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Thread Number: 50923
Help needed 1999 (not quite vintage) Amana washer question |
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| Post# 732112 1/31/2014 at 19:03 (3,406 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.) | ||
I am replacing the bearings, spin hub, seals and belt etc. on a (I think) 1999 Amana Automatic Washer. Could anyone PLEASE tell me which direction this 1 1/2" nut is supposed to turn to remove??? This would be looking from the top of the tub down. Does it turn counter-clockwise (lefty loosy) or what? I have soaked it for a week with penetrating oil and it won't budge...
Any help would be appreciated! Rick 
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| Post# 732217 , Reply# 1 2/1/2014 at 10:45 (3,405 days old) by thefixer () | ||
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Counterclockwise | ||
| Post# 732319 , Reply# 2 2/1/2014 at 18:05 (3,405 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.) | ||
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Thank you!
The nut was removed in a counter-clockwise direction after clamping the transmission to the super structure, and putting a 3/4" iron pipe through said super structure onto which I placed my 189 lbs. of human being so that the entire assembly would not rotate. Then by using a 24", 1/2" drive breaker bar with three extensions attached, the nut finally loosned it's grip on the splined shaft. Quick use of an automotive gear puller demolished the spin hub and it was necessary to chisel/pnuematic grinder that off into about thirty pieces, of course supporting it against the outer tub with plywood to as to not cause undo stress on the two shafts. Other than that, it went quite well. Tomorrow, I will begin the task of cleaning everything so that I can bring the parts home Monday night and begin the reassembly. The motor is good and spins freely both directions at both speeds with no side-play so I am hoping to get another fifteen years out of this machine.
Thanks again, Rick | ||
Post# 732417 , Reply# 3 2/2/2014 at 02:11 (3,405 days old) by petek  (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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| Post# 732424 , Reply# 4 2/2/2014 at 05:12 (3,404 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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| Post# 732539 , Reply# 5 2/2/2014 at 19:46 (3,404 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.) | ||
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Well, if you're interested OK.......but, keep in mind...
this ain't a DD Hoover triplet-tub, or a Apex Duo-Matic. Nothin' special like that. It is in fact a 1999 Amana washing machine (I understand built by Speed Queen) and it's just a plain ole' washing machine. Nothing fancy.
I had to dig out some of the parts from the trash as I didn't think anyone would be interested in seeing any part of this...and it's not a restoration, just a repair. So, here's what's left of the spin hub, (BTW, pardon me if my washer language isn't up to you guys' level)seals, and bushing. Believe it or not, I only damaged one spline on the spin shaft, and was able to grind it sorta back in shape so I don't think it will impede the installation of the new hub. 
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| Post# 732541 , Reply# 6 2/2/2014 at 19:53 (3,404 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.) | ||
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| Post# 732542 , Reply# 7 2/2/2014 at 19:54 (3,404 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.) | ||
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| Post# 732543 , Reply# 8 2/2/2014 at 19:55 (3,404 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.) | ||
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| Post# 732544 , Reply# 9 2/2/2014 at 19:59 (3,404 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.) | ||
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| Post# 732545 , Reply# 10 2/2/2014 at 20:01 (3,404 days old) by washman (o) | ||
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Yikes! that looks ugly. You sure have your work cut out. | ||
| Post# 732547 , Reply# 11 2/2/2014 at 20:06 (3,404 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.) | ||
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Here is the transmission, brake assembly, pulley, and associated hardware all cleaned up. I didn't take any pictures of them dirty, because I thought that surely no one would care to ever see this repair posted on here...
I'm surprised at how much the brake resembles an automotive clutch pressure plate. 
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| Post# 732548 , Reply# 12 2/2/2014 at 20:07 (3,404 days old) by washman (o) | ||
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Wow, that is one hefty tranny. Nowhere near the famous Arc-Cuate used for so many years, but still pretty hefty. | ||
| Post# 732549 , Reply# 13 2/2/2014 at 20:10 (3,404 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.) | ||
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| Post# 732550 , Reply# 14 2/2/2014 at 20:13 (3,404 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.) | ||
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See? I knew my washer vernacular wasn't up to snuff.... | ||
| Post# 732551 , Reply# 15 2/2/2014 at 20:15 (3,404 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.) | ||
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| Post# 732552 , Reply# 16 2/2/2014 at 20:17 (3,404 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.) | ||
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| Post# 732553 , Reply# 17 2/2/2014 at 20:19 (3,404 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.) | ||
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| Post# 732554 , Reply# 18 2/2/2014 at 20:20 (3,404 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Just in Case...
You decided to throw in the towel, here is a brand new machine with a damaged cabinet. You could make a new machine combining it with your good cabinet.
Malcolm CLICK HERE TO GO TO mrb627's LINK on eBay | ||
| Post# 732555 , Reply# 19 2/2/2014 at 20:21 (3,404 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.) | ||
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| Post# 732557 , Reply# 20 2/2/2014 at 20:24 (3,404 days old) by washman (o) | ||
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Here's a pic of an old ad that talks about the Arc-Cuate transmission. 
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| Post# 732558 , Reply# 21 2/2/2014 at 20:27 (3,404 days old) by washman (o) | ||
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mrb627 I would be halfway tempted to snag that just for parts but alas, too far away. | ||
| Post# 732660 , Reply# 22 2/3/2014 at 11:36 (3,403 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas) | ||
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You would think that the seller of that damaged Speed Queen would at least have a photo of the damage in his auction. That single photo just doesn't cut it. | ||
| Post# 732665 , Reply# 23 2/3/2014 at 12:09 (3,403 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Several Photos | ||
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Post# 732775 , Reply# 25 2/4/2014 at 07:44 (3,402 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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 Looks good so far, Rick. You're doing a very thorough job, all the way to the lower bearing, I would call that a restoration!
15 years from this washer is nothing to scoff at, pretty admirable really. Amana got much worse in 2002 when Maytag acquired Goodman. I was seeing Maytag-Amana machines in the junk pile a few days out of warranty. | ||
| Post# 733715 , Reply# 26 2/8/2014 at 12:57 (3,398 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.) | ||
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Well, heres where we're at so far.....(for now)! | ||
| Post# 733720 , Reply# 27 2/8/2014 at 13:05 (3,398 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.) | ||
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BTW, a replacement machine was purchased. It was on clearance as it was a floor model. At the time considering the cost of the parts and the effort in repairing the Amana, it made sense to just put the Amana out on the curb - but,
turns out this thing (pictured below) is a GE made by the POS corporation. The only thing it is capable of doing is tying sheets into knotted balls of fabric the whole time deciding what it "feels" is hot water, warm, etc. And, the "super" water level stands at about six inches from the bottom of the tub. The minute the Amana is returned to it's rightful place in the laundry room, it's going back! 
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| Post# 733722 , Reply# 28 2/8/2014 at 13:08 (3,398 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.) | ||
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| Post# 733726 , Reply# 29 2/8/2014 at 13:11 (3,398 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.) | ||
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| Post# 733727 , Reply# 30 2/8/2014 at 13:13 (3,398 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.) | ||
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| Post# 733728 , Reply# 31 2/8/2014 at 13:15 (3,398 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.) | ||
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| Post# 733731 , Reply# 32 2/8/2014 at 13:20 (3,398 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.) | ||
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which is..... | ||
| Post# 733735 , Reply# 33 2/8/2014 at 13:28 (3,398 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.) | ||
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It just occured to me that I didn't .... | ||
| Post# 733737 , Reply# 34 2/8/2014 at 13:37 (3,398 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.) | ||
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The machine sat now until the following day when I ran it through the prescribed procedures to lube the seals, and to allow the sealant to cure. Then the machine got a water leak test, and operational test on both speeds. So far, everything is working just fine.
Moved the GE out, and re-installed the Amana. You'll see a slight color difference on the dryer if you look closely. That's because I got it out of the garbage. It replaced a 1988 TOL GE that lasted longer than it's mate, a Filter-Flo. I put a new motor in the Amana dryer (which is why it was thrown away) and it's been good ever since. 
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| Post# 733738 , Reply# 35 2/8/2014 at 13:40 (3,398 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.) | ||
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And now, | ||
| Post# 733740 , Reply# 36 2/8/2014 at 13:42 (3,398 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.) | ||
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| Post# 733741 , Reply# 37 2/8/2014 at 13:43 (3,398 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.) | ||
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| Post# 733742 , Reply# 38 2/8/2014 at 13:47 (3,398 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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WOW | ||
| Post# 733743 , Reply# 39 2/8/2014 at 13:49 (3,398 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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GE Hydrowave | ||
| Post# 733744 , Reply# 40 2/8/2014 at 13:50 (3,398 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.) | ||
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Now, I had known for a while that the bearing/seal was going out. It was just a matter of time NOT being available to investigate the repair, blah, blah, blah...
So, here is what I THOUGHT had occured. That bearing had finally gotten to the point where it had caused enough drag that the extra effort caused the motor to overheat and the thermal thingy kicked out. Not the case. The motor is fried. Once it gets heated up, spin action is slowed, and when the thermal protector kicks out, it is preceded by a loud "buzzing" - that of the motor trying to start up but can't. A new motor has been ordered. I think when it comes in and is installed, I might do a video of the operation of this machine if you care to see it.... I'll check back in, Rick | ||
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Post# 733746 , Reply# 41 2/8/2014 at 13:51 (3,398 days old) by ozzie908 (Lincoln UK) |
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No way! | ||
| Post# 733762 , Reply# 42 2/8/2014 at 14:36 (3,398 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.) | ||
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Yes, I believe it is worth it. I don't think a front loader will ever be accepted in this house, and the new top loaders (other than the current model of Speed Queen) all seem to be of the "energy star/eco friendly" machines that in my opinion, just don't cut the mustard. Further, they are all digital, and as in the case of this GE, you have no choice during the cycle of the load to make it do what you want it to do.
For instance, if I wanted a "1st" rinse with spray, I would simply reset the timer to six minutes of wash on the Amana. Then, when the "real" rinse came up, it was actually a second rinse and I could then use softener at that point. The GE has a super rinse option, and says it won't dispense softener from the agitator mounted dispenser until that rinse. Well, it does...I guess they think nobody would think to put a magnet on the safty switch and see that it mearly dumps softener without a tub fill for it to do any good. To change "mid-stream" on the GE, well....you can't. It starts all over again, and if there is any water in the tub, it drains that, and starts a new cycle. Additionally, like I said above, it either doesn't circulate clothes like a "tumble" action from top to bottom and ties sheets into knots. Admittedly, that would ON OCCASION happen in the Amana, but rarely. I put a magnet on the GE to observe the operation and it just doesn't move clothes around like I think it should for a clean wash. | ||
| Post# 734085 , Reply# 43 2/9/2014 at 19:17 (3,397 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Passing Thought | ||
| Post# 734189 , Reply# 44 2/10/2014 at 06:43 (3,396 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.) | ||
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No, | ||
| Post# 734906 , Reply# 47 2/13/2014 at 04:42 (3,393 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Economy Stimulus | ||
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Post# 735010 , Reply# 48 2/13/2014 at 16:14 (3,393 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Great Rebuild
These are sturdy washers, but getting one apart after just a few years use is why very few will ever be repaired.
Because of the mineral build-up on the lint filter you should use either a better detergent or a lot more of it, these build-ups also affect seal life and if you can keep them down the machine may last even longer the second time around. | ||
| Post# 735664 , Reply# 49 2/16/2014 at 15:20 (3,390 days old) by crevicetool (Snellville Ga.) | ||
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Well,
The new motor came in early Friday morning, and it was installed in just a few minutes that evening. It had to be pressed into service quickly, so I did not do a video of the mechanism running. My thanks to all for the comments, and the help. The new motor has a "turned" brass pulley on it rather than a two part pressed steel like the original but is identical otherwise right down to the model/specification sticker.
Interestingly, this is the second seal that I have replaced. The first one went out very early on - (no doubt fifteen minutes out of warranty) - and there was no "build-up" then to speak of, and the parts disassembled quickly and with no effort. I put that seal in too, and it lasted all this time. The washer is used quite a lot and at one time suffered under overloading conditions (the offender has since moved - LOL) so, with the repair, all the new parts, and the new motor - I hope it will be around at least another five years or so. At which time both units can be replaced and hopefully those will last my remaining time on earth. | ||
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Post# 735738 , Reply# 50 2/16/2014 at 21:59 (3,390 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md) |
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Glad You Got The Motor In So Easily | ||
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