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Kenmore with basket guard/ spin drain kenmore I think
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Post# 696381   8/14/2013 at 05:10 (3,935 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

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Post# 696382 , Reply# 1   8/14/2013 at 05:22 (3,935 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

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Post# 696401 , Reply# 2   8/14/2013 at 07:41 (3,935 days old) by mtn1584 (USA)        

The first of the Direct Drive machines?

Post# 696406 , Reply# 3   8/14/2013 at 08:06 (3,935 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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I don't think so.  The original issue machines didn't have dual-action agitators, neither Whirlpool nor Kenmore.

Post# 696411 , Reply# 4   8/14/2013 at 08:14 (3,935 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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the cone shaped dome of the agitator's cap is of the belt drive version...

yet the splash shield is of the direct drive.......

interesting....could be in the middle of the change over

Post# 696419 , Reply# 5   8/14/2013 at 08:51 (3,935 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        

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Direct drive YES
spin drain. PROBABLY NOT!


( of course I could be wrong )

Post# 696430 , Reply# 6   8/14/2013 at 10:10 (3,935 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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The base of the agitator is definitely the smaller DD type.  It's in a 24" cabinet which is what the DD transmission debuted in.  The console is the early 1980s design.  This is one where I think Gordon will have to weigh in and give us the details.  It's definitely a transitional machine from the 1982-1986 period.

Post# 696541 , Reply# 7   8/14/2013 at 19:54 (3,934 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.))        
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Definitely a DD machine.  However it could neutral drain.  Some early 24" ND DD machines did still have this guard ring. 


Post# 697025 , Reply# 8   8/17/2013 at 03:10 (3,932 days old) by Kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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Mark is correct, and Nick too. This is definitely one of the transitional early DD models. Is it one of the first DDs? I guess that depends on your perspective as this machine could easily hail from 1983 or 1984, and yes, that would make it an early machine in my view. It clearly does not have the gold agitator with the rear mounted pump, so its not one of the first originals, but there is still a quite good chance I think that it is a spin drain machine.

These machines were made up until fall, 1986 with this console. This is a 1983 model, but there weren't any all-new retail models until 1986. I think Nick is right that some of the first neutral drain models retained the clothes guard. I am not sure when the neutral drain pack was introduced (84 or 85?), but I am nearly certain that there were both spin drain and neutral drain models which used this console, and their outward appearance made them indistinguishable without a model number. When the neutral drain models arrived, all the timers had to be revised to have two motor-stops (instead of one) in each wash and spin period, the first to reverse the motor for the neutral drain, and the second to engage spin.

As to the auger on the agitator, the first Dual Action DD agitators were hybrids --- they used the familiar DD agitator base with the four step-shaped fins, but they also utilized the belt-drive auger with the clutch and two shoes instead of the later and ultra-common four dogs. There were no changes to this auger to fit the DD machine, it still retains its BD part number. The switch to the four dogs design was made because they grip better than the two shoes, which tend to slip a bit. Its not an issue in a BD, but in a DD the spastic agitation made the slippage noticeable.

Interestingly, the first versions of these did not have the transparent slip knob on the timer pointer. I never liked the look of those things, but the original BD style pointers made it possible to advance the timer from agitation to spin while running, which with a motor reverse involved, made for some "unexpected results".


Post# 697427 , Reply# 9   8/19/2013 at 03:52 (3,930 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Thanks Gordon, I was not sure if it was the early spin drain. Sadly the ad disappeared right after I posted the pic. Thanks for the info. Arthur

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