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Spotted during a call... A Roto Broil 400
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Post# 746790   4/1/2014 at 13:28 (3,690 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        

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Sorry for being kinda absent here lately. Many chaotic things in my life 5months into my Post Wife Life...

At a call, wondered what was on the customer's table hiding under a dust cloth. I got to see this...

Like it?






Post# 746791 , Reply# 1   4/1/2014 at 13:29 (3,690 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        

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The close up. In very nice shape. And used very so often.


Post# 746792 , Reply# 2   4/1/2014 at 13:30 (3,690 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        

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The buttons to play with...





Post# 746793 , Reply# 3   4/1/2014 at 13:31 (3,690 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        

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More...



Post# 746794 , Reply# 4   4/1/2014 at 13:34 (3,690 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        
And the flip side...

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So about how old is this? Not something I've seen before but would love to try it out.

Anyway, to all who have emailed me with best wishes and love, thank you. It really is helping me start to get my head back into some semblance of a small bit of order. You guys are really awesome!

RCD



Post# 746799 , Reply# 5   4/1/2014 at 14:17 (3,690 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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I'll guess circa 1954. Always wanted one of those! 


Post# 746801 , Reply# 6   4/1/2014 at 14:30 (3,690 days old) by ken (NYS)        

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Three models shown in the 1956 Sears Roebuck catalog I have.

Post# 746827 , Reply# 7   4/1/2014 at 16:43 (3,690 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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I have that exact same item.  My Mr. & Mrs. Roto-Broil book is dated 1955.

 

That one appears to have been used as a cook top almost exclusively, considering that the skewers look brand new.

 

I didn't realize these units came with the detachable tray handle.  I never knew what that thing kicking around in a drawer at my parents' house was for, so I never claimed it.  It likely disappeared forever at the 2008 estate sale.

 

The heat control buttons have retained their original color.  Mine have faded, and on the one I used to have, they had lost all color.  I have not seen an original blue "Bake" function button since I was a kid, and until now had begun to think I was imagining things.   Keep that unit covered!

 

Here's why I love mine so much:


Post# 746970 , Reply# 8   4/1/2014 at 23:59 (3,689 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        
Just wondering...

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Is that temp. dial original? Seems a bit over scaled.


Post# 746974 , Reply# 9   4/2/2014 at 00:03 (3,689 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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Louie, do you mean the timer dial?  It's original.  It probably was sized for the TOL model, but was used on most if not all of the others as well.


Post# 746977 , Reply# 10   4/2/2014 at 00:15 (3,689 days old) by ultramatic (New York City)        

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Yep, that's right Ralph. I didn't know there were senior models for this appliance. Then it would \make sense as a cost saving measure.  Thanks!


Post# 746983 , Reply# 11   4/2/2014 at 01:46 (3,689 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

I sort of vaguely remember one of these when I was little-My Mom used it to make "Dizzy Cicken" as she called it-rotiserie chicken.

Post# 747031 , Reply# 12   4/2/2014 at 08:15 (3,689 days old) by Westie2 ()        

My grandparents had two of these and used one at the lake cabin for cooking. They also had two electric skillets and 2 electric sauce pans and a electric pressure cooker along with a GE percolator and an Iona blender. Was a nice thing for them in the early 1960's.

Post# 747069 , Reply# 13   4/2/2014 at 11:43 (3,689 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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There were a few models:

 

Riviera 400

King Size Riviera

Custom 400

400 Capri

 

The King Size Riviera and the Capri both had "wrap around" lids, and the Capri featured a "restaurant type grill" on top.  The Capri is pictured on the front of the Mr. & Mrs. Roto-Broil cookbook shown above.  The Custom and Riviera models are pictured on the back.

 

Here's a picture of what I presume is a later model, never/barely used Riviera I found at Savers a few years ago and snagged for Nate (controls are on the side).  The shorter glass panel supposedly improved the roasting process.  You can't make it out in the picture, but the term "Bakes" is missing from the Riviera's list of capabilities across the bottom of the glass, thus ruining the rhyming sequence found on the windows of other models.

 

 


Post# 747253 , Reply# 14   4/3/2014 at 06:01 (3,688 days old) by Tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Everything was Roto-something. The utility cart was the "roto butler." I can't imagine that the appliance was ever very efficient for baking with no insulation and the big slot in the side for the rotisserie spit, but if you could put it outside in the hot weather, it would help keep heat out of the kitchen since the cook would not have to turn on the oven.

Post# 747318 , Reply# 15   4/3/2014 at 13:41 (3,688 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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I think the baking function was a flop in general.  It required the purchase of an optional "Bake-A-Tray" which appeared to be a heating surface that sat on the bottom of the cavity.  I've never seen one so don't even know how they worked, since the roaster doesn't have a thermostat.  I presume they plugged into the outlet below the "Bake" button.

 

The average consumer didn't have room for one of these units to live on their kitchen counter.  When I was a kid, the Roto-Broil was only hauled out once in a while to roast a chicken.  I've done a pork roast on one and it did a good job, and it also performed well with two game hens.  I have a back-to-back four-pronged skewer to connect a couple of hens together on the spit.  I don't know if it came with the unit or if my dad, who was a machinist at the time, made it for that sort of application.


Post# 747332 , Reply# 16   4/3/2014 at 15:00 (3,688 days old) by ken (NYS)        
Ralph:

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When you say the Bake a Tray sat on the bottom of the cavity do you mean inside or under the top lid? Couldnt you bake in it like a modern toaster oven? The outlet under the timer can be used to make other plug in appliances automatic.

I would think it would have to have a thermostat. Doesnt it cycle on and off to maintain the preset temperature for low, med, high? Otherwise it would just continue to heat up.

Can you toast in it like a modern toaster oven?


Post# 747350 , Reply# 17   4/3/2014 at 16:29 (3,688 days old) by paulg (My sweet home... Chicago)        
Rotisseries

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My suggestion to anyone who finds the Roto-Broil or the General Electric (with heating element on the TOP) is to BUY IT!
My General Electric rotisserie (circa about 1960) is the best four-dollar find in the world.
Hubby thought I was nuts when I bought it at an estate sale. Quote, "I GUARANTEE you failure with that thing." He sings a WAY different tune now. It really is HIS favorite appliance next to the ice-maker.
It has the rotisserie on/off function and the timer. There is no heat control. For our purposes it doesn't really matter.
In short, when we have had a busy day, you just oil up a chicken with olive oil, spread McCormick's rotisserie chicken seasoning on it, set the timer and make the cocktails. With frozen vegetables in the microwave on sensor-cook, your kitchen servants are doing the work for you! Really.
No glam shot immediately available. Here is an awful picture for reference only. The unit really gleams. The string keeps the door from popping open when storing. The Ziplock bag holds extra parts and the trussing needle. Here it is in the basement where it is stored.
Heating elements that are on the top seem to excel as the grease drips down into the tray below preventing smoke-ups.
Your favorite rotisserie recipes are welcome anytime!


Post# 747368 , Reply# 18   4/3/2014 at 17:51 (3,688 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
GE Rotisseries

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Oh for sure, Paul, I would ditch my Roto-Broil in an instant if I found one of those GE's.   Your description of the cooking process is spot-on.  Cocktails and snacks while the appliances take care of things.

 

Nate replaced the Riviera I found for him (pictured above) with a GE like yours that he found after moving to Tucson, and when I saw it I could tell that it was superior to the Roto-Broil.  Unfortunately, the swamp cooler at his place created such a high level of humidity that the GE suffered some serious deterioration and I'm unsure of its viability these days.

 

Ken, I'll check the details on the Bake-a-Tray, but I know for sure that it was used inside the cavity, not under the lid.  The area under the lid could be used for cooking, but on the Roto-Broils I've seen, it has always been an uneven surface so saucepans don't make full contact with it.  I think the Capri models were better in that regard, with their "restaurant type grill" on top.


Post# 747456 , Reply# 19   4/4/2014 at 01:15 (3,687 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
Bak-A-Tray

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Here's a shot of the Bak-A-Tray instructions from literature for a Capri model that I found at an estate sale. 

 

The tray came with its own sub-accessory, a combination skillet/deep fryer that sat directly on top of the tray.

 

In case the fine print isn't clear enough, a "spit closure" insert is provided for use when baking.  The copy states that on the Capri model, the tray will plug into a mystery receptacle when pushed to the rear of the cavity.  Even in the Mr. & Mrs. Roto-Broil Cookbook the copy is the same and there is no mention of how the Bak-A-Tray gets connected to power on the Custom and Riviera models.  Perhaps the tray came with a cord that ran from the timed outlet to the mystery spot on the back wall of the cavity.

 

I can't imagine doing any serious baking with this attachment. 

 

One thing is clear:  Roto-Broil's marketing concept that its counter-top appliance could compete with a full sized range was entirely delusional. 

 


Post# 747463 , Reply# 20   4/4/2014 at 02:12 (3,687 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Thank You! for posting Drew.  Spiegel had something similar to this rotisserie in their catalog years ago.  I never had one.  As a crazy appliance kid, I wondered about the "disturbing"  slot in the side (heat loss).   Rp2813, that's a beautiful rotisserie chicken!  Is cleanup easy or a chore?  alr


Post# 747469 , Reply# 21   4/4/2014 at 03:08 (3,687 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        
Clean up

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I line the "tree tray" with foil (see picture above) so that item doesn't even need to be washed.  I wipe the interior down with a sudsy sponge and that's usually enough to remove spatters, then go over it again with the sponge just dampened with plain water.  The tricky area is the open nichrome wire heating coils.  You can't really do much up there.

 

The front glass is removable, and that gets hand washed.  I've run it through various dishwashers we've owned, but none have been able to get the grease spatters entirely removed.  

 

The spit isn't a big deal to wash by hand.  I put the skewers in the dishwasher if I'm going to run it that same night.


The recipe book says to use a 3.5 - 4 pound bird.  I always buy a minimum 5-pound bird.  They shrink when they cook, and there's no sign of stress on the motor or mechanism.  It even handled one that was pushing six pounds, but I try to stay within the 5 to 5.5 pound range. 

 

The gears are a little sloppy, so getting the bird properly trussed and well-balanced on the spit is the key to evenly cooked skin, otherwise you'll get some less done areas where rotation falls forward, and blackened areas where rotation falls behind and the spit momentarily stops as the gears catch up.  Balancing the bird on the spit can often take several tries.  I twirl the spit by hand to get a feel for which side is heavier than the other, and reposition skewers accordingly.  It's trial and error but worth spending the time.   Perfect balance isn't likely, but as the bird cooks it becomes lighter, and the rotation becomes smoother.

 

For me, the finished product is well worth the trouble.  I'm not a fan of white meat.  It's usually way too dry.  That's not the case when it's done in the Roto-Broil.  The breast is tender and juicy, the way it's supposed to be, and I'm fine with letting Dave have the dark meat.

 


Post# 747478 , Reply# 22   4/4/2014 at 04:09 (3,687 days old) by 1952Crestwood ()        
I have a Roto-Broil that appears to be complete....

with the exception of the detachable tray handle. Mine is packed up out in the garage so I don't have pics of it but it looks most like the one that rp2813 posted. I don't think mine was used but once or twice from the looks of the inside. I don't have the Bake-A-Tray. If anyone has or runs across an extra one of the detachable handles, please let me know. I figure I will just use a pair of tongs if I never find one, but it would be nice to complete the set as it were.

Post# 747573 , Reply# 23   4/4/2014 at 11:31 (3,687 days old) by Vacosaurus (Cleveland Ohio)        
What would be betterthis or Popiels (Set it and forget it) ?

To me it looks like the Popiel Rottiserie Would be a lot better.Anybody out there have them both to compare ? Bill,

Post# 747580 , Reply# 24   4/4/2014 at 12:28 (3,687 days old) by paulg (My sweet home... Chicago)        
Rotisserie comparisons

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I think rotisserie comparisons is a fun topic. I would like to add a comment to that regard.
Along the way, I also ended up with the Sunbeam Carousel Rotisserie. It was new-in-box. This is the rotisserie that looks like a missile and the fowl turns vertically rather than horizontally. The Sunbeam was similar in operation to a GYRO grill.
To be quite frank, I found the Sunbeam's results underwhelming. The bird was always dry.
With the Sunbeam the juices all ran out of the bird due to gravity. The juices would drip down but had no way to get back up. On the horizontal axis rotisseries like the GE, Roto-Broil etc, the juices have more opportunity to stay with the bird since it tended to self-baste with every turn.
Sunbeam purists may disagree and I would be interested to see how they make that unit perform well. After using the GE rotisserie though, the results were clear and the Sunbeam went to ... the recycler.
I suspect Popeil's unit worked well. Would like to hear comments as I have no experience with that machine.
Cleanability on the GE is a cinch. There is surprisingly little splatter. The cavity is metal with a mirror-like finish. What little splatter occurs I clean up with a little Bon-Ami. The door comes off so a little Dawn will clean it up. Drip tray goes in the dishwasher. I didn't expect it but the unit remains surprisingly clean.
Disadvantages: The motor whines quite a bit and the timer has no bell. Oh well, when you stop hearing the motor whine you know dinner is done.


Post# 747679 , Reply# 25   4/4/2014 at 20:40 (3,686 days old) by HooverWheelAway ()        

**clutches pearls**

NIB Sunbeam Carousel ... To the recycler??!

**faint**



Post# 747691 , Reply# 26   4/4/2014 at 21:25 (3,686 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
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Your GE R21 rotisserie-broiler was available until at least 1971; there's a GE small appliances catalog from that year available at Automatic Ephemera that shows it.

I've seen a few of them over the years, but every one I've run across had obvious problems that make me pass it up. And I'm really a Farberware Open Hearth rotisserie-grill fan anyway.

But your GE is really nice. Glad you like it.



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