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Avocado Tappan built-ins (including a dishwasher) at ReStore Oakland
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Post# 719618   12/6/2013 at 15:22 (3,792 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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There's even a Tappan vent hood. I really like the oven with the avocado inserts behind the glass!






Post# 719621 , Reply# 1   12/6/2013 at 15:35 (3,792 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
This Reminds Me....

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....Of the days when Tappan appliances were a frequent prize on game shows. They were always made to seem very luxurious then.

Later, of course, they became the bargain-basement shopper's delight.

Post# 719623 , Reply# 2   12/6/2013 at 15:50 (3,792 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)        

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I wish our Habitat got stuff so beautiful. Everything at ours has generally been ridden REAL hard and put away wet.

My brother in law works for Habitat in Denver and they get some beautiful things there as well.

Post# 719630 , Reply# 3   12/6/2013 at 16:37 (3,792 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        

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That dishwasher looks wonderfully unusual; not like anything I've seen before. Would that machine have the huge roller/waterwheel on the bottom?

Post# 719633 , Reply# 4   12/6/2013 at 16:42 (3,792 days old) by appnut (TX)        
Tappan Dishwasher

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As Sandy indicated, these look like they are from the ERA when you'd see them on Let's Make A Deal. That dishwasher is most likely a Tappan Reverse-a-Jet dishwasher. Not the dual-drench from the early 1960s.

Post# 719635 , Reply# 5   12/6/2013 at 16:45 (3,792 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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I think it's too new for that but I don't know much about these. Were the newer ones made by D&M?

Bob, my reply was for Ken's comment. So this is still a Tappan product?

Were these decent performers?

Post# 719640 , Reply# 6   12/6/2013 at 17:25 (3,792 days old) by appnut (TX)        
Were the newer ones made by D&M?

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Phil, the one above was the last of the true Tappan product. One of my best friends from high school dated a girl whose parents' house had these same appliances, in avocado, and the house was built in the very early 1970s. I remember they had a early 1960s SQ set that was beginning to make ominous noises while agitating that made me cringe a bit. First family I'd ever known who had a matching SQ set. It had a peachy type of color on one section of the dial if I remember correctly.

Post# 719641 , Reply# 7   12/6/2013 at 17:26 (3,792 days old) by washdaddy (Baltimore)        

My parents moved into a house in 77 that had that DW. It was an extremely poor performer and mom couldn't get to the store fast enough when she came to that decision to get a replacement.

Post# 719653 , Reply# 8   12/6/2013 at 19:14 (3,792 days old) by jamiel (Detroit, Michigan and Palm Springs, CA)        

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Interesting...that cooktop in coppertone was in the house my folks bought in 1978 (labeled Youngstown-Tappan)...that house was built in 1958 or so with Youngstown appliances and cabinets; when my parents bought it it had that cooktop (with 7 click heats); a newer Hotpoint self-cleaning wall oven, the original 30" dishwasher and the metal cabinets. The dishwasher didn't last a month after we moved in (it was truly pathetic, but the previous owner was a "wash before you wash" type). My mom replaced it with a KA coppertone Imperial (the generation with the short upper arm) and re-did the kitchen in about 1986-7.

Post# 719660 , Reply# 9   12/6/2013 at 20:10 (3,791 days old) by DaveAMKrayoGuy (Oak Park, MI)        
Frequent prize on game shows & seemed so luxurious back then

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Whatever happened to the fancy Wreathed-Crest, written w/ "Cruce Non Prudentia",under it????!!!!--Whatever that means!!!!

-- Dave

Post# 719674 , Reply# 10   12/6/2013 at 21:06 (3,791 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA)        

I think that could be a reversa jet. By the late 70's the models we were putting in our new homes were mid level and sourced by WPool. By the end of the 70's Tappan was sourcing from DM and were not popular with folks paying what we were asking for a "custom home". I put together a strongly suggested upgrade thatincluded a GE Americana double range and pot scrubber. Both are still in use in the house I built for myself.

Post# 719695 , Reply# 11   12/7/2013 at 02:04 (3,791 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Why would some NITWIT replace equipment as nice as that???And replace it with modern CRAP?????These nitwits need to have their pointed heads examined!!

Post# 719726 , Reply# 12   12/7/2013 at 08:54 (3,791 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

They might have replaced it because they were tired of avocado green. Different people see colors differently. Maybe something needed repair and that was the trigger to just get new stuff. Or maybe they had never liked the layout of the kitchen and remodeled or remodeled to make the house more attractive and up to date looking for selling it. Nothing dates a house like the kitchen and bathrooms. Maybe the original owners sold the place and the new owners redid the kitchen with "professional look" appliances that probably won't last as long as these and, if they went with gas cooking, will need more service for those fragile electric ignition systems.

Whatever the reason, they got many decades of use out of these and, with care, someone who likes or can stand avocado can get many more years of service out of at least the cooking appliances if they are working now.

Post# 719737 , Reply# 13   12/7/2013 at 09:11 (3,791 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)        
I am pretty sure that is a reversa jet

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My parents bought our house in Youngstown in 1969. It was new. The neighbors across the street were already there but only by a year or two so that would mean their house was built in 67 or 68. If memory serves me correctly this is the dishwasher they had and I thought it said Reversa Jet on the front somewhere.

It just seems to me their model had more chrome on it but as soon as I saw this photo it really took me back. Maybe it didn't have all the chrome I remembered.

Post# 719905 , Reply# 14   12/8/2013 at 10:03 (3,790 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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The Reverse-a-Jet patent application appeared in 1963. The nice thing about is that features like this have been covered before. So, here's a former discussion with a really a great thread of photos of this dishwasher. I miss those old appliance ads almost as much as the appliance designs(minus the lemons and spotty other flaws).


Post# 719934 , Reply# 15   12/8/2013 at 13:02 (3,790 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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Thanks for finding that thread Phil!


The dishwasher looks like the basic model (61-1111) shown on this image that Peter posted:




Post# 719944 , Reply# 16   12/8/2013 at 13:58 (3,790 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
Bargain Basement

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So true.


Our '77 Monkey Ward microwave turned out to be a Snappan.  Enough said.  To its credit, it was still working fine when sold at the estate sale in 2008, and it had an actual browning element, though that feature never saw any use.


I don't know what it is about that Oakland ReStore.  They get a lot of nice stuff coming through there.


I do know that if one of our members still lived in Oakland, that dishwasher would have likely been irresistible.

Post# 720025 , Reply# 17   12/8/2013 at 21:06 (3,789 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Tappan Appliances

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Tappan continued to use the Revers a-Jet name on their later wash-arm DWs like this one. The lower wash arm had a spring in it and after so many turns in one direction a little part flipped that caused a set of propulsion jets on the ends of the arm to close and an opposite set opened and the arm went the other way for a while. I never saw one that worked, LOL. Tappan DWs were NEVER any good, the best thing they ever did was to source their last units from WP in the late 1970s.

If I had bought the house these appliances were in they would have out the door quickly and not because they were avocado, LOL. That cook-top is a ridiculous design with the controls in the rear and both big burners in the front, I use small burners far more often that big ones. And the wall oven [ probably the best of the three ] does not offer top heat for baking, If one wanted vintage appliances there are much better choices.

Post# 720028 , Reply# 18   12/8/2013 at 21:57 (3,789 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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Sage and free advice - large burners up front? I didn't take notice, focusing on the dishwasher.

Combo52- John, if you never saw one of these dishwashers work, how in Tappan's world did they
sell them with this ill-fated(?) engineering design. After a year's run of failure, wouldn't the customer return them and the news would be out? I can't imagine they managed to sell anything..with a flawed design...but then there was always..

Lets Make a Deal and new mid-priced new homes were the channels of unloading?

Post# 720032 , Reply# 19   12/8/2013 at 22:36 (3,789 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        

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"I do know that if one of our members still lived in Oakland, that dishwasher would have likely been irresistible.'

You're damned right. :-D

Post# 720035 , Reply# 20   12/8/2013 at 23:29 (3,789 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada)        

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John, are the controls on this cooktop really meant to be at the rear? I thought that the two front burners were the 6" ones, not the opposite! I know that some models had two large burners at the front but weren't the controls also at the front on these?

I'm not saying this is any good! I know someone who used to have a late-1960's Tappan cooktop and she told me it caused her a quite a few problems until she decided to replace it about 20 years ago... She still has her wall oven (similar to this one but a few years older I'd say, and no color trim on the oven door) but the door handle broke and had to be replaced.

Post# 720039 , Reply# 21   12/9/2013 at 00:19 (3,789 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Very nice. The oven has the cool side swing door, hinged on the left. Westinghouse had a model like this in the late 1960's.

Post# 720055 , Reply# 22   12/9/2013 at 05:42 (3,789 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
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Ops, I could have goofed on the CK, I had a customer years ago in NW WDC that had an electric Tappan installed this way, but she was also paranoid about her young kids and they may have installed it this way on intentionally, however most Tappan Gas and electric CTs did have the controls in the front around this time.

Tappan Revers a-Jet DWs, I am sure this feature must have worked [ at least in the lab, LOL ] But we only ever saw a few of these DWs around here and what we saw was not good. I would love to have a mint one for the Museum, and this one might work, as these appliances certainly were not used much if at all. It would be a great DW to turn Nate loose with, if you want to get it Nate we will buy it for the museum when you are done [ if it actually works ].

Side-Swing oven doors were a bad idea, you would need to wear elbow pads to keep from burning your arms and can you imagine the disaster of spilling a roast chicken or turkey on yourself while removing it from an oven, Emergency Room, here we come.

Post# 720057 , Reply# 23   12/9/2013 at 06:19 (3,789 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Side-Swing Oven Doors

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My objection to them was that they looked cheap, like someone wanted to emulate the look of something expensive, but wouldn't spend the money to do it right.

I can also see how keeping one off your left arm while rooting around in the oven would be a hassle.

The only benefit I could ever see from them was easier access to the back wall of the oven while cleaning, and there were better ways to accomplish cleaning, like Pull 'n Clean and P*7.

Post# 720062 , Reply# 24   12/9/2013 at 07:04 (3,789 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        
easier access to the back wall of the oven while cleaning

Not to mention lift out panels like the Americana upper ovens offered for a time.

Ads for those Tappan cooktops did show them with the controls at the rear. I don't know if the cooktops could be reverse-mounted and still have the markings on the dials as easily read.

Post# 720215 , Reply# 25   12/9/2013 at 16:50 (3,789 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
It would be a great DW to turn Nate loose with

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For the next "Machines of Ill Repute" installation? :-)

I'll hold out for a more TOL version. If I'm going to put up with cantankerous, I want it to be on a Cadillac, not a Chevrolet.

Where, oh where, is that rapid-advance unit featured on the brochure? ;-)

Post# 720224 , Reply# 26   12/9/2013 at 17:34 (3,789 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Two things.


It appears they want to sell everything as a set.


I'm also curious about whether the items pictured in the linked Flikr album are current.  As I progressed through them, the caption for a toilet sale at the SJ ReStore indicated an end-of-sale date in September.

Post# 720225 , Reply# 27   12/9/2013 at 17:43 (3,789 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
It appears they want to sell everything as a set.

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Sometimes, if you want to make an omelette, you have to break a few eggs. ;-)

Post# 720235 , Reply# 28   12/9/2013 at 19:05 (3,789 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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I'm heading up that direction with Diane this coming weekend for another Urban Ore/Ohmega excursion.  I'll investigate.

Post# 720355 , Reply# 29   12/10/2013 at 11:58 (3,788 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        
"LUSTERLOY"!!!! And a Night Light.

Post #719905, the link has the 4 earth colors and "Lusterloy", which i guess would be brushed chrome or SS in appearance. Thank you both, Peter for the archived scan and Phil for pointing it out. The night light on the TOL is actually a very good idea. alr

Post# 732199 , Reply# 30   2/1/2014 at 08:08 (3,735 days old) by bwoods ()        
not a Reversa-Jet

The dishwasher in the picture was made long after the Reversa-Jet had gone away, sadly.

Sandy hit the nail on the head when he said the Tappans of that era were the bargain basement of appliances. By the early seventies the company that made the innovative Fabulous 400 range and the well engineered, sterling performing Reversa-Jet, had gone down the tubes. It had sold out for "bargain basement" appliance line produced for the masses.

My sister and brother-in-law had this dishwasher. They had a house built in early 1974, and one of the builder's upgrade was the "Wonder Kitchen" which included this dishwasher. So theirs was manufactured either very early '74 or late '73. My brother-in-law often laughed and said he knew why the builder called it the "Wonder Kitchen." It made him "wonder" why he ever bought it to begin with. :)

This D&M dishwasher was even worse than the D&M Modern Maid DW that my parents had. It had an unbelievably cheap plastic center "tower." Really flimsy and toyish looking. My parents Modern Maid occasionally left some little food residue "nibblets" on glassware. My sister's Tappan was guanteed to, on most everything. It didn't scrub worth a darn.

It was cheap appliances like this that gave dishwashers a bad name. People who had never had a dishwasher before would buy a house with crap like this in it, not realizing there were dishwashers out there that could really perform. So they think all dishwashers are bad and all require you rinse virtually every food particle off of dishes. Unfortunately, many people tend to generalize everything instead of looking at the specifics.

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