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Thread Number: 62263
/ Tag: Detergents and Additives
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| Post# 848493 10/30/2015 at 00:30 (3,100 days old) by stan (Napa CA) | ||
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Post# 848503 , Reply# 1 10/30/2015 at 05:32 (3,100 days old) by Frigilux  (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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| Post# 848541 , Reply# 3 10/30/2015 at 09:31 (3,100 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
Ideally, I'd avoid detergent with optical brighteners, but these days that's about as easy as not hearing Christmas carols playing in a store during December.
Two factors for me: dark colors, and the suggestion that OBA can irritate my lily white skin. Some have also voiced some concerns about environmental impact. I've used "green" detergents which are OBA free. However, I haven't used these as much recently--these detergents are $$$$ and they aren't as powerful as conventional detergents. (Although, for most of my needs, they are probably good enough. Laundry for me is freshening, not dealing with nightmare stains.) | ||
| Post# 848543 , Reply# 4 10/30/2015 at 09:32 (3,100 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas) | ||
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I've been down this road before. It's very difficult if not impossible to determine for sure which detergents don't contain OBA's. Cheer advertised a few years ago that they didn't have OBA's but then they added them back in all their formulas. Maybe there is something more exotic out there that is OBA free. | ||
| Post# 848545 , Reply# 5 10/30/2015 at 09:34 (3,100 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
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Part of a Seventh Generation comment on OBAs:
Designed to intentionally remain behind on our clothes and linens, optical brighteners rub off on our skin where they can cause a reaction that looks like sunburn. They're no fun for the environment either. Optical brighteners washed down our drains frequently survive wastewater treatment and escape into our lakes, rivers, and streams. Once there, they don't completely biodegrade and instead accumulate in fish.
www.seventhgeneration.com/product... | ||
| Post# 848548 , Reply# 6 10/30/2015 at 09:47 (3,100 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
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>I've been down this road before. It's very difficult if not impossible to determine for sure which detergents don't contain OBA's. Cheer advertised a few years ago that they didn't have OBA's but then they added them back in all their formulas.
I may be remembering a different era, but it seems to me it wasn't "all" detergents, but "almost all." There was IIRC at least one powder formula that stayed OBA free. A quick look indicates that maybe that they still have a powder that's OBA free. www.pgproductsafety.com/productsa... Of course, Cheer isn't alone--other brands that were OBA free (and listed as suggestions for those needing/wanting to avoid OBA) got reformulated. | ||
| Post# 848575 , Reply# 7 10/30/2015 at 11:06 (3,100 days old) by stan (Napa CA) | ||
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Wonder
When OBs were first introduced into laundry detergents?
Use to think the All Free &Clear was OB free, but after a call to the 800 number, was told that all versions include OBs. They manufacture a OB fee one, but it's only sold to the military. Guess the only ones that are truly OB free are Ecos Seventh Generation Plant Bio Clean Maybe...Method? Older versions if Cheer powder (bet their discontinuing it) Country Save Safeway made a line of products called Bright Green? Laundress may know more, and have some history on when and why they decided our laundry need to glow. | ||
| Post# 848579 , Reply# 8 10/30/2015 at 11:22 (3,100 days old) by Iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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| Post# 848632 , Reply# 10 10/30/2015 at 13:54 (3,100 days old) by joeypete (Concord, NH) | ||
Cheer Powder
I have been using it for a while now. Just word of warning...it does foam a lot. I don't use their recommended amount because my laundry room would be full of suds!
Odd thing is on the Cheer website it mentions the liquid as having the colorguard, but not the powder. Even on the box it just says "Stay colorful". I like it and it smells the same as the liquid however the smell doesn't linger like the liquid (which I liked). After I take things out of the dryer you can't even smell it at all. Air dried stuff has a little smell, but still not as strong as the liquid. | ||
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Post# 848633 , Reply# 11 10/30/2015 at 14:05 (3,100 days old) by Supersuds (Knoxville, Tenn.) |
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| Post# 848699 , Reply# 13 10/30/2015 at 17:36 (3,100 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
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>I had meant that it was Cheer that added the OBA's back in all their own detergents rather than all detergents on the market.
>I may be remembering a different era, but it seems to me it wasn't "all" detergents, but "almost all." There was IIRC at least one powder formula that stayed OBA free. Allen, that's how I read it. My response wasn't the best--the point in history I recall, Cheer had quite a line of different products. Almost everything got the OBA, but at least one powder "escaped" It appears from the ingredients I posted above they still have a powder that doesn't have "brightener" mentioned. | ||
| Post# 848702 , Reply# 14 10/30/2015 at 17:42 (3,100 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
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>Just word of warning...it does foam a lot. I don't use their recommended amount because my laundry room would be full of suds!
I have a supply of Cheer powder that I'm almost out of. It's several years old, and it's been slowly used up as secondary detergent. My sample foams, but I think I've seen worse from some versions of Tide. At least, it seems like Cheer rinses reasonably easily. I also tend to use less than the suggested amount. >however the smell doesn't linger like the liquid (which I liked). After I take things out of the dryer you can't even smell it at all. A selling point for me, frankly. I bit of scent can be nice, but so many detergents leave behind so much scent that you smell it on a person's clothes on the opposite end of a large supermarket. | ||
| Post# 848704 , Reply# 15 10/30/2015 at 17:46 (3,100 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
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Safeway made a line of products called Bright Green?
I remember that line. Not sure what the laundry detergent was like--I think I was curious, but never got around to trying it.
One issue: Safeway was bought out, and so it's entirely possible that store products will change in time. Interestingly, in my market, I am seeing a lot of Safeway branded stuff appear at Albertsons (which is owned by the same company). | ||
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Post# 848738 , Reply# 16 10/30/2015 at 20:22 (3,100 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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First laundry detergent/soap with FWA?
Rinso by Lever Bros. introduced in 1947 or 1948, cannot recall when. Later on came Blue White, La France and then many other detergents such as Tide, All, Bold and virtually everyone else added fabric whitening/bluing agents.
Some of the older products such as vintage All "with Bleach Borax and Brighteners) must have used both bluing agents in addition to OBAs. I say this because when a sour is added to the final rinse after using such products one finds the same tell tale "rotten egg" whiff that comes from doing the same when using some types of true bluing. This scent is caused by a chemical reaction of the acid pH to iron found in certain bluing agents. Also some vintage products like All (with the Three B's) leaves laundry noticeably tinted a bluish green. Same shade as some bluing agents. In fact one reason stopped using the vintage All in my stash routinely is that found whites/colours taking on a dull bluish/green tinge that comes from excess use of bluing. In fact when laundry comes out of washer after using All when held in bright light one can see the bluish/green effect quite clearly. Why fabric whitening agents? Because natural fibers such as cotton, linen and even wool aren't white to begin with, but bleached to reach various shades of that "color". However bleaching alone does not remove the often yellow tinge that results so fabric whitening agents are applied at factory to textiles to give them that "whiter than white" effect. In the old days it would have been a type of bluing but not always. If anyone uses or collects vintage linens or comes across something made say before 1930's compare it to modern offerings. You'll notice a difference between a "white" shirt or sheet from back then to something from say the 1950's onwards. That difference is the application of OBAs. The further "why" of OBAs was simple; with modern inventions and perfections of laundry/house cleaning products and appliances in theory Madame's laundry day/housework (or anyone else for that matter) should have been greatly simplified. No such luck. Product makers and their marketing/advertising henchmen went on a binge around the 1950's to convince women that now clean was just not good enough. You had to have a "whiter than white" wash or somehow you were a slovenly housekeeper who let down the team and was endangering your family. Persons go on about bluing as if it was the bees knees. But good housewives, laundresses and anyone else in charge of that department knew a good wash done well needed the stuff nil to none. Again all bluing does is counter the yellowing of fabrics. If things were properly laundered, rinsed and ironed it went a long way to keeping them from yellowing. In fact much of the yellowing you see (under arm stains, center of pillow slips and sheets) is caused by wearing things too long and not washing frequently nor properly. Either way all the bluing in the world won't cover up that mess. What you end up with is a darkly blue stained textile with an obvious yellow area still shining through. *LOL* Sadly at least here in the USA it is very difficult to find laundry detergents, fabric softeners and even starches that do not contain FWAs. The American public overwhelmingly prefers "whiter than white" and "bright" colors that such chemicals give. At least in Europe you can find detergents especially for colors that do not contain bluing agents from P&G, Henkel and other top shelf products. Why don't they do it? Dirty little secret is that for Tide and many other laundry products everything begins with one base formula. From there things are added or omitted depending upon which version is being created. If you pull a MSDS for say Tide liquid detergent you'll see it covers almost every single version including "Free and Gentle". Things are just added or not included depending upon if is "HE" or "Total Care". | ||
| Post# 848745 , Reply# 17 10/30/2015 at 20:39 (3,100 days old) by stan (Napa CA) | ||
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Thank You Dear
for the low down on this.
Rosalies No Suds detergent is suppose to be OB free. Haven't tried it yet. Wonder if in time our rivers lakes and streams will glow in the dark LOL Also wonder when using these detergents containing the OBs, if more OBs are rinsed away with warm rinse options on some machines, or is it engineered to adhere to the fabric no matter what temp is used for rinsing ? | ||
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Post# 848751 , Reply# 18 10/30/2015 at 21:00 (3,100 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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IIRC OBAs do break down
So are not that much of a worry as opposed to say phosphates to the environment. I mean the stuff has been used since the 1950's.....
Good thing about FWAs is that no, they are not long lasting on textiles nor human skin for that matter. If you stop using them on laundry day eventually amounts on fabrics are reduced to near nil levels. That is the reason they are included in so many wash day products. The coatings applied at time of textile production wear/are washed off. | ||
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Post# 848754 , Reply# 19 10/30/2015 at 21:22 (3,100 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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Post# 848887 , Reply# 21 10/31/2015 at 12:44 (3,099 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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It's it's labeled specifically for darks, then it most likely won't contain any OBA.
I understand that NONE of the Woolite products contain OBA's (or enzymes, for that matter). I use the Woolite Darks HE Liquid when I want to preserve the look of a very dark garment.
Most of the time, however, it's more important to me that the fabric be thoroughly cleansed of dirt and oils.
I understand that snipers, military men prefer to use Woolite Darks for their uniforms. It helps them remain camouflaged, especially at night. Apparently many animals can see UV and garments washed with OBA's tend to stick out like red flags. The "Midnight Breeze" scent in Woolite Darks, however, might rule it out for hunters.
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Post# 848908 , Reply# 22 10/31/2015 at 15:43 (3,099 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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Post# 848928 , Reply# 23 10/31/2015 at 17:19 (3,099 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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List may be out dated but:
*The Air Force Uniform and Recognition Programs page states the following detergents are optical brightener free and safe for use with the ABU:
- Cheer (liquid and powder) - Cheer Free - Exchange Select Cold Water Wash - All Detergent Free Clear - Country Save Liquid Detergent - Allens Laundry detergent (power and liquid) - Bi-O-Kleen Laundry Detergent (powder and liquid) - Charlie's Soap (powder and liquid) - ECOS Free and Clear Laundry Detergent - Mountain Green Liquid Laundry Detergent - Nature Clean (liquid and powder) - Oxy-Prime Powder - Planet Ultra (liquid and powder) - Seventh Generation Laundry detergents - Sportwash - Sun and Earth Liquid - Surf Powder (not Surf Liquid) - Washeze - Woolite, original and dark CLICK HERE TO GO TO Launderess's LINK | ||
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Post# 848929 , Reply# 24 10/31/2015 at 17:22 (3,099 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Dreft like so many others does contain OBAs | ||
| Post# 848936 , Reply# 25 10/31/2015 at 17:58 (3,099 days old) by stan (Napa CA) | ||
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As mentioned | ||
| Post# 848937 , Reply# 26 10/31/2015 at 18:04 (3,099 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas) | ||
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As does All Free & Clear Wasn't it the 80's & early 90's that Cheer used to advertise the lack of OBA's in their products? I think they advertised it as the detergent to go to for fade free washing. I remember that. | ||
| Post# 848938 , Reply# 27 10/31/2015 at 18:05 (3,099 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
This just came today... | ||
| Post# 848945 , Reply# 28 10/31/2015 at 18:18 (3,099 days old) by stan (Napa CA) | ||
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| Post# 848947 , Reply# 29 10/31/2015 at 18:20 (3,099 days old) by stan (Napa CA) | ||
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| Post# 848948 , Reply# 30 10/31/2015 at 18:21 (3,099 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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| Post# 848951 , Reply# 31 10/31/2015 at 18:34 (3,099 days old) by stan (Napa CA) | ||
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If it's the | ||
| Post# 848952 , Reply# 32 10/31/2015 at 18:35 (3,099 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
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Just checked the package.
It's all in German. And judging by what's printed on the package, I'm going to say it's a Institutional Formula for Hotels, Bed and Breakfasts, Restaurants etc.
I can purchase from Sysco 50 lb boxes of Tide. I'll tell ya... Tide is great on the floors, cleaning Frialators and everything.
I think the Miele will like it as now he has somebody to converse with. I'll leave the box on the machine and make them a pot of Kaffe. They can have Cawfee Tawk all night.
The scent is no stronger than the Universal Powder I have used in the past. | ||
| Post# 848953 , Reply# 33 10/31/2015 at 18:39 (3,099 days old) by stan (Napa CA) | ||
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Dose it have | ||
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Post# 848955 , Reply# 34 10/31/2015 at 19:03 (3,099 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN) |
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I remember when | ||
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Post# 848964 , Reply# 35 10/31/2015 at 19:27 (3,099 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Just as P&G does with Tide
Both Unilever and Henkel have "professional" or "institutional" versions of Persil. In fact you see the same on both sides of the Pond with other detergents such as Wisk, Ariel and so forth.
In most instances the formulas are pretty much the same but may have slight variations. P&G for instance has some versions of professional Tide (such as their Pro-Line) that smell nothing like the stuff sold in supermarkets. Other changes might be more direct. For instance you can find versions of Persil from both Unilever and Henkel marked "hygiene". These versions are meant to compete with true professional detergents sold for use by hospital/healthcare laundries and or those who do such linen. Usually the main difference in these formulas is they contain a higher level of oxygen bleaching agents along with TAED (bleach activator). This produces a detergent with strong bleaching action that will also render linen sanitary to meet certain established European guidelines. Laundry routinely contaminated by bodily fluids such as feces would need such a detergent. Of course the other main difference in these professional laundry products is the packaging size and perhaps concentration. Leaving aside small OPL most places purchase laundry products in vastly larger amounts than domestic. When you are doing hundreds of pounds of washing a week (or day) you aren't going to mess about with small packets. Concentration may be stronger because again commercial/professional washers are usually larger than domestic. Twenty pounds would be "small" going up to 100 (or more). To Stan: No, the "forks and knives" pictured on front of box does not mean the product can be used to wash dishes. The use of images for consumer products especially laundry to denote usages and or directions has become quite common on both sides of the Atlantic. There are several reasons for this but the main one is literacy. Instead of having to write things out in several languages you just indicate with an image. From top to bottom on the Persil box: Fork and knife along with plate - hospitality/restaurant linen Patient in bed tended by a nurse (notice the little *cap* on the figure's head) - healthcare linen. Chef's hat with spoon - Kitchen laundry/linen Person sleeping in bed - Hotel linen Brush and shaver (?) - Beauty/barber shop linen Folded towels - Spa, health club, gym linen (which is mainly towels. | ||
| Post# 848969 , Reply# 36 10/31/2015 at 20:12 (3,099 days old) by LordKenmore (The Laundry Room) | ||
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gym linen (which is mainly towels. | ||
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Post# 848971 , Reply# 37 10/31/2015 at 20:34 (3,099 days old) by Frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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| Post# 848978 , Reply# 38 10/31/2015 at 20:49 (3,099 days old) by stan (Napa CA) | ||
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It's a good thing | ||
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Post# 848979 , Reply# 39 10/31/2015 at 20:49 (3,099 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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@LordKenmore
I says it again; you is bad! *LOL*
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| Post# 849906 , Reply# 40 11/5/2015 at 08:59 (3,094 days old) by liberatordeluxe (UK) | ||
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I use Simply Sensitive or Pure because it is highly concentrated and optical brightener free. I use it for underwear, towels and bedding. Is available in Tesco's and Sainsburys UK. | ||
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