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Post# 703312   9/14/2013 at 19:36 (3,876 days old) by washabear (Maryland)        

My Frigemore front loader (Kenmore brand) passed the dreaded 5-year mark this past spring, and it's still going strong. I hope I'm not jinxing it by saying that, but I love this machine. It washes really well, uses a sufficient amount of water, always spins when it's supposed to, and doesn't take a long time to complete a cycle. I have to say that it's my favorite washing machine I've ever used. I haven't looked around lately to see if it's still made, but I should probably look into getting a backup for the time when this one conks out, although I hope to have many more years of service from this one.

Just thought I'd share. Thanks!





Post# 703314 , Reply# 1   9/14/2013 at 20:18 (3,876 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

My sister has a Kenmore version of this machine and it's going on 8 years old now.
She washes/rinses in cold water only uses only liquid Tide in massive doses and keeps the door always shut and she has never had a mold problem. The machine has also never had a need for service. She's also a Downy fiend, 2 cups per load.

I do have a question. This machine has a feature called "Quick Wash" on it. She uses it all the time. The salesman at Sears told her not to use it because "the machine will be damaged if you use it." This was the same guy who told her if she uses any other detergent than liquid Tide HE her warranty would be voided.

So what does this Quick Wash cycle do that can be so damaging to the machine as the salesman said? I asked her why would they put a cycle on a machine that could damage it and all she could say was "Well, the salesman should know, he sells the things."


Post# 703315 , Reply# 2   9/14/2013 at 20:46 (3,876 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        

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quick wash cycle its a much shorter wash cycle as its 1 wash 1 spin and 1 rinse and final spin if i had that cycle on my duet washer i would only use the quick wash cycle and its not damaging for the washer i know for my mom summer cottage i chose for my mom a maytag neptune that has the quick wash cycle witch is 29 minutes and its not damaging for the washer

Post# 703316 , Reply# 3   9/14/2013 at 20:53 (3,876 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Allen-- Concerning the Downy fiend: Please tell me you mean she uses two capsful and not two cupsful per load. You've mentioned your sister's eccentric approach to laundry before, so nothing would surprise me, LOL.

Post# 703321 , Reply# 4   9/14/2013 at 21:52 (3,876 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

Nope 2 cups, she also uses 2 cups of Tide HE too. What won't fit in the dispenser gets dumped on top of the clothing. I once sent her a large bottle of Persil liquid and that was gone in just one washday. As she says "I really love my Downy."

But remember she is the type that is going to do things HER way regardless if it's right or wrong. She has a Miele dishwasher that wasn't used for 4 years. Why? Because her realtor friend told her "If you never use your dishwasher you can add $5,000 to the price of your house because of that." So she never used it. One night her daughter had a boyfriend that thought he would be helpful one night and loaded the Miele up and started a load in it. I think my sister nearly decapatated him for "loosing her $5,000". I am sure he ran out of that house with his tail between his legs.

And don't get me started on the water heater that is permanently left on the "Vacation" setting.

So you see what I am dealing with. A control freak that thinks she's never wrong.I have suspected for some time that she's probably bi-polar but never diagnosed. Karen and I have not visited her in 6 years because of her outrageous behavior. Her husband learned long ago just do what she says and life will be OK.

Have you ever seen the movie "Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolf?" well my sister would give Virginia Wolf a run for her money, even before the drinking starts.




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Post# 703324 , Reply# 5   9/14/2013 at 22:10 (3,876 days old) by washdaddy (Baltimore)        
two cups each!!!!!

and in a FL machine no less....talk about your April Freshness.

Post# 703346 , Reply# 6   9/15/2013 at 07:19 (3,875 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Bruce-- I've always had good luck with Frigidaire front-loaders.  Is yours the old-school 3.0 cu. ft. model with a round door?  Had a 2002 model that was just beginning to exhibit a bit of bearing growl when I replaced it with a redesigned 2010 model.  Many more trouble-free loads to you!


Post# 703349 , Reply# 7   9/15/2013 at 07:44 (3,875 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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Frigidaire had among the best assembly quality of any washer EVER made with these washers.

 

They did have a few weak spots in the design department however, the spider on the small door machines were too thin and if you mistreated the machine by using the wrong combinations of cold water washing and lack of good detergents and bleach you could suffer an early failure.

 

But overall these were great performing machines and I have no dough that we will still be repairing these when they are 30 years old,they made MILLIONS of them.

 

The sad thing is the newer machines have grown in height and depth so they will no longer fit under a kitchen counter top and no longer will bolt to their dryers [ so they have lost all the replacement business for the millions they sold ]. They also removed the removable lower panel so you have to access the clogged trap and pump problems only from the rear, this coupled with the loss of Sears and GEs business I would guess that Frigidaire lost 3/4 of their sales in FL washers. Frigidaire also lost Sears and GE as clients with their silly new Immersion Care stack washer-dryers.


Post# 703374 , Reply# 8   9/15/2013 at 10:49 (3,875 days old) by thor (Buenos Aires)        
Two cups of softner

Allen, does your sister's washer have a drawer with a two cup capacity for the softner? If it doesn't, most probably the two cups of softner are running right into the wash cycle, emptying by an "overrun" syphon. That would explain the two cups of detergent not oversudsing. And all of this mixed together in a short-wash with cold water!

I sure wouldn't want to use any kind of clothes washed by your sister, sorry I'll pass the chance!


Post# 703379 , Reply# 9   9/15/2013 at 11:55 (3,875 days old) by nmassman44 (Brooksville Florida)        

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I was going to say in my GE Frigidaire built washer, the softener dispenser holds a capful of softener and that's about it. I love my machine, I have two of them, one that was given to us that threw the spider, which by the way is noisy as hell when it happens. I plan on replacing the drum and take the SQ washer out of service or sell it on. The new GE Frigidaire built washer, I found on clearance at Lowes for $300. GE didn't change the design of the control panels at all and it's identical from the 2001 built washer, yet the new one was built in 2010.
I use the front loader more than the SQ washer because of less water usage, better washing, clothes last longer, superior water extraction, and better rinsing. There I said it. That's my opinion and your entitled to it! Lol


Post# 703383 , Reply# 10   9/15/2013 at 12:10 (3,875 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
That's crazy reading about your sis!

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With all those chemicals and cold water and the washer is still working! I'm still trying to get past the 2 cups of Downy.....



Post# 703398 , Reply# 11   9/15/2013 at 13:37 (3,875 days old) by retropia ()        

I loved our circa-2000 Kenmore/Frigidaire/Electrolux, and we had 13 years of solid service out of it before the spider finally went. I'd guess we washed 7-10 loads a week in it.

The pump had to be replaced during our ownership, but it was a relatively minor expense to replace it.

I fear I will never find another front-loader that I like as well.


Post# 703426 , Reply# 12   9/15/2013 at 16:41 (3,875 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

I don't know how she gets all the Downy in that machine. The machine has a black "shade" like thing covering the window. You can see clothes moving, but not much else. I have never seen her use it though. I once told her to take a T-Shirt and plunge it in a sink filled with water to see if she gets any suds but she refused.
She said her family is happy with the way she does laundry and why am I so interested in the way she does it?

I'm just amazed that it is still working with no mold or anything else. I was impressed that she went through a 1.5L of Persil in just one wash day.


Post# 703434 , Reply# 13   9/15/2013 at 18:10 (3,875 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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those round door models were some of the best ones out there.....prefer the newer versions with the solenoid operated dispensers.....can change the water level easily with a screwdriver in minutes....I liked the Kenmore version dryers with the stainless drum....and seemed to have more options than the Frigidaire sisters...wished they still made them.....I too would grab a set for a spare....

Post# 703490 , Reply# 14   9/15/2013 at 23:29 (3,875 days old) by retropia ()        
Kenmore 2718 coin-operated

While doing some internet browsing, I came across this interesting variant. Apparently there are five new examples for sale at Sears Outlet stores.

In reading the reviews, the coin box isn't the most robust, and the machine isn't different structurally than the residential model. Thus, perhaps it does not make the best choice for a laundromat.


CLICK HERE TO GO TO retropia's LINK


Post# 703498 , Reply# 15   9/16/2013 at 00:13 (3,875 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))        

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I have that machine. Trouble free in 15 years. Still smells vaguely of neoprene, "new washer smell".

Frigidaire however was just another badge. The origin is Electrolux.

Don't get me started on Downy, otherwise known as mildew food.


Post# 703499 , Reply# 16   9/16/2013 at 00:13 (3,875 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)        
my Frig 2140 just hit seven years of perfect service

This is the 3.5 cu ft square door model. I have a 1442 gas dryer stacked on top of it. No problems whatsoever, never been serviced and never needed it. I descale with citric acid once per quarter and of course keep the gasket seal crease wiped dry at the end of the wash day. And of course leave the door ajar at all times it's not in use.

My only regret was not having spent $100 more for the 2940, which has Auto Temp Control and a variable delay time. My 2140 has an eight hour delay, and I use that feature more than I anticipated---and wish I had more flexibility with a 2-12 hour variable delay. Not having ATC is not the end of world, except that in winter I doubt if I am really washing in "Warm" water given the drop in the cold water line temperature. I can only wash on "Cold" during August-September, our two hottest months of the year when cold water line temps are 70-72 F.


Post# 703516 , Reply# 17   9/16/2013 at 06:29 (3,874 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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Hi Doug and thanks for posting this washer, I am very familiar with this machine, we maintain about a dozen of them in light commercial user installations. Interestingly in commercial use I dough that we will ever see a broken spider and maybe not even bad bearings because you do not tend to get the harmful build-ups of crap in commercial applications do to so many different people using the washer with different detergents , water temperatures, bleach etc. We had one of these last 5 years at the local vet hospital doing 10+ loads per day and when we hauled the poor thing away the bearings and spider were just fine, but the machine was beat to hell and the motor wore out and the hospital bought a new SQ TL washer, they now have two of these.

 

The coin box on these machines are actually VERY strong, it is just that are mounted on the flimsy top, LOL.

 

 

Note to all FL washer owners, in addition to leaving the main door open or ajar you should also leave the dispenser drawer open as far as possible.

 


Post# 703529 , Reply# 18   9/16/2013 at 08:38 (3,874 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        
So then I guess

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user's washing habits determined whether or not the spider will go!

I've kind of suspected that but wasn't really sure.


Post# 703533 , Reply# 19   9/16/2013 at 09:37 (3,874 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)        
@combo52

I do just as you say: I always leave door ajar, and actually pull out the dispenser and dump out the residual water (and set it on end to dry) at the end of each wash day, along with wiping the gasket seal. I descale with citric acid on a quarterly basis.

I used chlorine bleach a few times, because I had purchased the machine a few months or a year before I discovered automaticwasher.org. At that time, there were stories of spiders breaking on the older round-door models. The square door 2140 and 2940 models had only been introduced in I think 2003-4, so the ones in use weren't old enough at the time to have had spider failures. Some people felt that use of chlorine bleach could harm the spider, so I suspended use of both liquid bleach and also stopped using OxyClean. Now I just use hot water, detergent, and Borax and everything comes clean (except for hopeless stains like ink).

I use a cold water Soak sometimes; the machine does not have PreWash, but does have a Soak cycle; however, after Soak concludes, you have to reload machine with soap and start the desired final cycle, the machine treats Soak as a separate, independent cycle. Not a big deal unless you need to run errands and can't be home to advance the machine to the next cycle. I don't mind, because the Soak cycle is about 40 minutes long and soaks the clothes longer than a PreWash would do. Generally add 1/2 dose of detergent to Soak cycle.

Looking back on things, I haven't read of many 2140/2940 spider failures over the years on this board, so perhaps the problem was confined to early models of the round door model. Board member Golittlesport had a 2940 bought shortly after market introduction, which he eventually handed down to his son, and it was still working fine the last I heard. Must be approaching ten years old, since his 2940 was several years older than my 2140. My 2140 is 7 1/2 years old and has never been serviced. The only thing ever that went wrong was that the magnet (reed switch) fell out of the dispenser and the machine wouldn't start until I found the magnet on the floor and reinserted it. Most likely I dropped the dispenser on the floor when I emptied it of water, so it was my own fault. The 2140/2940 probably haven't been around long enough to know how long their spiders will last on average.


Post# 703578 , Reply# 20   9/16/2013 at 15:50 (3,874 days old) by washabear (Maryland)        

Hi everyone:

Thanks for your replies. Sorry for my delayed reply; I hadn't been able to get back on until now.

Eugene, it is the old-school model with the round door. Mine looks very much like the one pictured by retropia above.

Allen, my machine does not have a specific Quick Wash setting. It does have a Short setting on the Regular cycle, but that just shortens the wash time; the rest of the cycle (spins and rinses) stays the same. I think the wash time settings on Regular are 16 minutes for Heavy, 13 minutes for Normal, and 9 minutes for Short. Given the dark tint on the window of your sister's machine, I think she has a Kenmore version of the 2140, which is a later model. I had that one before I got this and couldn't stand it. That one might have a Quick Wash setting.

Another thing I like about this machine is that it does a water spray after the wash cycle and does three rinses without the extra rinse, four with, but I rarely feel the need to use the extra rinse.

Thanks again!



Post# 703658 , Reply# 21   9/17/2013 at 10:12 (3,873 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)        
2140 and Quick Wash

I have a Frigidaire-badged 2140, 2006 vintage, and yes there is a Quick Wash cycle. I rarely use it and have not sat there timing it. The manual describes it as:

"Quick Cycle provides 5 minutes of reversing tumble wash action
for lightly soiled items that must be laundered quickly, followed by
2 rinses and a final spin. To save time, Heavy Soil/Stain, Extra
Rinse and Extra Spin options are not available in this cycle."

 

The comparative cycle chart lists Quick Wash as requiring about 30 minutes, but...

 

"**Estimated cycle duration is based on factory settings and does not include water fill
times, out-of-balance or oversudsing corrections."

 

I've used it a few times when a shirt or something had to be laundered quickly, but I have a large wardrobe (i.e. 4-5 white dress shirts rather than one), so that it's rarely necessary to wash something in a hurry for immediate use. If a piece of clothing were stained in an accident (say, a bowl of pasta sauce accidentally spilled on it, etc.) I would probably rinse it out in the sink the best I could, then run a Soak cycle with 1/2 dose detergent, then run it through a regular cycle with other pieces of clothing, rather than use Quick Cycle.

 


Post# 703968 , Reply# 22   9/18/2013 at 23:43 (3,872 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

Thanks for that explanation. My sister's husband works in an office, so his clothes don't get too dirty. But he is an avid athlete at age 58 & comes home very dirty after playing with "the boys". But the washer cleans satisfactorily enough for my sister.

I still wonder why the salesman told her to never use the Quick Wash cycle? How could it break the machine? You'd think he would be promoting it as a must have feature.


Post# 703973 , Reply# 23   9/19/2013 at 00:10 (3,872 days old) by mrsalvo (New Braunfels Texas)        

Does anyone have a video of this machine? I would like to see it. Maybe a link?

Post# 704405 , Reply# 24   9/21/2013 at 09:03 (3,869 days old) by PassatDoc (Orange County, California)        
@Allen/whirlcool

I would never use Quick Cycle for a full load of clothing. It works ok on just a few pieces (say, one pair trousers, two shirts) that need to be laundered right away. But per the manual, it's not designed to wash a full load in 30 minutes. For one thing, there is no extra rinse, I'm not sure whether the cycle offers one or two rinses (hopefully two). So there might be a lot of soap left in a pile of not-that-clean clothes. For a few pieces, it works....for me that means a small pile of clothes that was accidentally overlooked/omitted when loading the washer, but an energy conscious person would just save that pile for the next full load. As stated, my wardrobe is large enough that I always have something to wear even if I can't do laundry on a same-day basis.

I do recall using Quick Wash in July, twice in short period. I have a red white and blue plaid gingham shirt from LL Bean (100% cotton with wrinkle-free finish) that gets very little use outside of July 4th. Because July 4th fell on a Thursday this year, I wore the shirt on Thursday, then needed it again for a July 4th-themed party on Saturday, plus to wear to church on Sunday---our Episcopal parish always throws a hot dog/hamburger bbq after 10:15 mass on the Sunday closest to the 4th, complete with side dishes, desserts, soft drinks, and (gasp!!) Coors Light. Because we had hot muggy weather that week, I wore the shirt only once between washings, and I used Quick Wash to get it and a few pairs underwear and socks clean for the next day. When I use the cycle, I use a half of my normal dose of detergent (= 1 tablespoon/30 mg/half of a coffee scoop) of HE powder, either Gain or Tide or Ariel (UK) or Persil (Germany). For full loads I use 0.75-1 coffee scoop (=25-30 ml or 1.5-2 tablespoons) of powder, the lower end of the range for European powder and the higher range for US powder. The largest loads seem to come clean with only 1.5 tbsp (22.5 ml or 0.75 of a coffee scoop) Persil megaperls---usually color unless it's a rare white load.

I bought my 2140 in March 2006. I believe it had been on the market for over a year, so I am guessing it was introduced in 2003-4, along with its sister machine the 2940. 2940 had a fancier control dial, a digit display of minutes remaining, Auto Temp Control, and Variable Delay Wash. In hindsight I should have paid $100 extra for the latter two features, but at the time I thought delay wash was a gimmick. Now I see it as very useful and wish I had more than the 2140's limited, fixed (eight hour delay only) delay wash. Auto Temp Control would probably help in winter to ensure that Warm is "warm", when cold water line temps are rather icy. WIthout ATC, Warm = the mean average of the hot and cold water line temps, without a guaranteed minimum temperature.

Yesterday I had the repair man over to check the matching 1442 dryer. Was making a thumping noise. Diagnosis: two buttons were stuck between the drum and body of the machine. Have no idea how they got there, but post-removal the thumping noise is gone. He remarked that the 2140/2940 line has held up well, he sees virtually none of the spider issues that evidently plagued the smaller round-door model to some extent. My 2140 has never had a service call. Once the reed-switch magnet fell out of the dispenser, and the washer wouldn't start, but I found the magnet on the floor and readers here were able to post an exploded diagram of the dispenser, showing where to insert it. I did so and it worked great.




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