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Thread Number: 43043
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Post# 633185 , Reply# 1 10/21/2012 at 06:02 (4,210 days old) by logixx  (Germany) |
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| Post# 633189 , Reply# 2 10/21/2012 at 06:23 (4,210 days old) by servisslimline (England, Brighton & Hove) | ||
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| Post# 633228 , Reply# 3 10/21/2012 at 11:22 (4,210 days old) by robliverpool (england Liverpool) | ||
I personally think that the cold fill washing machines are and never have been eco friendly. I think it was a way the companies could save and extra few quid on the build of the machines, if they saved 3 pound on a water valve (dunno how much they cost to make) and they produce a million machines its doesnt take a genius to work out how much the big companies have saved.
Since cold fill machine have been out the past ten years I have seen machine after machine with mouldy door seals gunked up soap drawer dispensers. I have a solar panel on my roof producing hot water and it could be used i the washer and save having to heat the water from cold. I personally think they should have a choice of machines and let us the consumer choose for ourselves. Rant over lol I dont wanna spark off a war | ||
| Post# 633242 , Reply# 4 10/21/2012 at 13:15 (4,210 days old) by optima (Cumbria England) | ||
Cold fill | ||
| Post# 633246 , Reply# 5 10/21/2012 at 13:46 (4,210 days old) by servisslimline (England, Brighton & Hove) | ||
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cold fill
must say hot fill does definitely keep detergent drawers clean, all the machines ive owned have been hot fill apart from the beko and they've stayed clean, but when i had the beko, about every 2-3 washes id look in the drawer and find black mould accumulating on it, not to mention when i first got it after it being delivered for me to look after, the drawer was completely covered in mould, there was hardly a hint of the white plastic showing, despite the owner using 60c washes!, bring hot fill back for gods sake!!, cold fill is discusting
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| Post# 633252 , Reply# 6 10/21/2012 at 14:17 (4,210 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom) | ||
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the reason cold fil was introduced, was to releave or preven strain on your boiler and pipes, no idea if thats true. | ||
| Post# 633256 , Reply# 7 10/21/2012 at 14:39 (4,210 days old) by optima (Cumbria England) | ||
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It has nothing to do with any strain on hot water systems, it's that modern machines use less water. I still think people should have the choice to choose between hot & cold or cold fill only washers. People have different ways of heating hot water, ie range cookers that heat the water & the central heating that have plenty of hot water to use up.
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| Post# 633271 , Reply# 9 10/21/2012 at 15:25 (4,210 days old) by servisslimline (England, Brighton & Hove) | ||
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who makes it | ||
| Post# 633273 , Reply# 10 10/21/2012 at 15:33 (4,210 days old) by paulinroyton (B) | ||
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Hot Fill Machines www.iseappliances.co.uk/products/... | ||
| Post# 633274 , Reply# 11 10/21/2012 at 15:35 (4,210 days old) by paulinroyton (B) | ||
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WhiteGoods Web Site shop.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/NewPLUSMA... | ||
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Post# 633275 , Reply# 12 10/21/2012 at 15:38 (4,210 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 633281 , Reply# 13 10/21/2012 at 16:17 (4,210 days old) by optima (Cumbria England) | ||
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Post# 633291 , Reply# 14 10/21/2012 at 16:45 (4,210 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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I'm with Foraloysius
My combi boiler is upstairs and I have to waste at least 8 litres of water before it reaches the tap so I will stick with cold fill although my washer has the choice it has both valves fitted and you select in the programming if you want to use hot or not. My washer also has 2 heaters in it so does not take long to get to temp.Along with only using cold I have yet to clean the soap drawer as never see any mould build up nor do I have any mould on the door seal.
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| Post# 633305 , Reply# 15 10/21/2012 at 18:11 (4,209 days old) by aegokocarat (United Kingdom) | ||
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Im in agreence with Ozzie908 and Foraloysius, our last Hot+cold fill machine took ages to wash, which doesnt make sense because it was hot+cold fill, it would take 2-3 hours max to wash, our cold fill machines are quicker plus we havent had any trouble with the hot water running out. Each to thier own imo Tom | ||
| Post# 633385 , Reply# 16 10/22/2012 at 04:30 (4,209 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
In my house, gas seems to be more expensive than electric. I'd much rather have a cold fill only machine that heats itself and doesn't take any hot water off the boiler.
Also, lets not forget the old "biological" cycles on Servis washing machines that would fill with cold water and heat up gradually, allowing the bio detergent to work it's magic on stains. | ||
| Post# 633393 , Reply# 17 10/22/2012 at 06:15 (4,209 days old) by chris74 () | ||
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These iSe machines... ...are quite nice saying this just by the look of 'em... | ||
| Post# 633394 , Reply# 18 10/22/2012 at 06:22 (4,209 days old) by AquaCycle (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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These iSe machines are quite nice... | ||
| Post# 633446 , Reply# 19 10/22/2012 at 12:26 (4,209 days old) by chrisbsuk (Bristol, uk) | ||
ISE Machines....
They're rebadged Asko's - the same as my Maytag is a re-badged Asko
Since switching to this brand, I have become a real fan; especially with the 4 shock absorbers at the base of the machine v's normal suspension systems - just great Here is the machine on the Asko Website: CLICK HERE TO GO TO chrisbsuk's LINK | ||
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Post# 633448 , Reply# 20 10/22/2012 at 12:52 (4,209 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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| Post# 633631 , Reply# 21 10/23/2012 at 05:34 (4,208 days old) by chris74 () | ||
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Maybe the 20 years thing... ...is a bit exaggerated by Míele? | ||
| Post# 633657 , Reply# 22 10/23/2012 at 08:18 (4,208 days old) by chris74 () | ||
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Why are they so pricy? 1.900 bucks for the Asko, is it an US-American Míele equivalent? | ||
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Post# 633678 , Reply# 23 10/23/2012 at 10:31 (4,208 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 633698 , Reply# 24 10/23/2012 at 12:30 (4,208 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Who knows the 20 year thing is exxagerated, but they don't attack that. On ISE's website you can see the life expectancy is 8,000 cycles. They don't say Miele is exxarating their 10,000. From a marketing point of view it is interesting that they claim less cycles than their most important competitor.
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| Post# 633755 , Reply# 25 10/23/2012 at 16:37 (4,208 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom) | ||
Hot and cold fill is a waste of time on a modern machine because the hot water never reaches the machine before it stops filling.
Secondly cold water is great for stain removal and detergents work better from cold. I've owned countless machines and have never had a moldy door seal or funky dispenser. Providing you do at least one 60 deg wash with a bio powder and leave the door open, your machine should be in ship shape. Darren | ||
| Post# 633760 , Reply# 26 10/23/2012 at 16:59 (4,207 days old) by optima (Cumbria England) | ||
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Post# 633841 , Reply# 27 10/23/2012 at 22:50 (4,207 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.)) |
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To make a couple of points. Regarding cold fill only DW's and washers. All DW's Here in the USA are hot fill and our washers have both valves. Part of this is that we have 120/60/1 power which would cause insanely long heating times if the washers or DW's filled cold for a hot cycle. European machines run on 220-240/50/1 and can heat faster. Our Washers are mostly TL and do not have heaters and need water from the water heater for a warm or hot wash. Also most American homes have a 40 gallon or larger water heater which can provide for all domestic needs including laundry. On the commercial side most laundries have boilers which provide plenty of 60C plus water and steam for laundering all fabrics as well as pressing them after cleaning. In the dishroom our dishmachines fill from the water heaters and boost the temp for sanitizing using tank elements and booster heaters. These machines and their boosters use 208-240/60/1-or3 better is 460-480/60/3. WK78 | ||
| Post# 633864 , Reply# 28 10/24/2012 at 02:51 (4,207 days old) by chris74 () | ||
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I thought it has more to do with watts... ...rather than the voltage? | ||
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Post# 633916 , Reply# 30 10/24/2012 at 09:35 (4,207 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Yes, it depends on one's individual installation. All the houses I lived in had recirc pumps and a big water storage tank so hot water was always plentiful. My washer is in the basement, which is excluded from the circulation circuit. Still, it only takes two to five liters for the hot water to come through - if I don't purge the line. The dishwasher is on cold water as it needs (or prefers) cold water for the condensation drying cycle. But even with cold water coming in, the dishwasher takes it to steaming hot within ten minutes.
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