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Copper Chambers built ins! CHEAP!!
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Post# 713314   11/5/2013 at 03:00 (3,823 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        

These would need total restoration, but man if they were closer!! Someone needs to save them!


Post# 713316 , Reply# 1   11/5/2013 at 03:06 (3,823 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Dont ask me!

How THAT got there, thats some of Donalds stuff...let me try again!

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Post# 713354 , Reply# 2   11/5/2013 at 11:53 (3,823 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)        
we have these....

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at our VT place, except our cooktop is the smaller version without the center griddle.

Post# 713482 , Reply# 3   11/6/2013 at 02:42 (3,822 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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I love the whole kitchen set up, knotty pine and all!


Are these copper colored there is so much dust I can't see the color.


Post# 713525 , Reply# 4   11/6/2013 at 11:06 (3,822 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)        
Here's the smaller version

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of the cooktop (we've since found the missing knob!). This pic shows the original type of daisy burners, but the RF one is converted to a Plane of Flame type for about 30% hotter output. No griddle/broiler in the center. They also made an intermediate 33" version, and the Big One w/ griddle was 42" wide - wider than a 40" range. We had one but deemed it too large.

We also have the copper oven, a NOS electric version that we found in Indiana, and which still has the wrapping paper on the oven racks and broiler pan! Both should be operational by next summer.

Post# 713541 , Reply# 5   11/6/2013 at 13:02 (3,822 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        

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Love Copper!

Post# 713564 , Reply# 6   11/6/2013 at 16:13 (3,822 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)        

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cooktops had stainless steel tops, while all of the copper free-standing ranges had chrome plated ("DuraChrome"... not) tops, which now frequently need to be redone.

Post# 713592 , Reply# 7   11/6/2013 at 19:33 (3,822 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
WHY, Oh Why Oh Why....

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....Would anyone gut that kitchen? Why does it never occur to people that cleaning and refinishing and restoring such a one would give them something better - to say nothing of far more unique - than anything on the market today?

Here's a photo for the Archives:

Post# 713643 , Reply# 8   11/7/2013 at 05:57 (3,821 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Oddly enough...

I love it, but that copper would cost a fortune to re do, I would jump on these if they were stainless or a color.

Post# 713711 , Reply# 9   11/7/2013 at 15:09 (3,821 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)        
Re-doing the copper

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is possible, somebody over at had their panels redone and had them up for sale, having decided to not finish their project - a Model C range iirc. Not sure what it cost them, but not too bad if memory serves. Must admit the copper looks just perfect with that knotty pine... Sandy's right, why on earth change it out?

Post# 713712 , Reply# 10   11/7/2013 at 15:11 (3,821 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)        

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I don't think the separates ever came in colors, at least I've never seen any, and they're not shown in any of the brochures I have.

Post# 713761 , Reply# 11   11/7/2013 at 19:22 (3,821 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
I have seen

Them in white, but thats all.

Post# 713882 , Reply# 12   11/8/2013 at 09:52 (3,820 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)        
One of the really nice features

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of the Chambers In-A-Wall oven is that, like here, one could opt to install it NOT IN a wall. They came with a highly insulated stainless top that allowed one to install it on top of a 24" base cabinet but leave the top completely exposed, creating a large shelf, or part exposed with a shallower cabinet above, as in this picture, still leaving a smaller shelf for clutter and dirty dishes as shown.

We installed ours flush in a wall to both sides with the stainless shelf left completely open above, very useful as a plate warmer.

Post# 716460 , Reply# 13   11/20/2013 at 09:36 (3,808 days old) by sarahperdue (Alabama)        
Knotty pine

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Can make for a very, very dark kitchen. When I was very young, my grandmother's kitchen was varnished knotty pine. Early in my childhood, she had it painted white. I must say that I liked it much better then. It was more cheerful. I'm planning to leave the walls but tear out the cabinets. I'll post more on the Super forum.

So, Sandy, I don't think I would consider tearing out a kitchen like this one--especially with the cool Chambers appliances, but I might paint it white and change the hardware. (both reversible processes--I used to be an historic renovation purist. Now, I've come to think that reversible "improvements" are OK.) Ten years ago, I spent a lot to have two of our original (1950) windows restored. I have always been adamantly against window replacements becuase it can never be undone; however, it recently occurred to me that it can be if one stores the original windows in the attic for the future owner who wants to bring the house right back to original condition.


Post# 716533 , Reply# 14   11/20/2013 at 14:41 (3,808 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
RE Knotty Pine

I LOVE knotty pine cabinets, as much as I love steel, knotty pine would be my second choice, to me they make a kitchen warm and inviting, they look great with copper or coppertone appliancea and red floor and countertops, you cant get more 1950s than that.

Post# 716872 , Reply# 15   11/21/2013 at 16:13 (3,807 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)        
knotty pine...

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has such a warm homey look, we have on in a house we own where our son lives and I'd never touch it, just wish we had knotty pine here! We found the key to having it not too dark is wall paint that is light and cheerful, like a pale yellow or light salmon pink. There's a bunch of threads on Knotty Pine kitchens on:

Post# 716919 , Reply# 16   11/21/2013 at 19:15 (3,807 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
The Trouble With Knotty Pine:

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Is not that it is dark, in and of itself.

The trouble is midcentury wood finishes used on it, which were browny-orange when new, and which darkened with time and UV exposure. The era's heavy cigarette habit didn't help.

If knotty pine is stripped and refinished with today's finishes which are less prone to darkening, it has a very agreeable tone similar to birch.

Even in knotty pine's heyday, there were those who did not like the dark orange-y color. My mother designed the kitchen she wanted after our house burned in January of '59. Knotty pine was the must-have of the moment, but Mom wanted no part of the usual color. She had the cabinets built (it was a time when cabinets were built on-site), and then stained and finished them herself. What she used was a dark walnut stain, and it was very attractive. It also held up better stylistically in the fifteen years after it was built; orange-y knotty pine was looking pretty damn dated by the early '70s. The walls were a light daffodil yellow, counters were turquoise confetti-patterned Formica, and the floor was Armstrong Excelon tile in white with grey and black spatters. So, there was a lot of light and bright color to offset any feeling of gloom from the dark cabinetry.

So - lighter. Or darker. But not the color you usually saw back in the day.

Post# 716934 , Reply# 17   11/21/2013 at 19:45 (3,807 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)        
I actually like...

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that orange-y color, mainly because orange is my fave color! I have a feeling a lot of those knotty pine kitchens ended up looking that way because varnish, which is made from a beetle shell, was used as a coating often back then, and it would darken with age. They didn't have modern polyurethanes. I love the smell of varnish, it was always used on boats back then too.

Post# 716938 , Reply# 18   11/21/2013 at 20:04 (3,806 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Roger (firedome):

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That's exactly what I meant about "midcentury finishes"; they were often varnish.

The other thing about varnish is that nicotine somehow bonds with it, contributing to the darkening if smokers are present, which they nearly always were back then. I have no idea what the chemistry is behind this situation.

Post# 716967 , Reply# 19   11/21/2013 at 22:54 (3,806 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Knotty Pine Kitchen Cabinets

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I do agree with Roger that I don't mind the orange look of old shellac and varnish, as my favorite color is also orange.

The real problem is pine is too soft for cabinets and floors even with today's better finishes. Having had several kitchens with natural finished wood cabinets I can say I would never want them again, I will take high quality laminate over high quality composite material any day for kitchen use.

Post# 717036 , Reply# 20   11/22/2013 at 09:36 (3,806 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)        
soft pine does dent easily...

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but when we call it "patina" that makes it OK! I'm going to need to do sanding & refinishing of son's pine kitchen, it does shows the effects of use since 1955.

I realize that I mis-spoke, it is shellac that was made ffrom beetle shells - duh! - it appears that both varnish and shellac will darken. We put knotty pine walls and ceilings in the kitchen and MBR of our camp in VT, and now wish we'd used varnish or shellac so that it WOULD darken some, it looks too light to me, but it didn't occur to use anything other than poly.

Am hoping to get the Chambers copper cooktop hooked up this spring, we need gas there because electric service is pretty unreliable. Once it went out for 3 days and all the neighbors were at our place in the mornings for coffee!

Post# 717096 , Reply# 21   11/22/2013 at 16:50 (3,806 days old) by sarahperdue (Alabama)        
Soft knotty pine...

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Not all of the knotty pine was soft--at least not down here in timber country. I salvaged from a tornado house here in Tuscaloosa and have done some work on my grandparents house. That knotty pine sets my saw to smoking.

Sandy, that's interesting about nicotine and varnish.


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