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Post# 692471   7/28/2013 at 12:41 (2,126 days old) by bwoods ()        

This is a Raytheon built Amana, correct? This is what I understand from reading the AW postings. It has the smaller opening.



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Post# 692473 , Reply# 1   7/28/2013 at 12:43 (2,126 days old) by bwoods ()        
Raytheon/Goodman Amana

This is the same machine in appearance except for the larger opening. Is this still Raytheon, or was enlarging the opening the initial change the Goodman made when purchasing Amana?

Post# 692474 , Reply# 2   7/28/2013 at 12:56 (2,126 days old) by bwoods ()        
Raytheon/Goodman Amana

This new control (as seen in this picture) panel, from what I have read in AW postings is the final change that Goodman made before selling Amana to Whirlpool? Correct?

Many on this site indicated that Raytheon Amanas were not good at rinsing. I assume this was because much of the spray rinse went directly to the inner tub, as opposed to the clothes from what several had said. Consumer Reports also indicated that the Raytheon Amanas had a slower speed than most of their test machines.

Does anyone know if Goodman make any changes in spin speed and the water fill-spray rinse arrangement when they made this final design?

Originally, I thought that only the Goodman Amanas had bearing seal problems causing water leakage, but in going back and reading old postings it seems like some had Raytheon units with this problem as well.



Post# 692515 , Reply# 3   7/28/2013 at 13:54 (2,126 days old) by imperial70 (******)        

*IIRC Whirlpool "inherited" Amana from the Maytag aquisition. I think the picture directly above this post is Amana from the "Maytag years."

Incidentally: The control panel above resembles a Speed Queen AWN542.

BTW: There is a post somewhere in AW.org that talks about the Amana > Raytheon > Goodman >SpeedQueen ... etc


Post# 692575 , Reply# 4   7/28/2013 at 15:07 (2,126 days old) by imperial70 (******)        

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Post# 692578 , Reply# 5   7/28/2013 at 15:08 (2,126 days old) by imperial70 (******)        

thread #16603 in the deluxe forum has a posting by Laundress that explains the Goodman/Amana/SpeedQueen history very nicely (IMHO).

paul


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Post# 692580 , Reply# 6   7/28/2013 at 15:10 (2,126 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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the only true way to know about these older machines is to check their model number label, and see if its made my Raytheon or Alliance....

first pic is Raytheon, fill flume issues, belt chewing issues, and tub seal issues

second and third pic, most likely Ratheon, fill flume relocation corrected, still had seal issues, not sure when, but the pump became direct drive off the motor, not a two belt unit...

now these units in the pic are Alliance built.....hard to tell sometimes, but as always, best bet, read the label....


Post# 692583 , Reply# 7   7/28/2013 at 15:10 (2,126 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

*IIRC Whirlpool "inherited" Amana from the Maytag aquisition. I think the picture directly above this post is Amana from the "Maytag years."

You are absolutely correct. Amana was purchased from Raytheon by Maytag. Then came the horrible SAV models aka the Amanatag machines. I don't know where the Goodman company fits in with all this. This is the first I've heard of it. Are we talking Goodman like the air conditioning company?


Post# 692800 , Reply# 8   7/29/2013 at 06:55 (2,125 days old) by bwoods ()        
unusal control panel

This is a control panel that I have not seen before, it looks like Raytheon was using some crossovers designs for the escutcheons on their Amana and Speed Queen machines.

Post# 692808 , Reply# 9   7/29/2013 at 07:05 (2,125 days old) by bwoods ()        
Speed Queen, barely disguished Amanas

From what I understand from Laundress's posting is that Raytheon never sold the Speed Queen name to Goodman, so this set was either manufactured by Raytheon before the sale or Alliance shortly after.

The control panel escutcheon is identical in layout with the Amana machines, just different esthetics.


Post# 692816 , Reply# 10   7/29/2013 at 07:42 (2,125 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Speed Queen Style Washers

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Raytheon owned both SQ, Modern Maid, Coloric and Amana for many years, when Raytheon wanted to get out of the appliance business they sold it to Goodman [ the air-conditioning company ] I don't think that Goodman ever had any serious intention of staying in the home appliance business.

 

They quickly began selling off parts of of the companies they bought and the commercial part of SQ never was part of Goodman and it became its own company and used the name Alliance Laundry Systems, ALSs agreed not to compete in the residential laundry market for about 10 years after this all this reshuffling.

 

  Goodman continued selling off assets and closing down factories and selling appliances mainly under the Amana name. Just before GM took control of Amana, Amana had introduced a line of built-in refrigerators to compete with Sub-Zero and while nice looking they were plagued with problems.

 

GM sold the line to Viking who immediately started selling built-ins and they are still a total POS. One of the venders we deal with is exchanging and scrapping as many as a dozen Viking Professional BIRs every month.   When Goodman got done gutting pillaging SQ, Amana, MM, and Coloric  they sold what was left to Maytag.

 

  While the GM built and SAV MT versions of the SQ washer design did have more seal and main bearing failures than earlier SQs it should be remembered that the SQ perforated basket washers from their introduction around 1980 were never great washers and always had plenty of early [ less than 6 years ] seal and bearing failures, water pump problems, they were belt eaters and generally noisy average performing machines at best. They actually got better under GM and MT in capacity, spin speed and overall performance.

 

  We our currently selling a lot of SQ TL washers and while they have greatly improved the seal design that lead to so many early main bearing failures they still [ like every washer ever built  ] still have faults.   Current TL SQs are very difficult to repair and most will be junked when they eventually develop seal, bearing or transmission problems. They really need a dual-action style agitator and they need to go to a neutral drain like they do on the machines they sell in Australia. 

 

I always hate hulling away a 20 YO WP or KM DD washer and installing a new SQ knowing that I am hulling away a better performing washer than the new one I am installing.   John.


Post# 692826 , Reply# 11   7/29/2013 at 08:50 (2,125 days old) by bwoods ()        
soap opera

Speed Queen was a McGraw-Edison company, as was Modern Maid, at the time Raytheon purchased them.

Of course Modern Main originally was D&M before McGraw-Edison (Toastmaster) took them over.





Post# 692828 , Reply# 12   7/29/2013 at 09:21 (2,125 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        
I dunno John, I disagree with you...................

I have owned both WP and Kenmore DD machines, and I own a SQ AWN542. Performance wise, I am much happier with the SQ than the DD machines. I often found clothes torn, or ripped, especially doing a load of towels on a 14 minute heavy duty or fast/fast speed. I think SQ turns the load over without all the "chuga-chuga" of the DD machines. Yes, all machines have quirks, but I thought Alliance fixed the main seal problem, and as far as an outer tub is concerned, I would much rather have a metal outer tub than the mold growing plastic outer tub of the DD machines. Often times those porcelain tubs developed rust spots around the drain holes which never went away, no matter how much touch up paint you applied, or how often! I also like the fact that SQ machines do not walk like the DD when they have an unbalanced load, and I prefer a spin drain, rather than pulling dirty water through the clothes on a neutral drain. SQ are also front serviceable, whereas the DD have to have the whole one piece cabinet, sides front and top removed for service. I liked my DD washers when I had them, but the SQ is far superior, contruction wise, warranty wise, and performance wise in my opinion. It is built like a tank compared to the DD machines! Just my opinion, take care.........
Mike


Post# 692837 , Reply# 13   7/29/2013 at 10:10 (2,125 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Modern Maid was orignally D&M ?

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I didn't know that D&M ever had any relationship to MM other than building crappy DWs for MM along with about 30 other companies. D&M became part of WCI, - Frigidaire-Electlux, fill me in if I missed something, Thanks John.


Post# 692918 , Reply# 14   7/29/2013 at 13:56 (2,125 days old) by bwoods ()        
Modern Maid

Modern Maid dishwashers were still made by D&M after McGraw-Edison bought MM and Speed Queen.

Post# 692982 , Reply# 15   7/29/2013 at 18:24 (2,125 days old) by combo52 (Beltsville,Md)        
Modern Maid and D&M Dishwashers

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Had no official ties when it came to ownership of each other, as I mentioned earlier D&M made DWs for nearly 30 different brand names and D&M was not tied to a single one of these names. And wisely they never tried to market a D&M DW on its own merits which would have made the Yugo Automobile [ in the US ] look successful, LOL.


Post# 692990 , Reply# 16   7/29/2013 at 18:34 (2,125 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Neutral drain on Australian SQ's

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Hi John,

You'll be interested to hear that the SQ's now on sale in Australia have gone back to a spin-drain, according to literature i was recently sent from the local distributor.

My model, the AWN552 is no longer on sale, they've gone to the version with electro-mechanical controls: AWNA62.

My guess is its probably expensive for the Australian distributors to have electric pumps and different timers fitted for our market only.

Cheers
Leon


Post# 693005 , Reply# 17   7/29/2013 at 19:05 (2,125 days old) by bwoods ()        
MM

McGraw-Edison decided to continue with the contract, with D&M, to produce dishwashers as was the case prior to the acquisition of Modern Maid.


Post# 1023598 , Reply# 18   2/4/2019 at 20:23 by queenspeed91 (Tulsa Oklahoma )        

Yogitunes I would love to have one of your Speed queen washers. I have one just like it but its a Commercial model made to go into a laundromat. It is computer controlled and doesn't have the features like the 2 you have in your pic.




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