Thread Number: 62860
/ Tag: Vintage Automatic Washers
Maytag A207 starting problem? |
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Post# 854311 , Reply# 1   11/30/2015 at 05:19 (3,070 days old) by akronman (Akron/Cleveland Ohio)   |   | |
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Post# 854323 , Reply# 2   11/30/2015 at 09:02 (3,070 days old) by Dustin92 (Jackson, MI)   |   | |
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I haven't done anything with the belts or motor glides, though the belts are genuine Maytag and appear to be in good condition. How would I inspect or lube the motor glides? Looked at them when I got the washer but can't see how to get to them. |
Post# 854331 , Reply# 3   11/30/2015 at 10:30 (3,069 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 854347 , Reply# 4   11/30/2015 at 13:05 (3,069 days old) by delaneymeegan (Midwest)   |   | |
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Adequate electric wiring is crucial for all the appliances you apparently have plugged into the SAME circuit.
Each should be on it's own dedicated circuit. Microwaves draw a lot of electricity and should be plugged into a 20 amp outlet by itself. Televisions, especially the older style, should not have to compete with major appliances as those constant surges can damage the TV. A typical 15 Amp circuit is fine. The Maytag motor starts at least 4 times during a cycle. At start up there is a split second draw of electricity that can be up to 4 times the wattage of what the appliance draws when fully operating. If it has to compete with other appliances, it won't start, will overheat, could damage the motor, and will continue to fry your wiring and blow fuses. A 15 Amp circuit is fine, AS LONG as there are no other appliances on the same circuit. Do you seriously have fuses? Like screw-in type, 1950s fuses? Cuz, I love that. I need to see a picture, please. Is the washer plugged into a 2 prong outlet using an adapter? I need to see a picture of that, too please. |
Post# 854368 , Reply# 6   11/30/2015 at 15:36 (3,069 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Even if the glide isn't in perfect operation the washer should still in theory agitate with ease. More than likely the oil in the transmission has become thick and gooey which will become a common issue as the 60's and 70's Maytags that are in operation age. The old oil not only causes the gears to bind but the top agitator shaft can bind in the upper housing due to a lack of good lubrication as the oil no longer splashes up to keep the upper bearings wet. The typical symptom is very slow agitation when the machine has sat without use for a day or so and often times after a few minutes of agitation the speed will increase close to normal.
I've included a video below that will walk through rebuilding the motor glide with the 205000 kit. The kit will include four new square glides and enough poly lube to do the job. Otherwise, if the slow agitation issue persists you may need to determine if the washer is worth a transmission rebuild or not. There are several threads here in AW that walk through the rebuild process quite nicely.
Good luck!
Ben CLICK HERE TO GO TO swestoyz's LINK |
Post# 854509 , Reply# 7   12/1/2015 at 07:23 (3,069 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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And old oil are often problems in the older style MT helical drive washer transmissions, often too a little water gets past the top water seals and can even size the agitator shaft in the top transmission bearings. This and completely worn out damper assemblies [ down to the metal ] are the two most frequent reasons that our customers give up on their MT washers.
I always thought it might be an interesting experiment to drill a hole in the side of a MT pit-man style transmission and change the oil to some much better new oil and leave the washer on its side for a few days or longer so the oil could get into the top bearing area and see if this would revive an old transmission. The drilled hole in the aluminum transmission case could easily be tapped and plugged to seal the oil in after it was changed.
This might be a good experiment for one of the MT fans in the group.
PS Hi Dustin, When these two belt MT helical drive washers have problems starting it is easy to add a motor start capacitor in the start winding circuit. MT was too cheap to include a capacitor as standard equipment but always offered one as an accessory when customers had starting and fuse blowing problems with their washers.
John L. |
Post# 854539 , Reply# 9   12/1/2015 at 12:04 (3,068 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)   |   | |
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Dustin -
I certainly hope the issue is solely the motor. I will mention that I've seen several low use or even an NOS 60's Maytag that was never used where the oil turned to sludge. Low use doesn't necessarily mean that the oil will be perfect. Often times it actually can do the opposite and breakdown over time from non-use.
If you want to isolate the issue to just the motor, you can remove the drive belt and push the motor forward a bit so the shaft doesn't drag on the base plate. Start the washer up and if the motor continues to act similarly then you know you have a motor issue. Otherwise, during spin the belts are designed to slip enough during take-off AND the motor should pull forward (towards the rear of the machine) on the glide enough that the centrifugal start switch should instantly be satisfied enough to switch over to the run side of the motor.
Ben |
Post# 854600 , Reply# 11   12/1/2015 at 16:11 (3,068 days old) by delaneymeegan (Midwest)   |   | |
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It could be the motor was shot even before you got it. I would love to see the old wiring- outlets, fuse box(s), knob and tube wiring, etc. I love that stuff, for the same reason I like old appliances. |
Post# 854682 , Reply# 15   12/2/2015 at 10:25 (3,067 days old) by alr2903 (TN)   |   | |
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I hope you get it sorted out and repaired. I let mine go too long and it seized up. I loved to hear it washing. -A |
Post# 854713 , Reply# 17   12/2/2015 at 13:48 (3,067 days old) by Dustin92 (Jackson, MI)   |   | |
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I could try running it to another circuit temporarily, and see if that improves things. It's currently running on old 1950's wiring, a circuit likely 15 amps or less. There is a modern 20 amp circuit in the kitchen I can run a cord to. |
Post# 854718 , Reply# 18   12/2/2015 at 14:41 (3,067 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)   |   | |
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Post# 854719 , Reply# 19   12/2/2015 at 14:41 (3,067 days old) by LaVidaBoem ()   |   | |
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Sounds Great!! Never Give IN, Never give UP,...you will triumph!! Good Luck, LaVidaBoem |
Post# 854755 , Reply# 21   12/2/2015 at 19:41 (3,067 days old) by kb0nes (Burnsville, MN)   |   | |
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No doubt that digital meters make following trends more difficult, but your generalization isn't really fair.
I bought my first DMM in 1981 (Fluke 77) I now have 4 others along with it (all flukes, all digital). With the exception of my HP distortion analyzer, and some RF bench instruments, I don't own any analog meters anymore and I don't miss them. Half decent DMM's today have much faster response and even the inexpensive models have a responsive bargraph to watch trends. And in fact, all but my oldest DMM will do a Minimum/Maximum recording (something analog won't do). For this application you plug in the meter, start the motor then read the minimum voltage, slick!! It works really well for testing cranking voltage on vehicles too. In short any meter will troubleshoot Dustin's line voltage under starting load, he has a second or two after all. |
Post# 854763 , Reply# 23   12/2/2015 at 20:34 (3,067 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 854773 , Reply# 25   12/2/2015 at 21:52 (3,067 days old) by Dustin92 (Jackson, MI)   |   | |
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With instructions I'm pretty sure I can wire in a capacitor, it's just wired in line with the start winding, right? If someone could put me in the right direction of what capacitor I need to use and what wire it needs to be wired into, I think I could manage that. |
Post# 854820 , Reply# 27   12/3/2015 at 07:28 (3,067 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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I said that MT offered an service capacitor kit for this and ANY MT DC two belt washer that did not originally come with one just for SITUATIONS like this.
It is very hard to cure a slightly low voltage problem like this in a home, you all can debate about bad outlets, wiring loading of circuits all month long but none of it will make any real difference.
I have been dealing with problems like this every working day in peoples homes for around 40 years now.
You can simply use the motor start capacitor from any WP built DD washer for instance, it will not harm the motor or the start winding, you could even wire in two capacitors in parallel with each other for an extra kick.
To wire in the capacitor you remove the wire at the motor going to the start winding and plug it on one of the terminals of the SC then take another piece of wire and go from the other terminal of the SC and back to the motor.
Dustin, you can always contact me if you have any questions, John L. |
Post# 854822 , Reply# 28   12/3/2015 at 07:38 (3,067 days old) by alr2903 (TN)   |   | |
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John, would a "start capacitor" help? |
Post# 855284 , Reply# 30   12/6/2015 at 07:23 (3,064 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))   |   | |
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Did you say FUSE? Well there's your problem. That house was wired for appliances that use roughly 1/3 the amps houses are now wired for.
Microwaves and color TVs hadn't been invented yet. EVERYthing about that wiring-- except for radios, lamps and fans-- is marginal. Keep your fire extinguishers and smoke alarm batteries up to date! Tune up the washer, and don't run anything else at the same time. Ideally, consult an electrician about bringing the high-load areas of the house like laundry and kitchen up to code. You CANNOT do this yourself without invalidating your homeowner's insurance. |
Post# 855314 , Reply# 32   12/6/2015 at 11:09 (3,063 days old) by cuffs054 (MONTICELLO, GA)   |   | |
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Given the choice I too think fuses are safer. |
Post# 855442 , Reply# 34   12/6/2015 at 21:51 (3,063 days old) by alr2903 (TN)   |   | |
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Seriously, is a start capacitor the thing they sometimes wire into a refrigerator compressor to make it last a while longer? Art |
Post# 855510 , Reply# 35   12/7/2015 at 07:25 (3,063 days old) by arbilab (Ft Worth TX (Ridglea))   |   | |
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There is nothing inherently wrong with fuses. Other than blowing one when you have no spares, and as above, the enduser installing the wrong value.
But the transition from fuses to breakers was a very significant breakpoint in how the electrical code dealt with distribution of much higher loads much more representative of today's demands upon home wiring. BTW, operating a microwave on a socket that is not 'really' grounded is extremely hazardous. |
Post# 855511 , Reply# 36   12/7/2015 at 07:26 (3,063 days old) by combo52 (50 Year Repair Tech Beltsville,Md)   |   | |
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Post# 855622 , Reply# 39   12/8/2015 at 00:47 (3,062 days old) by askolover (South of Nash Vegas, TN)   |   | |
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"I remember when I was a kid, the family around the block had a refrigerator with hot chassis. When you were hanging out in their kitchen, you learned rather quickly not to hold the handle on the refrigerator and the kitchen faucet at the same time. Nobody died. "
Before I was a nurse I worked with electricity. When daddy built his new music studio I wired the electrical panel for him. I personally think fuses are safer too. My paternal grandfather had a breaker panel that was installed in his house when it was built. One of the breakers stuck and his AC/Furnace package unit burned up! My dad refuses to upgrade their fuse panel to breakers...he built the house in '68. My house was built in '56 with fuses. At the time, EVERYTHING was electric and at some point the owners overloaded everything causing some melted wires at the panel. The owner at some point in time worked for the gas company and he removed every major electricity consuming appliance and replaced them with gas, except for the AC. So now, this house's largest power consumer is still the AC...and that circuit never gets warm. |