natural gas piping be done in threaded steel or "gastite" piping are corrosion resistance, fatigue failure issues, and joint quality in concealed areas.

I think you might have a gas delivery issue rather than a problem with your dryer. If the flame is yellow, you're not getting enough gas. Either that's a burner problem or a gas delivery problem.


Post# 632240 , Reply# 21   10/17/2012 at 02:35 (4,209 days old) by fido ()        

I'm not questioning your skill to do this stuff but if inexpert people do tamper with gas equipment and this results in a leak which then results in an explosion, killing someone in the building, the UK law starts to sound a little less stupid!

Post# 632248 , Reply# 22   10/17/2012 at 04:00 (4,209 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Gas is to respected you can take out the whole building,  that said,  my Kenmore  had a bad "infrared heat sensor",  that kept shutting down the burner,  this sensor is what actuates the gas valve to "on" when the the igniter is glowing red.  be careful.   For safety turn off tthe gas to the dryer or the house until this is corrected,  our local code requires a shut off valve at every gas appliance.  Best of luck.  arthur


Post# 632275 , Reply# 23   10/17/2012 at 06:54 (4,209 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        
Byself gas conncections.....let me be clear please....

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Almost everyone I know that is able to connect a hose does it byself over here,  and would laugh at  a law (if there is here) telling they can't connect their gas appliances or extend a gas  pipe theirself....of course gas is dangerous and would result in damages for others also, but like dangerous  would  even be an old gas heater operated and not checked for awhile,   that would make no that  sense to put a law avoiding every work on gas, rather  that would be personal  good sense to call a plumber if you don't know what you're doing or have doubts about....this is my thought and prohibiting  to anyone to do that byself if  he does have  personal skills (not wrote  on  a piece of paper) is not fair nor have sense for me.
It does not take so much, I mean using teflon metal clamps   and then  eventually leak finder sprays, or the good and old method of dish soap and bubbles......
If one is that idiot to do a job without knowing what he is doing, well, I would not let in his hands even a gas stove as probably would mess with it or at worse leave gas open etc..... 
If there would be such a law I know countless people including my father that until last month used to connect gas cylinders byself (now he got an underground tank) that would get a  large penality but nobody would bother him.....but he is still connecting evrything byself including gas plants into farm he is restructuring....he does not care as well of laws as most  of them are stupid in Italy.
Since Italy is homeland of stupid laws especially ones about jobplace safety it probably there is a law saying this, I can just tell you that working into a precious metal delaer and gold  furnace we'd need to call a plumber everytime we have to change a cylinder, a thing we of course do ourselves!
Nobody ever complained or stated we can't, rather we would laugh so much at it as every man a little skilled into these connection things.....
Another matter would be a whole gas plant as said that would probably take a qualified plumber in most cases not certainly working on a stove, dryer, heater etc....connection, coils etc... that is still ridicule to me...
Said this yes gas supply to dryer has been closed  as me "unqualified" guy  included a tap going to dryer, of course in case of problems to dryer I would stay be without gas going to stove, how would I cook?
About a gas delivery issue,  as you can read I thought it could be that, but since I noticed  that until coils are "cool" so after a long pause  the dryer works as it should and flame is okay and big enough and burner cone was clear without any sign of blacks marks ( I've read which are typical residues of yellow/orange flames), so it means that my dryer worked fine even if that  copper  pipe which is anchored to the wall got bent during last  works  in the kitchen , so should be not a supply issue at this point.... I believe enough gas pass through and passed ... I think at least hope it is a problem of coils, I also recently read online a story almost identical to mine and the guy solved it with a coil change, probably the boosting coil  got weak and does not open as it should....it was the thing happened to this guy.

Ignitor sensor works fine as I can hear the "clunk" when it open the valve,  so mean ignitor sensor recognize the heat of ignitor  and so current is sent (verified it with a current tester)....
Just do not sure why it shuts off, likely is that holding and  boosting coil... I can hear a clunk when it goes off after awhile the flame actually stopped burning,  and I suppose it is the sensor which not feeling heat anymore send signal to  the security valve to shut off....so I suppose everything works as it should....
I will try to change these coils, I've contacted Speed Queen and they said that the coils I need are the same used for models running on 120 volt so there is no difference, and already order a coil kit on ebay, 9.99$ and 4.50$ is a reasonable price, on repai clinic only one costed 20 bucks! So it is a deal, maybe not original parts but would do their job anyway...
For now I thank you all again and I'll let you know how it ends!

freddy

 


Post# 638495 , Reply# 24   11/12/2012 at 11:58 (4,182 days old) by kenmoreguy89 (Valenza Piemonte, Italy- Soon to be US immigrant.)        

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Hi all! Coils finally arrived! Replaced them and now works again  like a charm! Thanks to all for the great advices, commenting and supporting!Freddy



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