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Airing Dirty Laundry
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Post# 44780   9/9/2004 at 22:41 (7,164 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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While I usually do most of my wash on sunday morning, I sometimes have a mini mid-week wash-evening,

Not to air dirty laundery, but here are tonights loads, #1:

Post# 44781 , Reply# 1   9/9/2004 at 22:42 (7,164 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        
Load Number 2

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Second Wash:

Post# 44782 , Reply# 2   9/9/2004 at 22:43 (7,164 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        
And Finally

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Load #3:

Post# 44784 , Reply# 3   9/9/2004 at 22:45 (7,164 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        
Most Importantly

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The KitchenAid KD-15 dishwasher I found a few weeks ago had a terrible leak. It turns out it was the motor shaft/pump seal which luckly is still available. I picked up one today and it washed its premier load tonight!

Now that the mechanics are done, I have to work on the Plexiglass situation for this dishwasher.

Post# 44786 , Reply# 4   9/9/2004 at 23:54 (7,164 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Awesome looking dishwasher - how did it do? Isn't that great when parts are still available? I just love ripping open those plastic bags!

I usually wash one evening a week and more on Sunday AM (kind of like washer-church!) to get sheets out on the line early.

Post# 44803 , Reply# 5   9/10/2004 at 07:58 (7,163 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Now THAT'S the kind of airing of dirty laundry I like (very much). I can hear that Bendix now. Thanks for the pic of the "new" SQ.

Post# 44808 , Reply# 6   9/10/2004 at 08:28 (7,163 days old) by lesto (Atlanta)        

Love the shot of the 52 Whirlpool. I haven't heard you mention Mr. Whirly in a long time.

Post# 44809 , Reply# 7   9/10/2004 at 08:32 (7,163 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Hint Taken

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Needed: One KD-14 demo door!!

Post# 44810 , Reply# 8   9/10/2004 at 08:34 (7,163 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        
KitchenAid Performance

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It washed everything spotless, no rejects, although its not the quietest of dishwashers that for sure. Its louder than both the Frigidaire and Apex, but still quiter than the James. I'm not sure if the heater element is working, the heater assembly itself did not get hot, but the fan runs, yet the dishes were dry, go figure.

Its a nice machine with a wonderful vintage looking control panel, I wonder if this dishwasher needs to become pink???

Post# 44811 , Reply# 9   9/10/2004 at 08:35 (7,163 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        
Needed: One KD-14 demo door!!

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I'm sure you get right on that :)

Post# 44815 , Reply# 10   9/10/2004 at 10:04 (7,163 days old) by Brent-Aucoin ()        
Great Pictures!

I just love your Philco-Bendix combo!

Post# 44816 , Reply# 11   9/10/2004 at 10:21 (7,163 days old) by lesto (Atlanta)        

Robert, next time you snap a pic of a load in the 58 Speed Queen how about using the red coronado agitator? It looks cool.

Post# 44823 , Reply# 12   9/10/2004 at 12:40 (7,163 days old) by tlee618 ()        

It was so nice to see some of your machines in action again Robert. I agree with Brent, I love the Bendix. That Kitchen Aid is just beautiful. Hope you can get some kind of glass front for it so we can see the "ACTION' .

Post# 44825 , Reply# 13   9/10/2004 at 14:04 (7,163 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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The water heater in the tub or the heater in the drying fan assembly? I'll check the cycle chart to see when the water heater runs, I suspect it's only during the main wash and final rinse. Are there any pauses in those cycles?

Post# 44827 , Reply# 14   9/10/2004 at 14:24 (7,163 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        
No Water Heater

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Hi Greg, the Imperial Model does not seem to have a water heater, I believe that was only in the Superba, but I'm guessing here. I was talking about the heater in the dryer fan assembly. I have to check it and see if it heats, the unit felt cool, yet the dishes were dry. No there are no pauses in the cycle that I heard.

Post# 44834 , Reply# 15   9/10/2004 at 15:56 (7,163 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Wonderful action pics...and there's that familiar purple striped shirt again, which I'm so accustomed to seeing in the videos!

Post# 44839 , Reply# 16   9/10/2004 at 17:48 (7,163 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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You're right, I was at work and sort of wondering aloud. Only the Superba had the water heater - just like in the 16,17 series in later years. You should have a 900-1000 watt heater for drying, the one in my KDS-18 works great.

Post# 44843 , Reply# 17   9/10/2004 at 18:20 (7,163 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Also, how is the turnover in the SQ?

Post# 44860 , Reply# 18   9/10/2004 at 21:22 (7,163 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
sheets on the line early

What, the sheets aren't being dried in a vintage dryer?! :-)

Post# 44862 , Reply# 19   9/10/2004 at 22:54 (7,163 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Ugh, I remember how noisy those KAs can be. Particularly at certain points during fill & drain when the pump is really soundling like a jet plane. But during the full-water fill water circulations, it was quite soothing. It's only when it does the partial fill is it pretty noisy. And the James is LOUDER?? Oh my!!!

Post# 44864 , Reply# 20   9/10/2004 at 23:13 (7,163 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        
But the sounds are wonderful

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One of my biggest gripes with that modern dishwasher in our Kitchen (and its days are numbered) is how quiet it is, what fun is that if you can't hear it? Although with its two hour cycle, that's probably a good thing. If I like this KitchenAid I will take out the Modern dishwasher and install the KA in its place. Between the KA and the '56 Frigidaire in the Kitchen that is all we would ever need. Now if I could only find room to install the Apex Dish-a-Matic in the Kitchen too, that would make three upstairs.

Post# 44872 , Reply# 21   9/11/2004 at 06:03 (7,162 days old) by pulsator-power (connecticut)        
mini wash in

Robert, did you save all the dark clothes for the weekend loads? What machines are you going to wash them in?

Have you gotten a chance to get some of te other machines going from the last trip you went on where the Wizard (pig) came from?

Post# 44895 , Reply# 22   9/11/2004 at 16:15 (7,162 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Hi Jerry, yes it was just a midweek wash of towels and sheets.

No with all the work on the website, the other machines are still waiting to be worked on. I started on the Kelvinator and plan on finishing it up in a few weeks when things are not so hectic around here.

Post# 44899 , Reply# 23   9/11/2004 at 18:06 (7,162 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)        

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Which Kelvinator?

Post# 44916 , Reply# 24   9/11/2004 at 23:16 (7,162 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        
Which Kelvinator?

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Hi Peter, the Top-of-the-Line Kelvinator model I got in Tulsa.

Post# 44924 , Reply# 25   9/12/2004 at 01:53 (7,162 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Which Kelvinator?

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Hi Robert,
This looks like a real great little washin from above. The Kelvinator will realy make the party!

Post# 44931 , Reply# 26   9/12/2004 at 07:56 (7,161 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        
Early Kenmore

Why were the tubs so deep or lower in the early Kenmores than in the later ones? Seems that a short petite housewife would have a little trouble reaching down in there

Post# 44941 , Reply# 27   9/12/2004 at 11:55 (7,161 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        

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The timer and other controls had to be mounted in the cabinet at that time. I guess they didn't have to be, but that was the state of technology back then. Once controls moved to a rear console, this issue went away.


Post# 44945 , Reply# 28   9/12/2004 at 14:34 (7,161 days old) by golittlesport (California)        

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I'm not sure why the tubs were lowered like that...but Robert's Whirlpool in the picture has controls on a rear console.

Post# 44954 , Reply# 29   9/12/2004 at 20:31 (7,161 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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I'm not exactly sure why the basket is so far down in the early Whirlpool and Kenmore machines. As MRB said might have something to do with the very first models having the timer on the front of the cabinet. Even though my machine is the 2nd design with the control on the rear console, maybe they didn't want to spend the money to retool in order to bring the baseplate up. Who knows what they were thinking.

Post# 44961 , Reply# 30   9/12/2004 at 21:47 (7,161 days old) by golittlesport (California)        

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...and they produced both the "deep-dish" style and the raised-tub style simultaneously for a few years. I have an old Sears catalog (1953 I think) that has the front-mounted controls on the lower priced washer and the frog-eye big-lid higher priced model that not only had the tub raised but had a rubber strip between the cabinet opening and the D-shaped metal tub guard. Probably as you said, Robert...a new design style phase in.

Post# 45211 , Reply# 31   9/16/2004 at 19:08 (7,157 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Does Neal ever use your vintage machines for his laundry or are they "off-limits?" Also, does he have any favorites?

Post# 45237 , Reply# 32   9/17/2004 at 08:41 (7,156 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Austin, I do all the laundry in our house and Neal mows the grass and shovels the walk. Its a perfect trade off, I hate hot weather and cannot stand mowing grass so I would much prefer doing laundry in the nice cool basement.

When I'm out of town for what ever reason, if Neal needs to do a load of wash he uses the Harmony set.

Post# 45256 , Reply# 33   9/17/2004 at 14:01 (7,156 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        
Poor Neal

All those immaculate vintage machines and he doesn't even get to play with'em. At least he cuts the grass which I like to do as well.

Post# 45259 , Reply# 34   9/17/2004 at 15:58 (7,156 days old) by westytoploader ()        
Hot down here...

I like to mow the yard as well, but only with the riding mower...;)

It's practically unbearable to be outside with that Texas summer weather (100+ temperatures and especially now the high humidity/heat index), so needless to say I'm doing most of the washing and vacuuming.

To get back on subject, did 1970's Norge/Wards washers (such as the Fedders Norge in GregM's collection) have indexing tubs?

Post# 45260 , Reply# 35   9/17/2004 at 16:31 (7,156 days old) by DADoES (TX,U.S. of A.)        

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Hmph. I have to mow and trim my own yard. It's not quite big enough to justify a riding mower (and I seriously need the exercise anyway). I did pull out all the old shubbery earlier this year so I don't have to trim all that stuff every few months.

I don't recall that the two Catalina machines within my experience had indexing baskets.

Post# 45262 , Reply# 36   9/17/2004 at 16:48 (7,156 days old) by fixerman ()        

I don't believe any of the Norge design machines had indexing tubs. The brake is applied during agitation.

Post# 45263 , Reply# 37   9/17/2004 at 18:10 (7,156 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN)        
Riding mowers

I have a tractor too. It's fun to sit on that thing and drive. So I do the laundry, vac, and mowing at my house. I'm a (not for long) single guy and I gotta do it.

Post# 45266 , Reply# 38   9/17/2004 at 19:00 (7,156 days old) by westytoploader ()        

I'm itching to find a Norge-designed machine in Houston...might need to take a little trip out to Crosstimbers again for an inventory check...;-)

The problem is they're practically bulletproof (judging by the Signature machines on eBay from time to time; used for years and still in excellent working/cosmetic condition), IMO, which obviously makes them H-A-R-D to find out here.

I would absolutely LOVE to find a Montgomery Ward portable by Norge, but that's pretty much a dream now...

Post# 45271 , Reply# 39   9/17/2004 at 20:25 (7,156 days old) by agiflow-action ()        

The Norge we had(Fedders)the tub would spin a couple of revolutions at the beginning of agitation until it locked into place.At the end of a cycle you would be able to turn the basket by hand until the brake locked it into place.


Post# 45288 , Reply# 40   9/17/2004 at 22:41 (7,156 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Pat, once Norge came out with the perforated tubs, they all did that rotation until it locked.

Post# 45290 , Reply# 41   9/17/2004 at 23:07 (7,156 days old) by agiflow-action ()        

I remember with the Norge machine,you could see the suds between the two tubs building up.Don't ever remember a suds lock though.Very beefy washers.

Post# 45291 , Reply# 42   9/17/2004 at 23:15 (7,156 days old) by agiflow-action ()        
Norge washers

Hi Bob (Appnut)One question about the Fedders/Norge machines.
Fedders didn't change the mechanics of the machine when they put them into production did they? I mean apart from cosmetic differences,they seem to look like the late sixties Borg washers. One more question,what year did Fedders buy Norge from Borg-Warner?


Post# 45561 , Reply# 43   9/22/2004 at 00:12 (7,152 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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That I'm not sure about. Maybe 1969 or 1970.

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