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Post# 643944   12/4/2012 at 07:01 (2,801 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        

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Looks an interesting machine, I like the spin deck, the moulded steel and the lid is a very different arrangement to ones we are used to seeing.

Apparently it only uses one motor for all functions, I did wonder as the angle of the empty hose had it been on one of the standard models it would have shot a plume of water all over the room by the force of pump!!






Post# 643963 , Reply# 1   12/4/2012 at 08:54 (2,801 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London UK)        
Russian Hoovermatic

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Wow Mike, who knew? Thanks for tracking this down.

I wonder if the design was licensed from Hoover or if they just got a machine, took it to bits, and re-assembled it in their own way. Having searched out the vid on youtube and seen some of the others it looks like it was designed so you could was the floor with suds directlt from the machine - it looks almost guaranteed for that to happen.

On the link is what I suppose is a Russian equivalent to flickr with some very interesting pictures indeed including vacuums that seem to be based on the Universal "torpedo" design and whay is almost certainly a mid 1950s Lewyt.

Oh I wish I could read and understand Russian.

And what about this, presumably earlier, Hoovermatic



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Post# 644159 , Reply# 2   12/5/2012 at 03:01 (2,801 days old) by keymatic (Surrey.U.K)        

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Hi Mike & Al,

That is a fab looking machine, liking the mint green refinements !! LOL I had a look at the other machines on that link and there is one thatr look very similar to the AEG Lavalux.
How does the wash tub empty on the lower pic machine ? do you attach a hose onto the hose at the top of the wash tub ? It doesn't look like that metal arm-bit moves..how weird.
Thanks for finding it thou..really good !!
Keith


Post# 644160 , Reply# 3   12/5/2012 at 03:14 (2,801 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Hoovermatic

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With Wringer STOP Control button....am lovin these!!


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Post# 644161 , Reply# 4   12/5/2012 at 03:16 (2,801 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Is this

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Like our Thor washer & spinner do you think?


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Post# 644162 , Reply# 5   12/5/2012 at 03:20 (2,801 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
AEG lookalike

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Keith , yes like the AEG twinny, fascinating, and a different array of colours as wee, at first with the circular lids I thought one of them was like the Goblin!


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Post# 644163 , Reply# 6   12/5/2012 at 03:24 (2,801 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
And

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An original, looks like a Maytag agi and tub with a launderette spinner, didnt Electrolux do a similar one?

Al, thanks for finding the link, a fascinating array of cultural appliances, great to see similar designs but slightly different. Yes I wonder if they are built under license, that Hoover twinny with wringer controls is the best I think, and also the colours. Havnt even got to the vacs yet!!



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Post# 644167 , Reply# 7   12/5/2012 at 04:36 (2,801 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London UK)        
Maytag

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Although I dont know much about them, only what I have seen on AW, I thought that last one looked rather like a Maytag too. And agree on the AEG - as with the HMs its rather like, almost but not quite the same.

Post# 644180 , Reply# 8   12/5/2012 at 07:52 (2,800 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
These are KOOL!

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Love that may tag spinner knockoff! I vant one ov toze!!

That Thor style machine looks like a Russian Rocket!!



Post# 644213 , Reply# 9   12/5/2012 at 11:08 (2,800 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Danger, Will Robinson!

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Take it from someone whose job has often demanded research on international websites:

If you fool around with Russian websites, you will end up with the very latest and trickiest viruses and Trojans - all the really new stuff that your virus protection can't catch yet.

It's not a question of "if," it's a question of when - and the answer is "sooner rather than later."

Russia is where much of this stuff comes from in the first place. Many Russian Web entrepreneurs have no respect for your privacy, your computer or your sanity, and if you give them any chance at all, they will prove it to you.

Ask me how I know.


Post# 644383 , Reply# 10   12/5/2012 at 23:12 (2,800 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Yes tell us how you know?

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and this poses a problem, how are we to connect with our Russian washer brethren??



Post# 644395 , Reply# 11   12/6/2012 at 01:09 (2,800 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
From Russia With Love

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What great machines, yes i must admit they bear a passing remeblance to ones from the west, its great to see a guy from Russia showing off his twin tub,I always had the feeling that Russian built stuff was generaly made out of box girders etc :-)

As Al says it is pity we dont speak Russian it would be good to talk to him about his home grown machines.

Good timing aswell from John with his Russian washing book.

A very refreshing and visually pleasing collection of machines.

Thanks Mike for starting this thread

Gary


Post# 644429 , Reply# 12   12/6/2012 at 06:12 (2,800 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Jon:

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A few years ago, while researching an article on the Narkomfin Building in Moscow, I found my computer acting funny. Virus check showed zip. Next day, the computer would not boot.

The computer shop found a couple dozen really nasty viruses and Trojans, one of which they had no way of clearing. The solution was a new hard drive, total system reload and putting my files back via my backup.

Total cost, over $300. I'm all for international brotherhood, but I also don't need that kind of hassle.

P.S.: After all that, my editor didn't use the article. That's life in the magazine biz for you.


Post# 644470 , Reply# 13   12/6/2012 at 09:09 (2,799 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Sandy the same thing

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happened to me 7 years ago at work. That time it was a customer coming in with a 3.5 floppy. I inserted the floppy and in 5 seconds the screen went black and the entire hard drive appeared to be deleted. 5,000 designs - 13 years of work I hadn't backed up gone in minutes.

Found a Russian expat up in Toronto that did recovery work. Cost $700 bucks but he was able to buy a new identical HD and physically transfer the "burnt" HD to the new electronics to retrieve the data. It was well worth the $700 bucks and now everything is backed up everynite and is also divided among two unconnected computers.

He said an interesting thing to me, I had sent him the offending floppy, his comment was; this was a highly unusual virus ( for the time) in that it had wiped clean the floppy disk as well, he said only military strength viruses do that!





Post# 644486 , Reply# 14   12/6/2012 at 09:52 (2,799 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
WOW !

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Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

SIBIR is the brand of the first and second machine. They looks just like Hoovermatics. Cool :)



Post# 644516 , Reply# 15   12/6/2012 at 11:32 (2,799 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Great stuff, MIke. Did Jon Charles movitate you for the Russ

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In the first vid, I thought maybe the guy was holding the hose up by sqeeezing the machine against the sink, lodging it in there.

 

He's so deliberate and exact in his moves. And he hoists up the items to let most of the water fall off. Do you think more water may have shot across the machine if there had been more water in the spinner, as you say, or is this something different altogether? And you, King of Twinnies, will figure it out. It's all so interesting, Thanks for so many treats.

 

Love, love, love, seeing the Maytag that Brad just restored conjoined to a spinner. What a Frankenstein hybrid, Only in Russia.Laughing

 

Have only seen the first movie. Excited to watch the rest later.


Post# 644553 , Reply# 16   12/6/2012 at 15:22 (2,799 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
From Russia...

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Hi Gary, fascinating to see machines form the other side of the world, I cant get over that Hoovermatic twinny with the wringer STOP controls, looks fab..still cant work out where the outlet pipe is though?

Jon, yes would love to see the Thor Rockett in action, assuming it is a Spin Washer?

Al, just viewed the vacs, like the luxes and those rocket like Erres machines, the little grey compact is what I would have expected to see!!

Hi Dejan, is Sibir a main established brand? or did they just badge other makes?

Mickey, doesnt jetcone jon just motivate us all!!, I did see his thread, but not quite, I was searching some links on my youtube vids and came across the vids, then Al found the pictures and voila..

Nowthen, I have yet to fathom out the pipe outlet from the first video...and also if the washer and spinner use the same motor, am assuming the spinner runs off the wash motor, the wash motor spins at 1425rpm whilst the pulsator spins at 545rpm, the sound of the spinner seems slower and quieter than ours and the pump pressure seems lower - so does the spinner only spin 1400 or even less??

Thoughts anyone?









Post# 644556 , Reply# 17   12/6/2012 at 15:50 (2,799 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Well

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On his other video we see him set up the twinny and show how the outlet hose works and connects!



Post# 644561 , Reply# 18   12/6/2012 at 15:59 (2,799 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
I love the "commercial" Russian

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script all over the machine! Its so foreign.
It looks like he has a Laundry Lab there.


Post# 644565 , Reply# 19   12/6/2012 at 16:05 (2,799 days old) by keymatic3203 (Cardiff UK)        
thoughts Mike

I agree fascinating to see something new yet familia. I've had a good look at the hoovermatic videos and photos with the wringer stop. The first observation is that you never see the washtub and spinner running at the same time, could the motor bare more resemblance to the power wringer single tubs, where the motor runs one way for the pulsator and the other for the wringer, that may explain the wringer switches of the first machine, maybe timed for wash direction and no lid switch on the spinner so spin stop instead of wringer stop? The motor could be under the wash tub as we are used to, then and a real speculation and do I dare suggest, a keymatic style belt of the back of the wash motor, turning 90 degrees over 2 idler pulleys then round the spinner drive pulley and pump. The motor would have one direction pulleys, so only one end was engaged when the motor ran in either direction, hence wash or spin.

The mark 2 version obviously has a spiner lid switch and brake, so wouldn't need the stop button, and rotary selector selects wash or spin and works the ocv style pump valve behind the scenes, the spin pump always running during spining, and either a second pump or a valve to empty the tub, as on the singletub machines where you empty the tub on wringer mode, rather than with the pulsator spraying the ceiling.

Well these are all just thoughts, would be great to see the back of, and also to have a go with a spinner with the stop button instead of a lid switch, how often do you think we'd be standing there waiting for the spinner to stop, before we remembered the stop button lol.

Thanks again for the thread and the little brain teaser, any one any other suggestions, would love to read what you think.

Mathew


Post# 644566 , Reply# 20   12/6/2012 at 16:09 (2,799 days old) by keymatic3203 (Cardiff UK)        
Just seen the

last video Mike, well if you forget to connect that drain hose, you've flooded the floor but at least the ceilings safe, unlike the 3301l.

Mathew


Post# 644568 , Reply# 21   12/6/2012 at 16:16 (2,799 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Ingemar

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can you make out the name of this machine, its on the lid. I'd love to play with this one too! Looks like

"Jetas"




Post# 644569 , Reply# 22   12/6/2012 at 16:21 (2,799 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Louis look

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a top load horizontal axis machine!!



Post# 644905 , Reply# 23   12/8/2012 at 04:53 (2,798 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Well.....

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One thing is that thay look very sturdy machines as you would expect, even the 2 dial Hoovermatic looks "sturdier" than the ones here - must be those graphics as Jon says..

Mathew, now that Hoover would be a find if indeed it did work like you explained,the spinner seems much slower to me, so 1400rpm off the washer motor would make sense and also the switch configurations, that must indeed be the prize of all twinnys to see one working, you can see where the models cross over with shells from newer models and controls from earlier units. the top one looks like it has a 3301 cabinet, how cool is that outlet pipe and yes no more flooded ceilings!!


Post# 644907 , Reply# 24   12/8/2012 at 05:04 (2,798 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
And this one....

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1989 single tub - or is it?


Post# 644908 , Reply# 25   12/8/2012 at 05:05 (2,798 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Snap On

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Your pulsator for washing and rinsing!


Post# 644909 , Reply# 26   12/8/2012 at 05:07 (2,798 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
@ Jetcone

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Hi Jetcone,

yes it is a Jetas, but from what I can see it is not Russian, but from Czechoslovakia.

(JETAS, Чехословакия, 1949г.) (JETAS, ČEHOSLOVAKIJA)

That's also why the brand is written in roman alphabeth.

Ingemar


Post# 644910 , Reply# 27   12/8/2012 at 05:07 (2,798 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Then Add...

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The drum for spinning dry!! Must be the most modern version of the Thor / Parnall Spin Washer to date!



Post# 644912 , Reply# 28   12/8/2012 at 05:19 (2,798 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Sibir

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Morning Ingemar, I meant to ask you this question, am having a complete brain melt at the moment, apologies!!

Is Sibir a main established brand? or did they just badge other makes?


Post# 644916 , Reply# 29   12/8/2012 at 05:58 (2,798 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
@ chestermikeuk

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Morning :)

You have to know that quite all of the Soviet brands were "geographical" names.

Like for example some appliances brands:

"Vyatka" washing machines (name of a river), "Minsk" refrigerators (name of a city), "Moskva" refrigerators (name of a city), "Saratov" refrigerators (name of a city), "Dnepr" vacuums (name of a river), "Riga" washing machines (name of a city) ... and so on. "Čajka" vacuums (seagull) This one is a bird, not a geographical name.

"Evrika" was also a well known brand of washing machines along with "Vyatka" in the Soviet union. But this one is not a geographical name but the legendary exclamation of Archimed (Eureka). :)

Ingemar


Post# 644917 , Reply# 30   12/8/2012 at 06:00 (2,798 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
Evrika washing machines

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Post# 644918 , Reply# 31   12/8/2012 at 06:02 (2,798 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        
Волга - Volga

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Here it is another geographical name, for a washing machine.

VOLGA - like the river Volga.


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Post# 644919 , Reply# 32   12/8/2012 at 06:07 (2,798 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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So "SIBIR" is one of the many brands popular in Soviet Union.
The one on the pictures was made under licence of Hoover, but the you can see on the video is a national design.

VYATKA washers under licence of the Italian ARISTON.



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Post# 644924 , Reply# 33   12/8/2012 at 07:15 (2,797 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Well.....

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This is the great thing about this site - the knowlege that is shared and gained here!!

Hi Ingemar, thank you for the info, didnt know that about the naming of appliances, the Vyatka Ariston twintub video is fun, loved the Hitchcock music, I was wanting to see what the inside of the washer was, Do you know if its an impellar or agitator?





Post# 644995 , Reply# 34   12/8/2012 at 10:58 (2,797 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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Hi Mike,

you're welcome! :)

The twin tub washer on the last video is a SIBIR, not a Vyatka.
It is a impeller washer.


Post# 644997 , Reply# 35   12/8/2012 at 11:06 (2,797 days old) by gorenje (Slovenia)        

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And here it is the Vyatka (Ariston)

Maybe you have already seen this video.



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Post# 645011 , Reply# 36   12/8/2012 at 12:11 (2,797 days old) by thelaundrylab (Hampshire UK)        
Question to (#Replay27) the Single Tub:

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Mike...do you know if there are any videos of the pictures you posted, ie the single tub and its changing drum & pulsator, would like to see the machine in action. Any idea's?

Cheers
Hass.


Post# 684189 , Reply# 37   6/17/2013 at 10:11 (2,606 days old) by mrx ()        
Be careful!

I've come across old Eastern European / Soviet appliances that were 'Class 0' i.e. have no grounding whatsoever and were intended to be used with isolated supplies.

Be extremely careful if you are using these, particularly in Western Europe where TN-C-S grounding systems are normal and you could end up getting a really bad shock.

If you are using them, ensure that they are connected to an outlet that's protected by an RCD (GFCI) or use a plug-in RCD.

I would recommend doing that with ALL old appliances to be perfectly honest (including those made in the US, Western Europe, Australia etc) as safety standards in the old days weren't very high and grounding was often seen as a bit optional.





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