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Thread Number: 60715
/ Tag: Ranges, Stoves, Ovens
Industry Firsts, appliance brand heritage |
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| Post# 833609 7/24/2015 at 15:44 (3,346 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND) | ||
I'm looking for ways to boost my sales knowledge... This site helps a lot with that, but I was thinking the questions I have should be documented somewhere because I know others have wonder the same things..
Please feel free to add anything you want, I know I won't be able to ask it all. Please post pics or advertisements if possible. Who had the first side by side fridge? First bottom mount freezer? First glass top stove? When did induction come out? (I saw a GE sales catalog from 97 that had induction profile ranges.) Who made coldspot? Stuff like that. Companies that made advancements in the industry, when they made design changes. When major trends happened, that kind of stuff. When did stainless become a huge thing? Stainless for most thing has generally always been available, correct? I love jogging customers down brand histories, its how I sell them on faith in the products. Any info anyone wants to add would be appreciated! | ||
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| Post# 833611 , Reply# 1 7/24/2015 at 15:57 (3,346 days old) by firedome (Binghamton NY & Lake Champlain VT) | ||
Coldspot... | ||
| Post# 833614 , Reply# 2 7/24/2015 at 16:12 (3,346 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND) | ||
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Post# 833617 , Reply# 3 7/24/2015 at 16:26 (3,346 days old) by CircleW  (NE Cincinnati OH area) |
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Coldspot was made by Seeger Refrigerator Co. until the mid 50's, when it was bought by Whirlpool Corp., which then changed it's name to Whirlpool-Seeger Corp. The name went back to Whirlpool Corp. in a few years. | ||
| Post# 833640 , Reply# 4 7/24/2015 at 17:46 (3,345 days old) by iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
I think I know some of these but forgive me if I show my ignorance in being wrong as I am going from memory.
Bottom Freezer--I think was Amana, I remember Barbara Hale as their spokes person,.
Smooth Top range was marketed under Corning I believe. I used to look at them when at "The Electric Home" show room. I think GE built the range for them. From what I remember the cooking performance was pretty poor, this was late 60s early 70s. | ||
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Post# 833644 , Reply# 5 7/24/2015 at 18:03 (3,345 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI ) |
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Post# 833647 , Reply# 6 7/24/2015 at 18:29 (3,345 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine) |
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As far as Appliance Brand Heritage, essentially today there is no bloodline other than the name they slap on it, you have the big foreign ones, LG, Samsung, etc. Electrolux took over WCI's brands and theres Whirlpool that took over Maytag and GE that may go to who knows. The only brand I would write home about that is reliable today is Speed Queen. My next door neighbors 6 year old Kenmore Elite refrigerator died this week. I feel that is a quality ripoff for planned corporate obsolescence.
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| Post# 833704 , Reply# 7 7/25/2015 at 04:59 (3,345 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c ) | ||
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The first Real side by side was the Foodarama by Kelvinator in the 1950s, Kelvinator was then owned by Nash Motors, in 54 it became American Motors,Frigidaire was owned thru the 70s by General Motors, Philco was owned by Ford from 1961 thru the mid 70s, Norge was owned by Borg Warner until 1969. | ||
| Post# 834039 , Reply# 8 7/27/2015 at 10:55 (3,343 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND) | ||
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The biggest hurdle I am trying to overcome is working with other sales people that only want to sell Samsung because of the offerings the company has for the reps to push their brand.
People come in, I need such and such appliance for whatever various reason, what do you suggest? The answer always is Samsung regardless of need... 90% of the time I know other products would be a better fit... Even when it comes down to a basic coil top stove for canning, they try to push smooth top Samsungs. They don't even care that the glass top stoves have a high temp cutoff to protect the top, let alone having a heavy canning kettle on the glass that is so hot... I seem to be battling an up hill battle here lol. I appreciate the responses you guys have given so far :-) Thanks! | ||
| Post# 834083 , Reply# 10 7/27/2015 at 14:36 (3,343 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
I don't know who made the first bottom mounted freezer. I do seem to recall Amana making them. But my parents had a Kelvinator with a bottom freezer. I have no idea when it was made, but it had a label someplace talking about American Motors, maker of the Rambler. According to Wikipedia, the Rambler was made by AMC 1954-1969.
That refrigerator was a topic of conversation with one baby sitter, who took one look, and asked if my parents had somehow modified a normal refrigerator. One selling point to those bottom mount freezers is the huge convenience of having the fresh foods area higher (eye level, no/less stooping to grab something off a lower shelf). Although I suppose in today's world, for many, a top freezer does make life easier since the only need for a refrigerator is holding a stack of frozen dinners. | ||
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Post# 834114 , Reply# 11 7/27/2015 at 20:58 (3,342 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O ) |
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Post# 834119 , Reply# 12 7/27/2015 at 23:02 (3,342 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 834121 , Reply# 13 7/27/2015 at 23:31 (3,342 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
 I can't tell which brand introduced the bottom-freezer refrigerator but many brands had them by 1954-55.
Some had a single exterior door with a bottom-mounted freezer and others had two separate doors.
I know more about Frigidaire than other brands so I can tell you that Frigidaire introduced it's single door Cold Pantry in 1954 (as a 1955 model) and the two door Cold-Pantry a bit after the introduction of the other 1955 Frigidaire appliances as the two door 1955 model isn't covered in that year's Tech Talk.
An ad for the two-door model. books.google.com/booksQUESTIONMA... A later ad for the single-door model which was introduced earlier (in 1954 as a 1955 model). books.google.com/booksQUESTIONMA...
Here are two ads for Admiral refrigerators from 1954:
books.google.com/booksQUESTIONMA...
books.google.com/booksQUESTIONMA...
And according to these links, Amana introduced side by side refrigerators in 1949 but I can't find an ad for one of these: www.appliancedesign.com/articles/...
www.whirlpoolcorp.com/2010annual/...
According to the link above from the Whirlpool website, Amana introduced it's bottom-freezer model in 1957, but...
Here's an Amana bottom-freezer which is apparently from 1956: retrorenovation.com/2013/03/27/vi...
And this ad for another Amana bottom-freezer is apparently from 1955 so the Whirlpool website is probably wrong about the introduction in 1957...
www.ecrater.com/p/21638407/1955-a...
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| Post# 834208 , Reply# 14 7/28/2015 at 14:26 (3,342 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND) | ||
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I LOVE that post!!
I can only imagine the quality of product these companies used to produce in their earlier days. I had a couple come in yesterday with a bottom mount amana that they bought from us in 2003. It wasn't cooling. They brought it into town and the husband said they weren't leaving town without a fridge. Either a new one or that one fixed. We tried a few times to get our fridge tech back to the store, while we waited, we measured the Amana because they said they had to modify their cabinets when they bought that fridge. I showed the wife a GE Slate french door, but after getting a hold of their son, the measurements we had to deal with were 65" high, 34" wide. Nothing in this store fits it besides a 17cu top mount. After some digging, we found an LG french door that would fit the size needed. It was in stainless steel. She didn't want stainless lol. They left to go eat while we waited on service to check out there Amana. They came back, the husband said he was upset with me because they decided that she wanted slate, but she was gonna get a slate range and dishwasher with the fridge, on top of having to take out a wall and move part of the cabinets.. LOL. The service guy came walking back and said its a $50 dollar part that was needed to fix the fridge, he got it running... They were ready to purchase their stuff and I said "well, we can do this and get it all lined out, or you can drive around back and pick your fridge up and take it home, its cooling now and ready to go.." The husband about fell over lol. The wife was mad because she wanted the new appliances. I asked the service guys if a repair like that was possible with the modern stuff and he said if it were a samsung or LG the repair would be north of $400 for the parts alone. Nothing is made to last or be repaired anymore.. :( | ||
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Post# 834212 , Reply# 16 7/28/2015 at 15:14 (3,342 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN) |
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Rating plate doesn't tell anything about efficiency
it only shows peak draw. Efficiency is all about power consumed over time for a given size machine, the name plate doesn't address that.
Of course a self-defrosting model will have fans to run and a heater that cycles from time to time. The salesperson shouldn't comparing a modern refrigerator to an old manual defrost one. Its not like many people would even give any consideration to a non self-defrost model today. But if you want to compare apples to apples take a vintage self-defrost model and plug it into a Kill-A-Watt watt/hour meter for a week. Now do the same with a comparable late model unit. This comparison will be fair and the modern unit will be higher efficiency. I think the salesman's point is likely valid in this context. It is conceivably possible that an old manual defrost unit is more efficient then a newer self-defrost model. But I'd still run that test just for fun. | ||
| Post# 834241 , Reply# 17 7/28/2015 at 18:48 (3,341 days old) by repair-man (Pittsburgh PA) | ||
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New fridges only draw the rated amperage during defrost. That's maybe 20 minutes twice a day. The compressor and fans will run well under 2 amps combined maybe even close to 1 amp on a modern unit. | ||
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Post# 834242 , Reply# 18 7/28/2015 at 18:55 (3,341 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 834261 , Reply# 19 7/28/2015 at 20:40 (3,341 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND) | ||
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I'm glad they kept their amana.. I know when they need appliances they will be back to purchase from me. Trying to find the right sized fridge took up most of the day lol.
What I don't get is why aren't customers standing up to these companies complaining because they are only getting a few years out of new stuff? Today I had a lady come in and order a GE advantium oven and convection wall oven because she bought a whirlpool black ice microwave oven combo unit and the thing went out. It was two years old... Now she is going to spend $5000 to replace what was just bought, and she's paying more because she doesn't want a combo product. People keep asking me why I'm so obsessed with appliances that I research them and read about them etc. I tell them "because I don't want to spend a ton of money just to have something break on me right away. I also don't want to sell my customers something that will break down right away." | ||
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Post# 834566 , Reply# 21 7/31/2015 at 01:09 (3,339 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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| Post# 834654 , Reply# 22 7/31/2015 at 14:36 (3,339 days old) by PhilR (Quebec Canada) | ||
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Phil is right about the efficiency. I have run a 1998 Bottom-freezer 18 Cu-Ft GE (frost-free of course) on a wattmeter for a while and I doubt any similar size manual defrost or cycle-defrost refrigerator from the 1970s or earlier would beat that.
I should try that on my 1955 CIV-103 Cycla-Matic or my 1969 D-116N as they are the only non-Frost-Proof refrigerators that I have.
The pictures below show the result I have on a watt-meter that has been connected to my 1998 GE Profile fridge in the basement since January 2013. I had set the watt-meter at the 7.5 cents/kWh which was about the rate we paid here at that time. I guess these don't use any electricity when the compressor is off and the "on" time seems to be about 1/3rd of the time (not opened and closed very frequently). It was the most efficient model in it's category according to the EnerGuide sticker that year but that's 17 years ago, I guess the newer ones are even better!
When testing my 1963 Frigidaire 16 cu-ft refrigerator, the defrost timer and condensate dryers were always on on this one so the "On" time reflected the time it was connected. The compressor run time was slightly higher on this one and it used more electricity too, Exactly the same amount for the two years it was connected, $103 per year. Still not that much but not comparable with today's models. And if you live in a state where the electricity rates are about 20 cents a kWh, the amount is much more considerable. This post was last edited 07/31/2015 at 14:59 | ||
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Post# 834669 , Reply# 23 7/31/2015 at 17:08 (3,339 days old) by whirlykenmore78 (Prior Lake MN (GMT-0500 CDT.)) |
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I can't leave out the Flight Dishwasher:
First introduced by Hobart in 1953. These massive machines allowed large volume operators to wash and sanitize dishes much faster and with less manpower than traditional conveyor-rack machines. In this type of DW soiled dishes are loaded onto a conveyor made up of rows of pins like a dishrack. The dishes are then pre-scrapped, washed, rinsed and sanitized before leaving the other end of the machine. These machines can clean up to 16000 dishes per hour. Water is counterflowed from the final rinse through the prewash.
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| Post# 838257 , Reply# 24 8/25/2015 at 18:13 (3,313 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND) | ||
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Moving some stock around :-)
I am willing to bet as the new 'HE' washer evolve they come back with a top mount agitator. Think about it, these machines were the first 'HE' machines. You did the wash for the week for a family of 6 with one tub of soap water and one tub of rinse water. You can't get more efficient than that. I would definately buy one if it had a drop down agitator. | ||
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Post# 838275 , Reply# 25 8/25/2015 at 20:39 (3,313 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 838277 , Reply# 26 8/25/2015 at 20:52 (3,313 days old) by wayupnorth (On a lake between Bangor and Bar Harbor, Maine) |
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There used to be a Maytag dealer in a near by town that the owner kept one of each in his own museum and found the older ones to fill it all out from the beginning till he died. I did see it once and wonder what happened to all those beautiful machines after it closed. He would never sell the Maytags of today.
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Post# 838280 , Reply# 27 8/25/2015 at 21:43 (3,313 days old) by abcomatic (Bradford, Illinois) |
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'Fridge My great aunt bought a brand new Coolerator refrigerator in 1957 with a bottom freezer. She lived in Kenosha, Wisconsin. Who made that brand? | ||
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Post# 838392 , Reply# 28 8/26/2015 at 18:19 (3,312 days old) by polkanut (Wausau, WI ) |
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Gary, | ||
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Post# 838393 , Reply# 29 8/26/2015 at 18:32 (3,312 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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Post# 1197192 , Reply# 30 1/15/2024 at 16:59 (248 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA) |
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GE appliances Update: as of 2016, GE is now owned by Haier. | ||
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