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Post# 49204   11/15/2004 at 10:51 (7,097 days old) by Jeff_adelphi (Adelphi, Maryland, USA)        

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Last Friday I went to repair a newer KM washer, when I was at the customers house they said they were having trouble removing an old dishwasher, and asked if I could help. They said they were ready to take a saw and cut it up to remove it.
I could not belive what I saw when I went in the kitchen. A perfect Youngstown 30" Dishwasher!!! They had just bought the house from the original owner who said the Dishwasher was never used much. I told them I would be happy to remove the DW for them if I could have it, they said yes. I went back Sunday to remove it and it's now safe in my garage. I can't belive how lucky it was to find this dishwasher just in time to save it. More pictures will follow when I have time. Can't wait to hook it up and see how it works. Jeff





Post# 49205 , Reply# 1   11/15/2004 at 10:54 (7,097 days old) by Jeff_adelphi (Adelphi, Maryland, USA)        

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And the inside view.

Post# 49206 , Reply# 2   11/15/2004 at 11:07 (7,097 days old) by jaxsunst ()        

Is that bar in the center something like a spray tube?

Post# 49207 , Reply# 3   11/15/2004 at 11:25 (7,097 days old) by Jeff_adelphi (Adelphi, Maryland, USA)        
Center spray tube.

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Yes, this dishwasher has only a center spray tube much like the Frigidaire models. The early models were top loading and had a verticle spray tube in the center, they called it a " Jet-Tower". I have the installation booklet for this model and it was still called a Jet-Tower dishwasher even though the spray tube was turned on it's side. Jeff

Post# 49208 , Reply# 4   11/15/2004 at 11:27 (7,097 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Woo Hoo!! Great find Jeff - those orange racks are to die for! Now off to the plexiglas store for a nice see-through demo panel...

I have the brochure for this model somewhere, I'll see if I can scan it for more data.

Beautiful!


Post# 49212 , Reply# 5   11/15/2004 at 12:11 (7,097 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Youngstown 30

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Hi Jeff,
This is a real Great find. Is their only a spray tube in the center or does it have some type of revolving arm at the bottom? I hope you are doing well.
Peter



Post# 49213 , Reply# 6   11/15/2004 at 12:33 (7,097 days old) by Brent-Aucoin ()        
Very Cool Jeff!

That is a very great looking dishwasher! It does look as though it was hardly used. The orange color on the racks looks great.
Did it also have a heated holding tank for the water like the first top loading machines?
Thanks for the pictures.
Brent


Post# 49217 , Reply# 7   11/15/2004 at 14:21 (7,097 days old) by PeterH770 (Marietta, GA)        

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Timing is everything! Congrats!

Post# 49219 , Reply# 8   11/15/2004 at 14:37 (7,097 days old) by partscounterman (Cortez, Colorado)        
SAW? that beautiful machine?

Who ever even entertained the notion of SAWING that DW should be SLAPPED upside the head. This is the only excuse I can think of for domestic violence. (just kidding...)

Post# 49223 , Reply# 9   11/15/2004 at 15:29 (7,097 days old) by frontaloadotmy (the cool gay realm)        
Youngstown Beauty

What a great find and save!!! Does this model sit on the counter top, or somewhat above floor level? Do you know the
yom?
congrats


Post# 49225 , Reply# 10   11/15/2004 at 16:15 (7,097 days old) by Jeff_adelphi (Adelphi, Maryland, USA)        

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This dishwasher has only the center spray tube so all dishes in the lower rack must be placed so they can be washed from above.
It does not have a built in water heating tank like the older models. But does have a heater in the tub. It has a solinoid in the door latch that releases the door at the end of the dry cycle. The door pops open about 2" to let the steam escape.
This unit was installed under the counter, but the installation book shows it can also be installed on an optional 22" high base cabinet. This unit also has the optional drain pump kit so it does not need to plumbed to a gravity drain line, I'm very thankful for that.
The motor is dated April 1958, and the owners said the house was built sometime that same year. Looking at the design of the motor and pump I think this is a much older design.
Hope to hook it up to water and power soon and see what happens. I will post more pics soon. Jeff


Post# 49232 , Reply# 11   11/15/2004 at 19:40 (7,097 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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OMG, Jeff I'm speechless. You just solved another small piece of my childhood's puzzle. My parents began look at new houses in 1959. I vividly remember one house had a pink dishwasher with that exact 3-spoke "thing" on the door. And it was eye level for me at the time. So I was about 4 or 5 years old. I had always remembered that house just for the dishwasher, plus the fact I didn't like where my bedroom would have been. So,.... it must have been a Youngstown. Hooray!!! I believe taht is the absolute last unanswered puzzle of appliances in my childhood.

Post# 49234 , Reply# 12   11/15/2004 at 19:58 (7,097 days old) by jaxsunst ()        

Keep the pics coming! Love the door handle, it is sooooo 50's!

Post# 49237 , Reply# 13   11/15/2004 at 20:22 (7,097 days old) by gregm ()        
amazing

never, ever seen one like that before, that is stunning, look at the shine on the porcelain, i cannot get over the condition, love the orange racks, what a rare and significant find, many congrads Jeff !!!

Post# 49242 , Reply# 14   11/15/2004 at 21:32 (7,097 days old) by SteveD (Guilderland, New York)        
Cool!

My aunt and uncle had this model, they had a Sholtz home built in 1957. Theirs was the fawn color that matched the rest of the cabinets. I replaced it with a new KDC-17 in 1973? (which she still uses). Somewhere I have the owners manual.....

Post# 49244 , Reply# 15   11/15/2004 at 21:57 (7,097 days old) by Jeff_adelphi (Adelphi, Maryland, USA)        
Motor and pump

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Here's a pic of the motor and pump.

Post# 49248 , Reply# 16   11/15/2004 at 22:11 (7,097 days old) by maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)        
Blasto from the Past-o!

My great-aunt and uncle had one of these machines, and it was the first dishwasher I ever used. I was about 4 or 5, and I turned the latch. I didn't get spanked, but I did get yelled at. Aunt Irene and Uncle Harlan lived literally up the street from us, and I remember being sent home in disgrace.

The best thing about this dishwasher was the capacity, the cleaning power was not particulary impressive.

They held the family Thanksgiving/Reunion, and the machine got a lot of use in that weekend every year,

They used it until the mid 70's, when it was replaced with a Maytag WU-400. (We had the portable version, which is why I remember the model number).

Lawrence/Maytagbear


Post# 49250 , Reply# 17   11/15/2004 at 22:30 (7,097 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        
That's a wonderful find!

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Hi Jeff, wow, that dishwasher is a super cool find! Congratulations. Youngstown made that model in a 24" and 30" model, I bet your 30" model is even more rare! Gotta love those orange racks.

Post# 49252 , Reply# 18   11/15/2004 at 22:59 (7,097 days old) by tlee618 ()        
Congratulations

Very Nice Jeff, you have to love those orange racks. Please do keep us posted on its progess. Did the owner know if it worked or not?

Post# 49257 , Reply# 19   11/16/2004 at 07:29 (7,096 days old) by bethann (Indianapolis)        

VERY COOL! Did you have chills when you walked in and seen it? Kind of like static running up the back of your head!That's what always happens to me!
Now you have to get mates!
Bethann


Post# 49260 , Reply# 20   11/16/2004 at 08:00 (7,096 days old) by Gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        

The "Packard" label on the motor has the same red logo as the "Packard" motor cars used to use. It says below "division of General Motors Corp" so I am a little confused. I seem to remember when Packard Motor Cars went out of business back in the late '50's they sold out to Studebaker. Studebaker, I recall limped along after the merger and managed to survive in to the early '60's (maybe '63?). I do not remember anyone absorbing Studebaker. The only remnant was the "Avanti" which began to be manufactured by a custom shop. So I wonder (if) when GM bought the electric motor division of Packard? I seem to remember Packard was real big in manufacturing electric motors for the war effort in WWII (as well as "Patton" tanks!), and I remember them powering different things built in the late '40's. Can anyone shed any light on the topic? (Laundress?)

Post# 49264 , Reply# 21   11/16/2004 at 10:01 (7,096 days old) by westie2 ()        

Try this link to History of Packard. They sold electric part to GM in 1932.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO westie2's LINK


Post# 49267 , Reply# 22   11/16/2004 at 12:24 (7,096 days old) by JerseyMike ()        
AWESOME!!!

Wow! What an incredible find. It must have been hard to control your excitement when you walked into that kitchen! It looks like it was NEVER used.

Love those orange racks.

Hope that it gives you little or no problems and that you get years of pleasure from it.

Mike


Post# 49275 , Reply# 23   11/16/2004 at 15:34 (7,096 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Unbelieveable

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Jeff: Do you have a time machine hidden away somewhere???!!!
Thats just too unbelieveable!

I love that Packard Motor! I am guessing that the tower models used the same pump and motor??

Just beautiful!!

I am struck by the apparent quality there.

What is amazing is how far along Youngstown and ABC were with their appliances but they should have hooked up for sales. The Altorfer brothers told me that they knew after WWII it was pretty clear any company that wanted to compete for the appliance market had to go up against Frigidaire, and GE and that they would have had to offer a complete line of appliances for the home. The market changed after WWII you couldn't make it being good at only one thing anymore.

SO if Youngstown teamed up with ABC and Crosley then they could have had a complete line of appliances to offer. It could have been called "Unified Appliances". And they might still have been around today.

just my 2 cents

jet



Post# 49277 , Reply# 24   11/16/2004 at 16:04 (7,096 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Unbelieveable

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Yes Jet you are absolutly right about Unified Appliances. It could have been so awsome. Well maybe in another time. Send my best to AL
Peter


Post# 49292 , Reply# 25   11/16/2004 at 18:41 (7,096 days old) by 60skelvinator ()        
WOW!!!

Great find!
love that front panel! :)


Post# 49306 , Reply# 26   11/16/2004 at 20:02 (7,096 days old) by maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)        
Apparent quality

Oh, this dishwasher was built like a tank. It was well built, not overly noisy, and my Aunt's ran until it died.


Lawrence/Maytagbear



Post# 49427 , Reply# 27   11/18/2004 at 09:24 (7,094 days old) by Jeff_adelphi (Adelphi, Maryland, USA)        

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Last night I tested the Youngstown with water, and except for a sticking drain valve that I was able to take apart and clean, It worked great and didn't leak a drop!!! Even the light behind the timer dial still worked. It's neat when the door pops open at the begining of the dry cycle and all the steam comes out. I will try to wash some dishes this weekend and see how it cleans. Jeff


Post# 49439 , Reply# 28   11/18/2004 at 13:39 (7,094 days old) by programcomputer (Ann Arbor Michigan, USA)        
WOW...A Dishasher that makes me want to do dishers...Remarka

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HOW COOL...

I have seen many dishwashers in my time all the way from our very first...a Whirlpool Portable Top-Load...all the way thru my current one which is a 1970's era General Electric Potscrubber...which washes anything I put in it and gets it perfect almost 98% of the time.

What I like about this Jamestown model is that center rotary spray which looks like it would completly get all the dishes and cups equally. The racks are wider than todays models and look like it would hol all the normal use dishes I own..LOL

And what's more what made ME wanna change for good was the fact that this model was not only a Packard Electric driven product and im partial to ANYTHING with a Packard connection even if it is in name...but the fact that this beautifully designed,well thought out model could be installed at WAIST height...and still do it's job.

Now one of the most unpleasantest chores in loading conventional dishwashers is the constand bend and load, bend and load and I hate that. There are times and places for that and dishwashing just doesn't seem to fit in that category.LOL...

I just love it....If any manufacturers around the globe are listening...as aparantly the USA ones are either led by product planners who got their Degrees by giving more than an apple to a teacher,or close to bankrupt, due to ridiculous,unfortunate buisness plans, or are managed by ignorant savants...will you please bring out a FULL-Sized model like this that is well made and will build in like the one on the POD!!!

No one listened...maybe in my luck I will find one myself....

Anyway that's my thoughts.....

WOW I want One!!!


Happily Converted by Jamestown

Chad


Post# 49442 , Reply# 29   11/18/2004 at 14:06 (7,094 days old) by partscounterman (Cortez, Colorado)        
Yo can have a 30

I understand that Dacor came out recently with a 30" dishwasher, although unlike the Youngstown, it cost MUCH more than a standard DW-Oops-just went to thier web site and no mention of any DW? Does anyone else know about this or am I simply hallucinating? Maybe it was another brand?

Post# 49445 , Reply# 30   11/18/2004 at 15:08 (7,094 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Wow, nice dishwasher. Cool find!

The Dacor was taken off the market for some reason.


Post# 49446 , Reply# 31   11/18/2004 at 15:11 (7,094 days old) by partycycle ()        
“That’s the 3rd plate I’ve broken this morning, and I’m all

I have had tough days before, but never a day like this. I’ve been dropping, spilling, and knocking over things since I got up, an it’s not even noon. That POD; Jamestown dishwasher advertisement and your thread #515!

“My nerves and my headache and my emotional problems and my back.” I’ve got medications for those things…or, wait a minute…I did yesterday…am I…all out? A purse full of empty bottles. Quick! I check the medicine chest. But nothing in there seems to work anymore. “What am I going to do?” I cry softly.

For the love of everything that is Holly!!! I am struggling, to be genuinely happy for you, upon this most of most of all beatific dishwasher finds. I have had to take to my bed. Hopefully tomorrow I will be able to sit up and take fluids (vodka + pill(s).

With shoulder-to-the-wheel. Again, I cry softly. Go into my kitchen and face that “piece-of-shit” MOL, 2003, Frigidaire, Premier dishwasher. “How will I get by without that most unique, and yet easy to load, Jamestown dishwasher you just happened to stumble upon?”

“There. There.” I have had to console myself.

Congratulations!!!! I truly mean it. Sort of...


Post# 49455 , Reply# 32   11/18/2004 at 17:33 (7,094 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        
Youngstown 30

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Here is the second page of the POD brochure...

Post# 49456 , Reply# 33   11/18/2004 at 17:34 (7,094 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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page 3


Post# 49459 , Reply# 34   11/18/2004 at 18:12 (7,094 days old) by bethann (Indianapolis)        
Stop it Gansky1 !

Are you trying to get Partycycle going again!

Post# 49463 , Reply# 35   11/18/2004 at 20:02 (7,094 days old) by partscounterman (Cortez, Colorado)        
Stop it, Partycycle!

I almost wet myself when I read your post. Too Funny! You may feel better if you took a sledgehammer to that dreadful frigelux and work out some of those tensions. May the dishwasher gods minister to your needs and provide your deepest desires (so you don't have to go through this trauma anymore!)

Post# 49465 , Reply# 36   11/18/2004 at 20:18 (7,094 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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HaHa! If Partycycle is going to load the dishwasher as illustrated with 200 pieces of dishware - and NO APRON, let the stains land where they may!

Post# 49529 , Reply# 37   11/19/2004 at 17:51 (7,093 days old) by partycycle ()        
Is this a migraine coming on or just a taste of the future?

Carlos or is his name Hector? Whatever? Bless his heart. Apparently during my delirium over this Jamestown dishwasher. Before he left. To get jumper cables, Vaseline and a pack of smokes. Called my “Elvis” doctor. I awoke to the awful dreadful never ending ringing. The door bell. Pharmacy delivery Vica something and Oxyi something and shopping bags of sedatives.

I negotiated the endless journey through the living room. By the way. Who’s idea was it to “float” that enormous sofa in front of the fire place!!? Then there was the dinning room. Thank God the table is round. Like that of a traffic circle. All the while thinking of that Jamestown DW. On the second or whatever lap got into the kitchen. I wept. I begged. I lost. Somewhere there was a 2 tank sink hidden beneath all the piles of dirty dishes, glasses, (some broken), bake/burned on cookware. AND that GD FrigLux DW. Good Lord! I thought. Will I ever….? What a STUPID question. Then just as my vision started to go digital. The very idea of struggling to put on my most favorite water marked silk moray with brick-a-bract trim apron. Well that is all I remember. What’s his name slumped me over in my chair before the PC. Wrong.

I read the most recent pages regarding the Jamestown owners manual posted by Gansky. My tears shorted out the key board. Then this nasty things happens with water and electricity. Who knew there were so many good looking fireman? I pulled back the oxygen mask. Gasping for breath. Shouted out. Let it burn! It is just a G. Damn FirgLux dishwasher. Not a Jamestown, easy to load, 200 piece capacity dishwasher. Let it go boys…


Post# 49532 , Reply# 38   11/19/2004 at 19:15 (7,093 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Wow Jeff, a Youngstown, and in such great shape! EXCELLENT! And with University of Texas orange racks (go Longhorns) and that cool 3-spoke handle! YAY!! Does anyone else have one of these?

Keep us posted on how it washes! Did you ever find out why they wanted to get rid of it and if they ever used it?

--Austin



Post# 49685 , Reply# 39   11/22/2004 at 05:20 (7,090 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
Packard Motor in Youngstown DW

The part of Packard taht GM purchased was placed under the Delco division of GM. If you look at the spark plug wires in GM cars, at least the older ones, you'll see Delco Packard printed on them.


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