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Vintage Stainless steel KitchenAid Superba by Hobart Dishwasher - $200 (bloomfield hills)
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Post# 724053   12/31/2013 at 08:57 (3,366 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        

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Was this posted in another area? Will delete if dup...

Ad mentions owners are giving it $200 (?!)

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Post# 724115 , Reply# 1   12/31/2013 at 15:52 (3,365 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0600-CST.))        
He's full of S#it on the price.

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But it is a very good DW.


Post# 724448 , Reply# 2   1/2/2014 at 04:23 (3,364 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

The seller is acting like it's still brand new, unused. It'll sit and sit until he comes down on the price. Isn't this a TOL model?

Post# 732930 , Reply# 3   2/4/2014 at 22:24 (3,330 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        
PRICE Drop - KDS-16 now $150

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Lowered by $50. Not sure if it's a TOL; very nice unit

CLICK HERE TO GO TO ovrphil's LINK on Detroit Craigslist

Post# 732953 , Reply# 4   2/5/2014 at 00:13 (3,330 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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Makes you wonder if it's coming out of that same house the vintage Tappan microwave was in . The one Cory tried to get and they "junked"... Bloomfield Hills again.

Post# 735119 , Reply# 5   2/14/2014 at 01:32 (3,321 days old) by mom11 (Dundee, MI)        
contacted seller

I just joined this group tonight because I'm trying to find a vintage Kitchenaid dishwasher. I'm in the Detroit area and I saw his ad. I contacted him last night. It's still available, it's in his garage (MICE!) and he doesn't even know if it works because it wasn't hooked up when they moved in. Is there a fair price to take a chance on it? I am not a repair person. Just a mom sick of wimpy current dishwashers. Longing for that old power. Would love you all to advise.
Thank you so much for any help and recommendations.

Post# 735342 , Reply# 6   2/15/2014 at 00:33 (3,320 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.)        
Since no one else is stepping up

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..and, right off the bat, I have no idea what a fair price is to take a chance on it, since that depends on your budget -- but some thoughts.

We had that dishwasher when I was a kid. It is noisy and has to be loaded so as not to block the spray from the one wash arm, but it will get the job done. A lot of people here love them.

There are some threads on the board about repair of older KA dishwashers. One link is below.

Generally, it seems that people have a hard time finding any repair person to work on machines this old. Also, you won't be able to order very many parts, if any, off the shelf.

So, unless you want to take a risk that it will work with no issues, you might look for somewhat newer, lightly used machines that you can get a service man for if needed.


Post# 735343 , Reply# 7   2/15/2014 at 00:40 (3,320 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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The ad is now 2 months old. Offer him 50-75 cash to take it away. Leave your number if he doesn't accept it right away.. He may just call back.

Post# 735447 , Reply# 8   2/15/2014 at 14:10 (3,319 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT)        

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KDS-16 is ~1968 to '72, $50 as-is would be fair (just don't tell them that the stainless steel panel set, which is fairly rare for the 16 series, is worth $50 in that condition!)

Post# 735492 , Reply# 9   2/15/2014 at 18:19 (3,319 days old) by mom11 (Dundee, MI)        
this KA or this other GE

Wow, this is rather scary. There is also this vintage ge available just over an hour from me. But I read on another thread here that they were less reliable. If I were to choose which would be the better choice? Also, to add to the mix, I looked at a KDS 15 yesterday. They don't know if it works. Same story: ripped it out before they moved in the house. But it passed inspection. It looked good but she wouldn't take a penny less than $100. I thought that was a lot for a dishwasher that may be broken and would be impossible to get parts and service for. So....what do the experts here say.
Thanks so much. I have learned so much already from this group. Makes me want to go learn how to be an appliance repair gal just so I can keep myself in vintage appliances. The link for the vintage ge is below. There is also a thread on here about it but i don't know how to pull that up for you.

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Post# 735496 , Reply# 10   2/15/2014 at 18:42 (3,319 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Hi Mom!

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Couldn't resist saying that!

I own a KitchenAid KDS-55, which is the portable version of the KDS-15. I have a few tips:

- These are somewhat harder to find certain parts for than later machines, it is true. But parts are not unobtainium. If you want to use one of these machines, it can be done.

- Later machines have some refinements in the racking system that you would probably find appealing - more adjustability, etc.

- $100 is not out of the question for a machine that is in really good shape, meaning working, no rust in the sump (the depression in the middle of the floor where the wash arm and filter are located), and no leaks. It is out of the question for a machine with a problem or two, because you'll spend a fair amount of money fixing it. Rust in the sump is Not. Good. and I personally would pass the machine up, though there are folks here who have fought sump rust and won.

- The KDS-15 is one of the very few appliances that has EVERY item of sales and service literature available on's sister site, Automatic Ephemera. The sales brochure, the installation instructions, the owner's manual, the complete parts list and the technician's service manual (the same one issued to Hobart techs back when these machines were new) are all available for download at a modest cost per item. Highly recommended. Other machines also have most literature available.

- The KDS-16 in the Craigslist ad represents a significant advance over the KDS-15. I just happen to love 15-series machines.

- Whatever vintage KitchenAid you choose, you will have to learn self-reliance when it comes to repairs. You've already learned that regular appliance repair people don't want to fool with them. People here on will help any way they can, and trust me - they can. You really need to get a service manual and a parts list for whichever KA you end up with from Automatic Ephemera. Go to and look up "KitchenAid"; you'll probably find what you need there.

Hope something in here helps.

Post# 735569 , Reply# 11   2/15/2014 at 23:30 (3,319 days old) by mom11 (Dundee, MI)        
gonna do it!

Well, wish me luck, fellas. I'm going out to have a look-see tomorrow night on the stainless kds 16. If I do get it the 1st thing I'm going to do is download all the materials on this site. Well, that's actually the 2nd thing I'll do. The 1st would be to come here, do a happy dance, and celebrate my new baby. I'm trying not to get my hopes up too high. The hubs is, lets just say, a might less enthusiastic about my love for vintage appliances. I think it almost disappoints him that my 1953 Frigidaire range and my little pink 1957 ge fridge chug along so much more faithfully than any other appliances we've ever owned. And that's saying a lot. Thanks again for all the wisdom. I'm going to need it. :)

Post# 735582 , Reply# 12   2/16/2014 at 00:59 (3,319 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        
I like this gal!

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Wishing you loads of luck. Now that you had to bring the range and frige into the conversation, you know you'll have to show off some pics when you can. Even better, hopefully pics including the 16 where it belongs!



Post# 735659 , Reply# 13   2/16/2014 at 13:22 (3,318 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        

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I wish you well with acquiring the KDS-16 and putting it back into service. Whatever happens when you get the machine home, don't despair. We have a member here whose screen name is stevet; he knows stuff about vintage KitchenAids that the manufacturer doesn't even remember. He's also very knowledgeable about parts sources.

So far as hubs is concerned, there's many a man who would be thrilled to be married to someone who is happy with things that are still working well even if they're not new - and who's willing to do her own wrenching if they give a bit of trouble! He'll come around, trust me.

Again, good luck, and please keep us posted on your adventures. Because you are going to have adventures, LOL.

Post# 735742 , Reply# 14   2/16/2014 at 22:33 (3,318 days old) by mom11 (Dundee, MI)        
I Got It!!!

I'm so excited. I took the advise above and I sheepishly offered him $50 saying I was afraid I would't be able to find parts or service for it if it didn't work. He actually agreed quite quickly and eagerly just to get it out of his garage. I was so surprised. So I picked it up tonight because we're getting another 3-6" of snow on top of the who-knows-how-many-feet we already have on the ground.

And, I gotta say, she's even more beautiful in real life than she is in the pictures. It was dark out but even in just the light of the garage she was a shining away there. He even had all the original paperwork from the original owners with it. A big envelope called "Owner's literature" which included owners manual, instruction sheet for switching out the front panels, pamphlet about the dishwashers and other kitchenaid appliances available for that year, service contract (which, interestingly, is with "General Electric Co. Michigan District")and a little gold card written to "the plumber who installs this unit" from Hobart about how to hook it up.

I can't wait to get her in place. Before I do that I have to remove the one I have in there. Now that is another story. Sad one, not in the mood for it now. But the only question left for the night is: What should I name her?
All of my vintage babies have names. My fridge is Flossie, My Electric range is Fannie, My gas range is Aunt Tilly, my wringer washer is Bertie, etc. Right now I have it narrowed down to either "Kitty" or "Miss Kay". I like Kitty a lot but we do have cats so confusion is inevitable. So it will probably end up being Miss Kay. I just think that "Kitty the Kitchenaid" just rolls off the tongue so nicely. I kinda thought "Sassy" might be a contender, too. A Sassy 16." You know she's gonna be loud and she's mighty uppity looking in that shiny stainless steel coat. We'll see if she cops a 'tude.

Thank you , thank you, thank you so much, guys. I need to have one of my kids take pictures and put them up. I am a true dinosaur. No smart phone, no texting. But I gotta show you all this. Good night all

Post# 735765 , Reply# 15   2/17/2014 at 02:38 (3,318 days old) by washdaddy (Baltimore)        
Lisa, Welcome and congratulations on a great score!

Hope all checks out well with "Miss Kay" once you get her installed and that there aren't any issues with her. But as Sandy mentioned earlier, SteveT is your go to expert for any concerns you may have about Miss Kay.

You could not have found a better site to find out information and share your joy in owning vintage appliances. The people on this site are a phenomenal group and are always willing to help out with whatever you need to know.

By all means, when you get the chance the gang here would love to see some pictures of all your girls.

And lastly, you are a "Mom of 11"? You must be one busy woman! Kudos to you.

Have Yourself a Great Day!

Post# 735778 , Reply# 16   2/17/2014 at 05:41 (3,318 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        

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I'm so glad you closed the deal, and I'm impressed that you got the price down so far. Way to go!

As you say, the thing to do now is to get the old one out and this one in. I have a suggestion, one born of experience:

Take your time. If there is something going on in your life that needs the kitchen (family reunion, kid's birthday party, etc.), put this new goodie aside until afterward. Don't impose a deadline and then drive yourself crazy trying to meet it if the dishwasher has an issue or two. That's when parts break, bad decisions get made and family tensions rise.

If you'll take your time, you'll do it right. You'll also have plenty of time to consult with the experts here if issues come up.

Again, congratulations, and we'll want to hear how it all goes.

Post# 735973 , Reply# 17   2/17/2014 at 22:33 (3,317 days old) by mom11 (Dundee, MI)        
Miss Kay is in!

Well, the whiney old girl is whirring away now. Everything seems to be working just fine. There is just one little bit of moisture, literally 4 or 5 drops throughout the whole regular cycle, coming from the yellow plastic square piece where the water intake connection is. It is absolutely not the intake valve at all. From the area behind the 4 screws on the brass on yellow box thingy.

It really was so very little that if it only does 4 drops per cycle should I mess with it? The dishes were really clean but a little musty smelling from the machine sitting unused for who knows how long.

I'm trying to add a picture here but I am not great at this computer thing much either. I am trying to send this from a tablet.

Post# 735976 , Reply# 18   2/17/2014 at 22:50 (3,317 days old) by ovrphil (N.Atlanta / Georgia )        
You did it, already...

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congrats, you got Miss Kay up and running quickly - someone here is going to advise you, who knows, whether you should address that leak. In my no-experience-compared-to-others-here opinion, I'd be interested in knowing what's leaking and just fix it before it decides to mimic "big-bang" theory. When you take pics, just save in folder, and when posting, choose file(where you'll be able to grab the .jpg (I presume) and include it, then preview and post it. Good luck - looking forward to seeing some photos of exterior, interior and leak area for the others to comment upon.

Post# 735977 , Reply# 19   2/17/2014 at 22:52 (3,317 days old) by mom11 (Dundee, MI)        
Picture of damp thing

This is the best picture of the leaky part. Like I said, 4 or 5 drops the whole reg. cycle. It's leaking from behind the 4 screws that are screwed into the brass plate on the yellow squarish thing. Is it worth digging around or should I leave well enough alone for now. And will I be able to get that part. Oh, and what is the part's name. Thanks so much ya'll for all of your encouragement. I never thought I'd find a group of people who would fuss over these old beasts like me.

Post# 736014 , Reply# 20   2/18/2014 at 06:44 (3,317 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
Yep, Fix It!

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Little leak now means big leak later.

Your finish flooring and subfloor will thank you for the time and effort you put in on attending to this.

Besides, it will be far more pleasant to deal with this now and know that the dishwasher is 100% than it will be to deal with a flood later. Even if the leak never increased (not likely), bear in mind what a few drops here and there can do over time to the floor of the cabinet under a sink.

Post# 736017 , Reply# 21   2/18/2014 at 07:19 (3,317 days old) by carmine (Detroit)        

I'm in the Detroit area and just bought that water valve about a year ago for my KDS-19. It was around $30-40. Inter-City applaince in Centerline, MI had it, but I'll bet you can find it cheaper and friendlier elsewhere.

Post# 736024 , Reply# 22   2/18/2014 at 07:57 (3,317 days old) by mom11 (Dundee, MI)        
Thank you

O.k. Thanks for the advise on the leak. So now I should find the part. So I am assuming it is the yellow plastic part that is leaking because I tightened the 4 brass screws. 2 were a little loose but not much. So is the yellow part called a "water valve"? I checked Inter-city Appliance
Centerline reviews and they were pretty bad. How do you go about asking other places if they have the part. Do you give the model # kds 16 and then "water valve" or do you need to have the specific part name. If so how do I find that?

Thanks again
Oh, someone said SteveT is the go to man on the kitchenaid dishwashers. How do I find him on a forum like this?

Post# 736056 , Reply# 23   2/18/2014 at 10:03 (3,317 days old) by washdaddy (Baltimore)        
Lisa- to find a member on here... it's actually easy

Make sure you are logged into AW.ORG. After logging in there are a couple of different ways to find out their contact info.

You can either click on their screen name which is highlighted in purple when they have posted on a thread in any of the forum's you have access to. It will bring up their profile which has their e-mail info. provided they posted it there.

Or you can click on the blue "Member's Profiles" link at the top of the forum pages. Than just scroll down the list to the member's profile and click on that to get their info.

Lastly, upgraded members have the capability of messaging each other directly thru this site provided they are both upgraded. Upgraded members have a green circled star next to their screen names.

Definitely get that drip taken care of. This is the place to do it.


Post# 736061 , Reply# 24   2/18/2014 at 10:15 (3,317 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)        
Leaking Inlet Valve

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I would replace the complete valve, Pt# 4170000 still available from WP, inlet valves are often one of the first things to give you problems on vintage appliances and leaks are FLOODS are never welcome.

John L.

Post# 736244 , Reply# 25   2/19/2014 at 04:55 (3,316 days old) by washdaddy (Baltimore)        

Just an fyi... combo52 is another excellent source for info on appliance maintenance and repairs.

They (appliances) are his profession.

Post# 736247 , Reply# 26   2/19/2014 at 05:31 (3,316 days old) by retromania (Anderson, South Carolina)        
Love it!

Is that gorgeous or what?!

Post# 736271 , Reply# 27   2/19/2014 at 07:27 (3,316 days old) by mom11 (Dundee, MI)        
Thank you again!

Thanks again for all the enthusiasm and advice. Someone even knew the exact part # on this old appliance??? There is this place by here called Parts Supply Plus that has never failed us in getting other parts for our more modern machines so I'm going to try that 1st because they're local.

Now, the sad story of why I was in the market for a new (old) dishwasher to begin with starts with a new 10 month old Kitchenaid bought from Sears Warehouse Store. Reg. price $799 got it there with paint chipped off in 2 places for $450. They wanted another $250 I think, for a service contract to keep the thing up and running for 2 years, parts and service. Hubs thought (I agreed)it was ridiculous to pay another $250 for essentially one more year (1st year essentially covered under 1 year manufacturers warranty)to keep a $750 DW running!

Now, for context, we have 8 of our 11 kids ages 7-19 still at home. And our appliances do get a workout. But I treat them well. I so CAREFULLY chose that particular DW because it had the fewest plastic parts and the biggest wheels on the roll out drawers. All areas of breakdown in previous units for us. Even 2 Boschs met untimely deaths because of their pathetic plastic parts and wimpy wheels in our family. So I spent hours on line and an hour and 1/2 in store kicking the tires of all the units to make sure I picked the best of the best they had (that we could afford). 10 months later, 2 repairs later for broken parts and I am done with the thing. The repair guy showed us the food muncher part (a wimpy grinder that wasn't even as strong as the hand masher I used to masher bananas into baby food for my kids)and said, "See? There's food particles in there.(There were 5 pieces of corn). You have to make sure all the plates are completely rinsed or it's not going to be covered next time. It will be $120 next time we have to come out for this.User error." Now you know it advertises all over the place that you can leave food on the plates. Which we don't. But, by that time, we might as well just ad soap to the pre-rinse we do and skip the dw if you have to scrape that thoroughly. So, one of the kids was cheating that day. But seriously? 5 pieces of corn?

We want to sell the house in a year and I need to have newer working appliances in place for that. So...that is how I ended up searching and finding Miss Kay.

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