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Post# 124227 4/24/2006 at 19:54 (6,576 days old) by bajaespuma  (Connecticut) |
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Post# 124250 , Reply# 1 4/24/2006 at 21:02 (6,576 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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Dishwasher! | ||
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Post# 124297 , Reply# 2 4/25/2006 at 03:59 (6,576 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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Post# 124301 , Reply# 3 4/25/2006 at 05:01 (6,576 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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miele
My first Miele worked trouble free for 17 years - then the movers broke it. My current model has done at least 7 loads a week every week since 2000. No prerinsing, saves water and energy, everything comes out clean. No problems. If you want a final solution, either get a classic Kitchen Aid or a modern Miele. Everything else is just not in the same class. Bosch/Siemens do, however, have a better reputation today in Europe than 10 years ago, just to be fair. My US friends with new US dishwashers all complain about repairs constantly. | ||
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Post# 124357 , Reply# 4 4/25/2006 at 10:41 (6,576 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Post# 124415 , Reply# 5 4/25/2006 at 13:51 (6,575 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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| Post# 124427 , Reply# 6 4/25/2006 at 14:42 (6,575 days old) by bobbyderegis (Boston) | ||
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We have a new Bosch in the church kitchen. It is extremely quiet and washes the hell out of everything. It just takes forever. Bobby in Boston | ||
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Post# 124476 , Reply# 8 4/25/2006 at 18:40 (6,575 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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We're happy Miele owners for about 6-7 years now. When we bought ours there weren't many SS interior dw's on the market as there are now and that was a prime consideration with our well water. Also the quiet factor. No problems with it yet. Was it worth it double the price of most others.. YES....because I place more importance on having the best dishwasher than I do on other things like a pricey stove,fridge,tv etc.
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Post# 124497 , Reply# 9 4/25/2006 at 19:38 (6,575 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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I bought one of these Maytag's back in December and I really like it. It cleans very well, it's quiet (though not as quiet as a Bosch) and the capacity and loading flexibility are fantastic. Build quality is solid. Door closes with the confident 'thunk' of a Lexus. If you go into the Deluxe forum archives, I have a bunch of pics of the interior, showing what it can hold. I wanted the stainless interior, although there's a twin to this model with a plastic interior---same cycles and features as this one. Here's a pic from Maytag's website with a partial list of features. The list price with a stainless front is $1050, but I got mine for a couple hundred less from my local Maytag dealer. Happy shopping and let us know what you wind up purchasing!
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Post# 125096 , Reply# 10 4/28/2006 at 07:01 (6,573 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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My "genie in a bottle" choices would be a KitchenAid KDSS-17 from 1969 (something about that Stainless interior in back of those baby-blue vinyl-coated racks)coupled with an old Hobart professional undercounter model with temp boost and the 2-minute cycle for pots and pans. I still have this fantasy that somewhere out there in the heartland is a huge endless warehouse (a la the last minute of "Raiders of the Lost Ark") with all of our old dream machines MIB with some little man wheeling them around on a hand truck. | ||
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Post# 125189 , Reply# 11 4/28/2006 at 19:23 (6,572 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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| Post# 125686 , Reply# 12 4/30/2006 at 20:43 (6,570 days old) by retroguy () | ||
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I have the new GE. As much as I like retro machines, I love my new GE. It's so quiet you can barely tell it's on. As far as the cleaning goes.....top notch. | ||
| Post# 126281 , Reply# 15 5/3/2006 at 15:49 (6,567 days old) by stainfighter (Columbia, SC) | ||
re *NEW* KA, WP TT do not wash so well, muck...
Toggle - I disagree with your statement. We own a Kenmore model 1602 TT since April '05 and it has been an excellent performer. No 'muck' issues at all. Even does well with dried rice on plates and such. I like to boost the enzyme dw detergent with about a teaspoon of Borax in each compartment. Not as quiet perhaps as a Bosch but then if we could have found a Bosch like Rich did for only $350 we'd have gone that route...
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Post# 126287 , Reply# 16 5/3/2006 at 16:02 (6,567 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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re *NEW* KA, WP TT do not wash so well, muck... | ||
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Post# 126340 , Reply# 17 5/3/2006 at 20:41 (6,567 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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norgeman-- I had a TOL Frigidaire and had no problems with cleaning ability in the upper rack. However, I have softened water and have my water heater set at 140 degrees, which may make a difference. I now have a TOL Maytag, and while my Frigidaire cleaned dishes, cutlery and glasses just as well as the Maytag, I find the Maytag does a much better job on pots/pans/casseroles. I also find the Maytag holds holds large items which didn't fit in the Frigidaire. Build quality is also noticeably better in the Maytag. I loved the Upper or Lower Rack Only cycles on the Frigidaire, but the 20-minute InstaWash cycle on the Maytag cleans lightly soiled loads very well and is frugal with water. Having said all that, I have friends with MOL/BOL Frigidaire dishwashers and without exception, they are disappointed with their performance. | ||
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Post# 126527 , Reply# 18 5/4/2006 at 15:08 (6,566 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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comparison
I asked my folks - they currently have MOL Frigidaier and Maytag (I wasn't asked for my opinon when they bought them, obviously). They report the Maytag takes forever, but cleans everything well. It leaves a nasty residue directly under the door on the bottom. The Frigidaire has been repaired twice under warranty and only cleans well when running at 140°. Currently the top rack is not being washed at all, it is out of warranty and waiting for me to come over. The dratted ball is probably stuck. Again. (Instead of using an intelligent solution to alternate between spraying the upper and lower racks, Frigidaire went with an even stupider solution than usual - a ball in the sump which sometimes closes the upper opening and sometimes doesn't - but always gets stuck in place after a very short time. So there we have an inhouse comparison, same family, same dishes, same water, same detergent, same use level, same age, same MOL...the Frigidaire is, sadly, not what it should have been, the Maytag is ok - but not more than ok. US machines suck. Get a pre-Whirlpool Kitchenaid or buy a German or Italian machine. Period. | ||
| Post# 126534 , Reply# 19 5/4/2006 at 15:49 (6,566 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
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Post# 129121 , Reply# 22 5/16/2006 at 10:25 (6,555 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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Problem is, ladies and gents, everything f--kin dishwasher I see out there looks exactly the same as the others. It's as though every brand is being outsourced to the same manufacturer. Even the LG's look ersatz. I'm bending towards the Miele's and the Asko's because they at least look unique and have interesting racking combinations (well, the Miele, at least). It's interesting that no manufacturer has yet figured out (or cares) that those of us who work in kitchens have gotten used to these fantastic undercounter machines that use boosters to heat their water to 180F and complete a wash and rinse cycle in less than 5 minutes! Incredibly useful machines for those who throw parties. They use can use the same interchangeable racks that "tunnel-conveyor" machines use for glasses, plates, big pots, etc. Problem is that they retail for about 4K.Some of the older models (which I am looking for) are made exactly like the 17-series KitchenAid's with a SS tub, no dispensers on the door and no rack supports. What I'd really like is one of those old GE Mobile Maids or a KitchenAid KSS-17A. Very hard to find around here. I'd take a 1988-90 Maytag Jetclean with the plates on top if I could find one that heated the water. The Miele is winning so far, but, then again, there is Kevin in Mystic whose tireless eye is looking, looking, looking... One machine to rule them all, One machine to find them. One machine to bring them all, And in the darkness bind them. 
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Post# 130294 , Reply# 23 5/21/2006 at 00:19 (6,550 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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gosh Ken | ||
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