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50's Frigidaire Stove PGH CL..(same seller as GE DW)
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Post# 707414   10/5/2013 at 17:42 (3,844 days old) by moparwash (Pittsburgh,PA )        

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Just the thing to match the dishwasher

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Post# 707427 , Reply# 1   10/5/2013 at 18:57 (3,844 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Not '50s -

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Unless I am greatly mistaken (there are real Frigidaire experts among us, so they'll tell me if I'm wrong), that's not '50s, it's '40s. It's the single-oven version of the 1948 TOL we had when I was growing up. Raymond Loewy designed it.

Damn thing weighed more than a Hyundai does today - all porcelain, and heavy-gauge sheet metal, plus a fair amount of chromed pot metal.


Post# 707459 , Reply# 2   10/5/2013 at 21:04 (3,844 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)        
Wow

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is that light about the coolest ever?


Post# 707464 , Reply# 3   10/5/2013 at 21:16 (3,844 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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I'd put my money on a 1949 RM-45.


Post# 707506 , Reply# 4   10/6/2013 at 07:05 (3,844 days old) by frigidaireguy (Wiston-Salem, NC)        
1949 Would Be A good guess

I would think 1949 would be correct. My Mother had a 1948 that was nearly identical to this. The drawer on the left of the oven was a "warming" bin. You just flipped the switch in the middle and it kept everything warm.
Bob


Post# 707611 , Reply# 5   10/6/2013 at 18:23 (3,843 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Dating:

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The reason I've been uncertain about the date is that the ad below appeared in a number of magazines in 1948, some as early as March. I do not know what time of year represented the model year change for Frigidaire in 1948, but since they were a GM subsidiary, I've always assumed third week of September, same as for cars at the time. That assumption would make the pictured unit a 1948 model, since the ad was in magazines prior to September. Anyone who could shed light on this situation would be very helpful.

The range in the ad is the TOL double-oven model; the full-width garnish molding on the storage drawer, the presence of an oven vent at the far left of the backsplash (a second one for the second oven) and the presence of a third knob on the control panel below the clock are the clues. Does anyone have a model number for it? Mark?




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Post# 707621 , Reply# 6   10/6/2013 at 19:13 (3,843 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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Sandy, the range in the ad that you show IS indeed the TOL 1948 double oven range.  It was the model RK-70 and is listed and shown in the 1948 service literature.  Note that 1948 was the last year of the thinner, interwound surface elements on Frigidaire ranges.  In 1949 the 3-wire radiantube was introduced across the line.

 

Here is the picture from that manual (shown in tandem with an apartment range, for when you just must have 3 ovens and 7 surface units!): 


Post# 707623 , Reply# 7   10/6/2013 at 19:18 (3,843 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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The TOL, double oven range for 1949 was the RM-75.  Note that it has the fat 3-wire radiantube surface elements and a completely redesigned full backsplash panel.  

 

It appears as though Frigidaire "repurposed" the TOL 1948 double-oven design for the middle-of-the-line single oven 1949 model, the RM-45.  


Post# 707626 , Reply# 8   10/6/2013 at 19:34 (3,843 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Mark:

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Thank you SO MUCH for the model number and the confirmation of my assumptions!

I only wish that range of ours had lived on. It met its demise because it began burning out elements and switches right and left, and because its white Bakelite knobs began snapping off at the shaft fitting. By 1974, it was so far gone Mother replaced it. I still remember the ordeal of getting the heavy-as-lead Frigidaire out to the curb; we had a very long driveway at the time.

It has to be remembered that in those pre-Internet days, you were at the mercy of your local service people, and if they weren't interested in maintaining parts stock for older appliances and in repairing them, you weren't going to be getting your ailing appliance fixed.

She's gone to glory, but I'd love to find her twin someday.


Post# 707628 , Reply# 9   10/6/2013 at 19:46 (3,843 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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Sandy, the service lit. lists the RK-70 at 276 lbs.  That's ALMOST as much as a Maytag AMP washer.  Those weighed in at just shy of 300!


Post# 707630 , Reply# 10   10/6/2013 at 19:53 (3,843 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Mark:

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What, if anything, was Frigidaire doing with dishwashers during this time frame? I'm familiar with their ranges, fridges and laundry of the period, but I've never seen anything that I recall about dishwashers, and you'd think GM would have been all over that.

Know anything?

P.S.: That weight in the service manual is obviously a misprint, LOL. It was more like 1,276 pounds! Well, at least it was by the time we neared the curb. :)


Post# 707632 , Reply# 11   10/6/2013 at 19:59 (3,843 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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Sandy, Frigidaire was late in the game to the dishwasher market.  Their first automatic dishwasher did not appear until 1955.  It was a "spin tube" model that they would use up until the later 1960s.


Post# 707634 , Reply# 12   10/6/2013 at 20:07 (3,843 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Oh, Well....

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....If you're doing a late-'40s kitchen, a KD-10 is always correct - and it gets the dishes clean, which not every dishwasher of the time did reliably.

Thanks!



Post# 707637 , Reply# 13   10/6/2013 at 20:12 (3,843 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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Sandy, sorry to disappoint, but the KD-10 did not appear on the market until very late in 1953.  Previous to that you were at the mercy of the "electric sink" manufacturers.


Post# 707643 , Reply# 14   10/6/2013 at 20:20 (3,843 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Mark:

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What's up with that?

KitchenAid has always beat its chest about the KD-10 coming out in '49.

And I'm pretty sure Hotpoint had an undercounter model in the late '40s:

www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/T...


Post# 707647 , Reply# 15   10/6/2013 at 20:33 (3,843 days old) by Kenmore71 (Minneapolis, MN)        

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Sandy, after consulting another oracle, I have determined that you are correct! :)

 

The KD-10 was indeed introduced in April of 1949 and was produced until April of 1955.  

 

The one copy of a manual that I have for a KD-10 was dated 1954 and I then jumped to conclusions....bad me!

 

I don't doubt that hotpoint has an undercounted model available in the late 1940s.  But really....an impeller machine against a Hobart machine???


Post# 707648 , Reply# 16   10/6/2013 at 20:38 (3,843 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
AHA!

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So, the next time I'm building a Truman-era kitchen, I can put in a KD-10 to go with the RK-70.

Which will happen about the time Congress is composed entirely of rational, reasonable people.

P.S.: Here's the cover for the introductory brochure for the KD-10:


Post# 707692 , Reply# 17   10/7/2013 at 06:16 (3,843 days old) by frigidaireguy (Wiston-Salem, NC)        
KD-10

My Mother got her KD-10 sometime in 1950. It was a "Stand Alone" model with the gravity drain. Lasted until around 1969 or 1970. Definitely a workhorse.
Bob


Post# 707700 , Reply# 18   10/7/2013 at 07:25 (3,843 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
By the Way, Mark:

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I think two of those RK-3D apartment ranges flanking an RK-70 would be just the ticket. Just think:

Ten burners and four ovens, and a total width of eighty inches.

Puts a Roper Town & Country to shame, that does. ;-)


Post# 707958 , Reply# 19   10/8/2013 at 12:46 (3,842 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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There's a very similar range for sale around here (with newer style handles).



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Post# 707970 , Reply# 20   10/8/2013 at 13:36 (3,842 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Interesting!

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Looks like Frigidaire may have carried this styling over for a couple of years - there are detail changes seen on this one that aren't on the 1949 service manual's photo of the RM-45. The oven handles are one, but this unit's storage drawer also has the full-width garnish molding first seen on the 1948 RK-70 - but not on the RM-45. The Radiantubes seen on this unit mean it's definitely post-1948. This is also most assuredly a single-oven unit, as evidenced by the single oven vent (the round disc-shaped object on the backsplash).

Having been around an RK-70 for seventeen years, I can tell you: You will never find a more solid piece of cooking equipment. That thing made a Buick of that era seem flimsy.


Post# 707980 , Reply# 21   10/8/2013 at 14:07 (3,842 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
The Plot Thickens....

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Below is a link to a Shelton-Mason County Journal (Washington state) advertisement from June 2, 1949; it shows the RK-70 - listed by that specific model number - that we've established was a 1948 model. It could be that the advertiser, the Lumbermen's Mercantile Company, had some '48s still in the pipeline. That $329.75 price is equal to $3,133.00 today - very expensive.

Anyway, it's curious that 1948 models were being pushed six months into 1949....

smc.stparchive.com/Archive/SMC/SM...


Post# 760336 , Reply# 22   5/29/2014 at 22:46 (3,608 days old) by mikael3 (Atlanta)        
I want those cabinets...

... in that ad that Sandy posted in 707611 above. I don't recognize them, though. What are they, and what are those fabulous-looking little cubby holes underneath?

Post# 797839 , Reply# 23   12/7/2014 at 09:41 (3,417 days old) by beejay ()        
RM-45 switch

I have a 1949 RM-45 which recently smoked one of its Radiantube switches (Part #5422663). Twenty years ago, the same thing happened to one of the other switches and I was able, at that time, to find a replacement switch. But today, even with the Internet, I've been unsuccessful in locating a new one. If anyone has crossover part numbers or leads on where I might search, it would be greatly appreciated. My wife loves cooking with it and I'd like to keep it going. By the way, except for a brief hiatus in the '70s, this unit has been in constant service since its manufacture. Quite a testament to the days when things were built to last.
Sandy, where is the RM-45 pictured in post# 707970 above?


Post# 797855 , Reply# 24   12/7/2014 at 11:31 (3,417 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Bill:

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The photo I posted above is a Craigslist photo that's like eighteen months old - long gone.

If you are trying to find a parts donor, Craigslist is where it will turn up. Posting a Wanted to Buy ad on the Shopper's Square forum is a good way to alert others who look at CL, and might spot a donor range for you.

You will need to pay attention to one factor mentioned in the posts earlier in this thread - the 1949 RM-45 was a re-use of the TOL 1948 RK-70 design, and one of the major changes was that the RM-45 used Radiantubes instead of the thinner interwound burner elements found on the RK-70. What this means is that the switch may have changed as well, so you need the opinion of an expert like Mark kenmore71 before purchasing any unit that does not use Radiantubes.

Hope this helps a little.



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