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Thread Number: 48558
Good deal On This GE Dishwasher? |
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| Post# 703595 9/16/2013 at 17:24 (4,231 days old) by boboh1 (California) | ||
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I have the opportunity to purchase this vintage GE dishwasher. I have asked for more detailed pictures but the seller said all functions work well and they want $245 for it. Does anyone know about this machine and is the asking price too much? Thanks. 
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| Post# 703604 , Reply# 1 9/16/2013 at 19:01 (4,231 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E) | ||
That Is.....
A Model GGSD650L; it appears in the 1972 GE full-line brochure available from Automatic Ephemera. It could have been in production from earlier years, so don't take the 1972 date as the only year it could have been made.
It's a four-cycle machine, one model below the TOL Versatronic. Along with all the features that are visible when you look at the machine, it has a soft food waste disposer in it. I'll stay out of the pricing question. I think this model is still early enough to have a porcelain interior instead of Plastisol, but I would definitely check that, because GE's Plastisol of the '70s gave a lot of trouble. The brochure does not specify the tub liner material. That front panel is a custom finish; this is too late for Turquoise (gone by '67) as a factory color. The panel was interchangeable; you could order a panel in Harvest, Avocado, Coppertone or brushed chrome in addition to the stock White. Good luck! | ||
Post# 703605 , Reply# 2 9/16/2013 at 19:02 (4,231 days old) by bajaespuma  (Connecticut) |
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What the market will bear. Without seeing the inside, I'd guess that this is a 1970 model. 245 clams for a 50+ year-old GE dishwasher is steep unless it's in mint condition. For me, if it has the blue selecta-level racks I would consider paying that price for it, especially if I didn't have to pay a lot to have it transported to me. Do you have any shots of the interior? 
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| Post# 703607 , Reply# 3 9/16/2013 at 19:13 (4,231 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E) | ||
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Selecta Level Racks:
The brochure only describes the Selecta Level Racks shown in Ken's photo as coming with the TOL Versatronic; the GGSD650L is described as having "full extension racks."
This, of course, does not mean that the Selecta Level Racks weren't available on this machine in another model year; I can only tell you what I'm seeing in the 1972 brochure. | ||
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Post# 703612 , Reply# 4 9/16/2013 at 20:27 (4,231 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Late 60s- early 70s GE DW Frist of all GE NEVER MADE a drop door DW with a PORCELAIN INTERIOR. This DW has been painted Turquoise as it is too new for this color and the price is way too much unless it is in perfect almost unused condition.
That said it is a fairly fixable DW for a DW of this time period [ as long as there is no rusting issues ], but a KA or a WP from time period would be a better daily driver and even an unreliable Westinghouse would wash much better.
Good Luck and talk them way down if you are really interested in this DW. | ||
| Post# 703613 , Reply# 5 9/16/2013 at 20:36 (4,231 days old) by bluejay (Havre de Grace, MD) | ||
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| Post# 703640 , Reply# 7 9/17/2013 at 03:36 (4,230 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
Thanks John. | ||
| Post# 703646 , Reply# 8 9/17/2013 at 04:54 (4,230 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E) | ||
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Plastisol:
I would inspect the bejabbers out of this machine, in person, before making any commitment. GE's Plastisol of the '70s was prone to peeling and bubbling. The bottom of the tub's front opening is one place you should look at, very critically; bubbling and rust often started here.
Once bubbling and rust begin on a GE, there is no stopping it. You could buy yourself some time with a dishwasher liner repair kit, which was a coating you could apply after grinding away the bubbled, rusty areas, but the repair didn't last very long, either. Again, in-person inspection. | ||
| Post# 703683 , Reply# 10 9/17/2013 at 14:10 (4,230 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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| Post# 703712 , Reply# 11 9/17/2013 at 17:47 (4,230 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c ) | ||
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The main issue.. Besides the Plastisol, is that it will sound like a chainsaw running, I always thought they washed ok, but NOISY! | ||
| Post# 703887 , Reply# 13 9/18/2013 at 14:29 (4,229 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E) | ||
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Barry:
First, thank you for confirming a memory.
I said what I said about GE dishwashers and porcelain interiors, because I knew Hotpoint used them, even on BOL units; the BOL units in an apartment complex I lived in in the '70s had them. It seemed reasonable to assume GE had used them at some point, which was wrong of me, but at least I wasn't completely off-base. Thank you. Your photo also brings up something else that is almost unbelievable in this day and age - GE still makes an undersink DW. The GE Website shows it, but I have found that it's ungodly expensive for what is essentially a lower-MOL model, around $850. Still, it's out there, which is quite something. From the tiny photos I've seen, it appears, sadly, that it's electronic control now, instead of a mechanical timer. I'm not sure that I'd want to throw $850 at a specialty model with an electronic control board sitting there waiting to blow. But if you need one, you can get one. | ||
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Post# 703918 , Reply# 14 9/18/2013 at 18:29 (4,229 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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GE Porcelain Tub Drop Door Models As a service guy I will always consider these [ GE ] porcelain tub models Hotpoint's, so while you guys are correct that there was actually a PT DD GE DW it was never anything that GE promoted as one of their better DWs.
I think that these HPs were added to the GE lineup mainly for property mangers that were leary of the new plastic tubs that GE was using in all their main lineup after all the problems these property managers had with the plastisol tub GE DWs.
The ironic thing was the new GE plastic tub DWs held up much better than the porcelain tub HPs that had lots of rust issues, they were almost as bad as as D&Ms cheap porcelain tubs. | ||
| Post# 703922 , Reply# 15 9/18/2013 at 19:13 (4,229 days old) by bwoods () | ||
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GE Porcelain tubs Hee hee. Try to squirm your way out of it now, John. :) This post was last edited 09/18/2013 at 19:48 | ||
| Post# 703930 , Reply# 16 9/18/2013 at 20:17 (4,229 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E) | ||
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I Think....
The reason for the porcelain-on-steel tub in the convertible/portable machines was that the tub was part of the structure on that generation of GE portables; the tub helped hold the whole thing together. A steel tub was fine for that purpose whether it was Plastisol or porcelain, and GE was getting away from Plastisol, so porcelain would have been the answer.
The plastic Perma-Tuf tub must have presented some issue that precluded its use in convertible/portable machines, at least at first, and my guess is that the structural issue was it; testing might have shown that extra structural bracing would be needed, or something. There had to be a very good reason, because outfitting all dishwashers with the same tub is cheaper than having to deal with two different tubs. | ||
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Post# 703935 , Reply# 17 9/18/2013 at 20:30 (4,229 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan & Palm Springs, CA) |
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Believe that there were either 2 or 3 different GE plants producing dishwashers in the 80s timeframe---Louisville producing PermaTuf (both GE branded as well as for the OEM customers which really made GE successful in dishwashers during the 80s), Milwaukee producing porcelain (Hotpoint, GE portables and specialty) until the plant closed and the Canada plant producing porcelain--there were Canadian porcelain d/w with an unusual filter system in the lineup (I remember seeing them in the late 80s in Canada). Plastisol was replaced completely by PermaTuf by 1980, leaving as mentioned porcelain for specialty/portable uses. I worked for GE Capital from 1989-1992 and paid attention to that kind of things.
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Post# 704099 , Reply# 20 9/19/2013 at 15:23 (4,228 days old) by turquoisedude (.) |
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I wonder if the Canadian models were, in fact, Hotpoints.... When I was a brat, my family had a 1978 GE convertible that had a porcelain on steel tub, BUT I remember acquaintances who had slightly fancier GE built-ins of the same vintage with porcelain on steel tubs, too. My first house, which I bought in 1989, had a brand-new, one-down-from-the-TOL GE Potscrubber II - it also had the porcelain tub, but may have been one of the last!
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| Post# 704276 , Reply# 21 9/20/2013 at 15:33 (4,227 days old) by maytaga806 (Howell, Michigan) | ||
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How on earth could there be a dishwasher directly under the sink? Thats like impossible. where is the drain pipe and the water pipes? | ||
| Post# 704279 , Reply# 22 9/20/2013 at 15:42 (4,227 days old) by william637 (Damp pants? Not a chance. ) | ||
How can it be under a sink? | ||
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Post# 704297 , Reply# 24 9/20/2013 at 17:56 (4,227 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 704317 , Reply# 25 9/20/2013 at 19:59 (4,227 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) |
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It also required a special sink with the drain in the rear corner and with that placement, you could install a disposer in the sink. | ||
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Post# 704328 , Reply# 26 9/20/2013 at 20:52 (4,227 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan & Palm Springs, CA) |
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Milwaukee plant closed in 1991 (according to the Milwaukee Business Journal), which predated GE moving to the plastic washer by a couple years. They were doing some employee testing of the new washer design in the 1991-1992 timeframe (while I was at GE Capital)..also that porcelain d/w in Canada might have been about the same vintage. Reason with me here...the big cost for using porcelain in a d/w had to be the kiln/firing/etc. Presuming that Canada already had that equipment in their GE appliance plant (for washers/ranges/ovens/cooktops), it would be logical to use that for their dishwashers as well. ISTR that the Canadian d/w of the time mimicked the US perma-tuf lineup, with the entry level having no filtering (just the grinder) and the uplevel Canadian having a filtering system similar to the passive filter in the uplevel US perma-tuf lineup. The Canadian porcelain d/w had a triangular setup in the front corner of the tub, I vaguely recall.
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