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Thread Number: 46994
Explosive Caloric Wall Oven |
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| Post# 683839 , Reply# 3 6/14/2013 at 06:02 (3,977 days old) by statenislandgwm () | ||
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My mother.... had a BRAND NEW Magic ---- stove and the oven was making a booming noise also. The repair man told her she was lucky the thing didn't blow up as the entire oven filled with gas until the ignitor came on. | ||
Post# 683843 , Reply# 4 6/14/2013 at 06:34 (3,977 days old) by polkanut  (Wausau, WI ) |
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Post# 683849 , Reply# 5 6/14/2013 at 09:34 (3,977 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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I wonder if you could hold the doors closed and force flame out of the oven vent. That would make a good video in the style of the guys who blow up microwave ovens. | ||
| Post# 683861 , Reply# 6 6/14/2013 at 11:34 (3,977 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina) | ||
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Gas Appliances I love gas appliances and I've never heard that one!! I think I would be yoooo-hoooing the appliance repair people. | ||
| Post# 683863 , Reply# 7 6/14/2013 at 12:10 (3,977 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas) | ||
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I'll pass that on to the people who own the oven. Taking the oven out of the wall to run the wire from the igniter to the gas valve would be a bitch to do. I am sure that these ovens are not lightweight. I'll bet anything that any repair guy they call will tell them just to buy a new oven. That seems to be the way things go these days. | ||
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Post# 683900 , Reply# 8 6/14/2013 at 15:44 (3,977 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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Post# 683925 , Reply# 9 6/14/2013 at 20:28 (3,976 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Exploding Coloric Gas Wall Oven This was a very common problem with Coloric Gas wall ovens and free standing ranges with the Ultra-Ray broiler burner in the 1980s and to some extent with ALL GAS OVENS, with flat hot surface igniters. Allen does this oven have the UR burner? or a regular looking burner tube with holes punched down both sides.
The most common reason for this occurring is an old weak igniter, but as I mentioned Coloric had problems with the gas getting to the hot ignitor on the UR burners so additional adjustments needed to be made to make these ovens work properly. | ||
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Post# 683962 , Reply# 10 6/15/2013 at 07:06 (3,976 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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I wonder why she starts it at 250 and then turns the thermostat higher after the doors blow open. | ||
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Post# 683991 , Reply# 11 6/15/2013 at 13:09 (3,976 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Exploding Coloric Gas Wall Oven | ||
| Post# 683996 , Reply# 12 6/15/2013 at 13:49 (3,976 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas) | ||
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I asked her about that and she said that's the way she always has used it. What does the UltraRay burner look like? Is it kind of a flat burner with holes around the parimeter edges near the top? It has a square igniter that looks like it's mounted with two screws on the right hand side of the burner. | ||
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Post# 684021 , Reply# 15 6/15/2013 at 19:33 (3,975 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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 Granny's previous gas range had a weak igniter (glow bar) for some long while until it quit completely. Took several minutes for the oven to light, and usually there was a mild fooom when it did. Substitute replacement part was available but more expen$ive than rea$onable so the oven was unused for a couple years until we replaced the range. | ||
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Post# 684030 , Reply# 16 6/15/2013 at 21:41 (3,975 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay) |
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Singed Hair A common occurrence next door when I was a kid. The mom there, Coral, couldn't hold her alcohol. One drink and she'd be flying. Harry, the patriarch, was Irish so it's no surprise that the household revolved around alcohol (the atmosphere there was always festive) so Coral was flying most evenings. Thankfully, she never drove a car, but a lot of her luncheoning and card partying friends did. At least those events ended well before commute time.
Coral was always the life of any party. My dad would say, when Coral walked in, she lit up the room. She also had an affinity for lighting up her cigarettes via gas burner on the stove. Every once in a while my mom would share what didn't take long to become old rehashed news over the years: "Coral singed her hair again last night."
It's probably been 20 years since Coral left for the big party in the sky, but I still miss her. It was a big loss to the old guard in the 'hood here. As my sister put it, growing up in that family was like having Holly Golightly for a mom. | ||
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Post# 687238 , Reply# 20 7/4/2013 at 09:18 (3,957 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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NON RELIGHTING COLORIC GAS WALL OVEN Could be a thermostat, but I would need more information. Instead of turning the oven off when it will not come back on why not trying turning the thermostat to a hotter setting, even 500F. If it comes back on then it is likely a bad thermostat, if it still does not come back on for 15 minutes it is more likely a bad gas valve, pressure regulator etc. | ||
| Post# 687244 , Reply# 21 7/4/2013 at 10:22 (3,957 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina) | ||
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I've never seen a gas wall oven. Would love to see one. | ||
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Post# 687325 , Reply# 24 7/4/2013 at 18:05 (3,957 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington NC) |
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Send your friends online to AJ Madison. Maytag, Frigidaire and GE all still make a gas oven that will fit the space. Summit is poor quality. Greg | ||
| Post# 687349 , Reply# 25 7/4/2013 at 19:33 (3,956 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas) | ||
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Thanks for the warning about Summit. We see GE 24 inch ovens, but will they fit in a 22 inch wide hole? | ||
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Post# 687350 , Reply# 26 7/4/2013 at 19:34 (3,956 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Replacing a Coloric Gas Wall Oven | ||
| Post# 687363 , Reply# 27 7/4/2013 at 20:33 (3,956 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E) | ||
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| Post# 687364 , Reply# 28 7/4/2013 at 20:34 (3,956 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas) | ||
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I recommended that to the guy who owns the Caloric. He said that there is only a 117V outlet back there and a gas line. He doesn't want to have to run a 240V line into the cabinet. Isn't there a way to get 240V in there by swapping the wires at the box and the outlet itself? I do see that some 24" ovens only require a 22" mounting hole. | ||
| Post# 687365 , Reply# 29 7/4/2013 at 20:41 (3,956 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E) | ||
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Allen:
Unless money is a serious issue, I would heartily recommend that your friends bite the bullet and do whatever's needed to get 220 in there.
Electric ovens are usually much, much better bakers than gas ones, and having self-cleaning is an amazing advantage if you've never had an oven with it. Your friends will be happy with their new oven long after they've gotten over the expense, trust me. | ||
| Post# 687502 , Reply# 36 7/5/2013 at 17:50 (3,956 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E) | ||
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Eh Bien! | ||
| Post# 687534 , Reply# 37 7/5/2013 at 22:01 (3,955 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c ) | ||
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If you could still... Buy a gas oven with a modulating control like all gas ovens used to be, I would go gas, nothing bakes as good, but these newer off and on things dont cut it! | ||
| Post# 687545 , Reply# 39 7/5/2013 at 23:02 (3,955 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E) | ||
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Allen:
"Sometimes they don't even bother with a repair and just use the broken toy until they can't squeeze any of the last little bit out of it."
And sometimes they just get bored with stuff - must be nice to have so much you don't have to maintain any interest in it after you've had the thrill of buying it. My personal favorite is my Singer Touch-Tronic 2010 sewing machine in the solid oak TOL No. 166 Flip 'n Sew cabinet. New? $1000 for the machine, $400 for the cabinet. Used? $130 for everything. She "just didn't care about it any more." | ||
| Post# 687551 , Reply# 40 7/5/2013 at 23:13 (3,955 days old) by Travis () | ||
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I have found that it's a waste of time helping people repair something if they have money spending issues. They should just replace their broken oven or just not have an oven. | ||
| Post# 689574 , Reply# 42 7/15/2013 at 16:27 (3,946 days old) by Davey7 (Chicago) | ||
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Modulating Control I'll second that, my oven really holds the temperature precisely for long periods. | ||
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Post# 718998 , Reply# 45 12/3/2013 at 11:33 (3,805 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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Possible solution for modern gas ovens' (and/or gas cooktops) need for electrical power:
Get a small battery backup system, such as used for personal computers. My gas cooktop has a standard 110 volt line cord and plug, which easily could plug into a battery backup system. I'm assuming a wall oven could have the same sort of connection, or easily be adapted to one. The battery backup system need not be very large, since the power demand of the system computer control and ignitors is small. And it would only be needed in times when there is a power outage. Probably a good idea not to use the oven light during a power outage, though. | ||
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Post# 719082 , Reply# 48 12/3/2013 at 20:12 (3,804 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Coloric Gas Wall Oven Ignation Problems
Faye your Coloric likely needs a new igniter and Coloric also had problems with oven burner ignition if your oven is one with the infrared Ultraray broiler, if your has this burner you need a good techichion who can install the new igniter so it will work properly. Your Coloric wall oven would be from the 70s-80s if it uses a hot surface igniter. Also your experience with a gas grill may not have much to do with your ovens problem if your grill is using LP Propane gas, Natural and LP gas behave very differently.
Rich, a battery backup for gas ovens like we are discussing would need to be VERY ROBUST, these oven igniters consume almost 400 watts of power continuously when these ovens are in full use. | ||
| Post# 719250 , Reply# 49 12/4/2013 at 15:12 (3,804 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas) | ||
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And remember some parts for these Caloric ovens are NLA. | ||
| Post# 719352 , Reply# 50 12/5/2013 at 04:02 (3,803 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina) | ||
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Two questions..... Allen: Why was the gas line an issue if the oven was replaced with electric? Was there a gas cooktop nearby? John: Why does electricity continue to feed once the gas oven is ignited? | ||
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Post# 719363 , Reply# 51 12/5/2013 at 07:22 (3,803 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Electrically Ignited Gas Ovens
Electricity is constantly required to keep the gas valve open, and in addition gas ovens that use hot surface igniters use the cheapest way of doing so. The system uses no sensor to detect when the flame actually lights so they just keep the igniter on full speed ahead consuming electricity at the rate of 300-400 watts the entire time the burner is burning.
Among US range brands ONLY WHIRLPOOL [ used on most WP, MT and Kitchenaid ranges ] has pioneered a system used on their 30" SC gas ranges that uses a spark to instantly light the oven or broiler burner. For this reason alone I sell a lot of WP built gas ranges [ these ranges are built in their Tulsa Oklahoma factory ] I think you will see this type of ignition required at some point in the future because of the electricity savings. I like it not only for the power savings and durability, but I also love pushing the bake button and then start and it lights within 2 seconds, no 30 second ---- two minute wait for the oven or broiler to start heating. I think that you will soon see oven vents on gas ovens that will close when the burner shuts off, this will not only save gas , but should also improve baking results and keep the kitchen cooler. | ||
| Post# 719414 , Reply# 54 12/5/2013 at 12:25 (3,803 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina) | ||
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Oops, my mistake! I assumed since it said GE, that it was electric. Don't think I have every seen a GE gas anything! | ||
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Post# 719432 , Reply# 55 12/5/2013 at 13:26 (3,803 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine) |
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My Whirlpool also uses an electric spark to light both oven and top burners. Oven has the spark lit pilot that lights the burner and relights it as thermostat calls for more heat. Pilot is off when oven control is off. Best part of this system is you can use top burners and oven during a power outage. Another property I once owned had a brand new Brown gas countertop and wall oven. First time it was tested, it blew the broiler across the kitchen because a connection at the oven burner had not been sealed properly at the factory.
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| Post# 719471 , Reply# 56 12/5/2013 at 16:45 (3,803 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina) | ||
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Re: Tim's post. Dear Gussie! | ||
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Post# 719487 , Reply# 57 12/5/2013 at 17:36 (3,802 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine) |
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