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Post# 718100   11/27/2013 at 14:24 (3,789 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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cool in stainless, and that bottom knob is unique as well as the handle with the start button....

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Post# 718101 , Reply# 1   11/27/2013 at 14:25 (3,789 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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ashame they don't make something like this today.....just unusual

Post# 718102 , Reply# 2   11/27/2013 at 14:26 (3,789 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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not big on capacity, but seems efficient...and look at that spray arm.....

Post# 718103 , Reply# 3   11/27/2013 at 14:28 (3,789 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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very clean looking.....but others would know more about one of these.....whats that little screen box in the silverware bin for?...detergent?

Post# 718104 , Reply# 4   11/27/2013 at 14:30 (3,789 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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There doesn't appear to be any tines on the top basket so how is it supposed to be loaded?

Gary


Post# 718106 , Reply# 5   11/27/2013 at 14:36 (3,789 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Wow, looks just like the one Mark and I picked up last Saturday.


Post# 718107 , Reply# 6   11/27/2013 at 14:45 (3,789 days old) by william637 (Damp pants? Not a chance. )        
That is a KD-14, and thanks to Martin, it is mine

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THANK YOU AGAIN MARTIN!

The KD-14 was the last model to have the cast-iron spray arm. There were 3 models, the custom (which is what is pictured above), the imperial (which I have in shaded coffee brown), and the very first Superba Vari-Cycle. The imperial and superba models have a two-position upper rack. Those models also have a "control panel" as opposed to the solid slab door that is on this custom.

Martin, you are correct. The little stainless steel strainer is the detergent cup. That machine should be a water purge, then a 7 minute wash, followed by two rinses (each about a minute and a half). Each portion (purge, wash, rinse, and rinse) takes 2 1/3 gallons, approximately.


Post# 718123 , Reply# 7   11/27/2013 at 16:28 (3,789 days old) by washdaddy (Baltimore)        

Although the capacity looks like it's a little limited I would love to see one of them loaded up and given before and after shots.

Bet that wash arm did a number on dirty dishes.


Post# 718125 , Reply# 8   11/27/2013 at 16:33 (3,789 days old) by washdaddy (Baltimore)        
UHOH it's gone all ready off of CL

either someone grabbed it up all ready or the seller had a sudden change of heart and pulled it

Post# 718143 , Reply# 9   11/27/2013 at 17:38 (3,789 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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Rick

go back a few post....Mark had me snatch this puppy up faster than....well, I can't say that in these parts...but apparently, Mark has me on speed-dial!...lol...what are we looking for next Mark?

what years were these models made, that gravity drain is new to me, never seen one in person....

and your not used to my curse of someone making a mention of a machine, and it 'pops' up around me.....

funny story of this exact machine, I was in this house for an estate sale, putting a bid in for it about 6 months ago.......thru my cousin, I know the children who were selling it, it didn't click until I pulled in the driveway.....it's a small world sometimes....


Post# 718192 , Reply# 10   11/27/2013 at 20:11 (3,789 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c )        
Cast iron wash arm...

When you figure that about 50 gallons a minute of water is being sprayed thru that thing, you bet it will clean!

Post# 718248 , Reply# 11   11/28/2013 at 04:11 (3,788 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
50 gal. per minute

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Post# 718364 , Reply# 12   11/28/2013 at 22:29 (3,788 days old) by washdaddy (Baltimore)        

OOPS ...my bad...congrats to Mark for getting it.

Post# 718365 , Reply# 13   11/28/2013 at 23:15 (3,788 days old) by washdaddy (Baltimore)        

I just got done watching the "Pimped 57 link"......

I'm speechless...my pacemaker has short circuited...and my mind has gone blank!!!

I wouldn't be able to walk away from that window if I were to be standing in front of it while it's running. I dare to think of what the consequences would be if you'd open that cyclonic machine while it's in mid cycle. You won't be dry!!!
I suspected that wash arm was to be reckoned with..... but O.M.G. that sucker could whip up a tornado in a flash. I'm surprised the dishes are still sitting in the racks. That wash arm must take five minutes to stop spinning when it shuts off!


Post# 718386 , Reply# 14   11/29/2013 at 06:05 (3,787 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
Congratulations!

Yes, that wash arm moved a lot of water, but the wash temp was low because that warm up spray did not do a lot to warm up everything. It did help warm up the cast iron pump. The best way to wash really dirty dishes and pans with this is to let it go through the wash and rinses then stop it and advance the timer around to the start position, add more detergent and let it run through the whole cycle. For dirty dishes fresh from the table, the single wash and double rinse do well.

Post# 718448 , Reply# 15   11/29/2013 at 18:19 (3,787 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Kitchenaid KDC-14

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This was the last model KA that looked very much like their first home model, the KD-10. These were made from around 1961-1964.

They did need a good supply of really hot water [ this DW like every previous KA still had no water heater ] and they do not clean dried on and cooked on food the way new DWs do today, but they did move a sufficient amount of water through that cast iron wash-arm. The CI WA actually stops turning very quickly because of the friction between the CI and the Bakelite WA support and we actually did see the WAs and supports wear out on these DWs, KA never could build a really durable wash-arm and WA support.


Post# 719236 , Reply# 16   12/4/2013 at 13:14 (3,782 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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It's the same basic mechanicals as the portable version, which I have, a '58 KD-2P. That one works great, and yes there's a lot of water force. One has to be careful to batten down the hatches, so to speak. Plastic items will go flying. Once I ran it without the racks - the low pitched drumming of the unimpeded water jets on the lid was quite loud and carried a distance.

The upper basket is intended for cups and bowls, not for plates. Plates go in the lower rack.

The one pictured in this thread looks like a beauty - don't see them that often in stainless, and it appears to be in great shape.

Haven't run the KD-2P for at least a year. The hint about prewarming it by running an empty wash cycle is a good one.

I gave away an earlier white model of the front door version last year. It probably needed some work. I never did test it, but I think someone is happy to have it now.


Post# 719251 , Reply# 17   12/4/2013 at 15:18 (3,782 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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since there is a pre-rinse, an overflo port, and gravity drain.....plus no pressure switch...

with good water pressure, and a purged line, this should have a better advantage of preheating before the main wash.....

this thing is a beauty, if I didn't ask Mark first, I think I would keep it for myself.....I can't wait for him to get here, I want to hook it up just to see it run a few cycles...

take away the dry cycle.....but to run a few quick loads thru from breakfast or dinner....this works out to be about a 17 minute cycle.....I could live with something like this....

this falls along the lines of ApplianceLou's Kaiser top load machine.....you can run thru some loads quickly...and be done!


granted the disadvantages of capacity, or dried on foods.....you could adapt very easily...compared to most of todays machines taking an hour or longer....


Post# 719423 , Reply# 18   12/5/2013 at 12:54 (3,781 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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If it works the same as the KD-2P, then the pre-rinse only fills the bottom of the tub - it doesn't spray water up into the racks. It's just to clear out any old dirty water in the sump, and I guess, pre-heat the pump and bottom of cabinet. It's perhaps also because there's no automatic detergent dispensing feature. A full spray pre-rinse would waste the detergent resting in the little strainer.

More modern machines with automatic detergent dispensers can do full spray pre-rinses.




Post# 719439 , Reply# 19   12/5/2013 at 13:48 (3,781 days old) by william637 (Damp pants? Not a chance. )        
I let stuff dry in my KD-2P

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Well, I let it dry by accident. Dumb-ass me forgot to get the right faucet adapter before I filled the unit with Thanksgiving dishes. So, stuff sat for a day and a half. The upper rack was filled with cups that had pumpkin soup dried in them. I don't know what it is about pumpkin, but when it dries, it is like glue. The two modern kitchen aids I have in the kitchen routinely leave this in bowls if it was allowed to dry.

Anyway - everything was removed - and early into the main wash portion of the cycle. I was thoroughly impressed.

The purge is to clear cold water out of the lines leading to the dishwasher (no need to run hot water at the sink first). Then when you consider that each fill is 2 1/3 gallons, that is a lot of thermal mass to start heating up the tank and the dishes. If you have water that is at least 140 degrees, the dishes are sufficiently warm to have removed most grease based soils by the end of the first rinse. That leaves the final rinse to give those "sparkling clean" results.

In my KDI-14 The cycle is a pre-rinse (taking the place of the purge), the main wash, and then three rinses. That is a lot of effin' water for such a small capacity. But I assure you...every thin in that small load is really effin' clean.


Post# 719441 , Reply# 20   12/5/2013 at 13:52 (3,781 days old) by william637 (Damp pants? Not a chance. )        
Martin - you should so hook it up

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If I were you I would go ahead and play with it. I normally put 15 AMP cords on all my dishwashers so I can plug them in anywhere. The dishwasher supply hose kits at home depot and lowe's have adapters so you can use one of the laundry supply spigots in your basement.

As far as draining with a gravity drain dishwasher in a basement - well, that is a little more cumbersome. I usually straddle my machines between two tables, add a 1 1/2" tailpiece to the drain valve, and let all of that flow into a bucket below.

Note you will need a bucket that will hold around 4 gallons, and you will have to be sure to empty it immediately after each drain (or the next one will come around and you will have a huge mess on your hands!)


Post# 719455 , Reply# 21   12/5/2013 at 15:10 (3,781 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey)        

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I'll wait.....I don't want to take that maiden wash away from you.....besides, your more knowledgable of these machines and what to expect.....

in the mean time I will add a cord, and plumbing to the valve....this stuff I already have......and we can set it on top of the portable and let it drain right into the sink...

but that is one heavy little mug.....

is that 'start' button a linkage or wired to the control knob to automatically start the cycle, or do you have to bend down and click it 'on'?.....

and should there have been an insulation blanket of some sort wrapped around it?....although I am sure one can be added....


Post# 719456 , Reply# 22   12/5/2013 at 15:38 (3,781 days old) by william637 (Damp pants? Not a chance. )        
The start button

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I am assuming the KDC has the same sort of two-part starting system as the others.

Turning the handle will throw a lever which in turn releases the timer knob "stop"
positioner at off and advances it about 2-3 degrees. Basically, if you advance the timer manually, you can not advance it past "off" unless you unlatch and re-latch the door.

The "start" button should complete the electrical circuit so everything will fire up. Once again, this is just a guess based on the other models.

None of these units came with insulation. I wondered about that too at first, but the wash cycle is so short, there just isn't that much heat lost due to conduction with air around the unit - especially when it is embedded in a cabinet.

And you are right - those are some heavy units.

I took the drain pump on the stainless steel KD-12 apart the other night. The motor shaft turns freely, and there are no obstructions in the volute. I guess this means that the contacts are bad in the timer, or the motor itself is bad. If anybody else has some better trouble shooting ideas I am all ears.




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